College Basketball - FBI investigation

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It will be interesting to follow with the FBI involved. If this were just an NCAA investigation a slap on the wrist might have followed.
 

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Noon press conference today. This will be interesting.
 

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USC's 2018 class is ranked number 2 on 247. Wonder how that happened.
 

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Who else did a Ctrl+F for "calipari" as soon as they opened the article?
 

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USC's 2018 class is ranked number 2 on 247. Wonder how that happened.

Have they just never tried at basketball? I get that UCLA is the LA bball school, but you'd think that SC could at least get some guys and be competitive.
 

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Rick Pitino literally bragged about having to spend zero dollars to get Brian Bowen when he actually paid 100K behind the scenes. <a href="https://t.co/Zn4z6MxuuQ">pic.twitter.com/Zn4z6MxuuQ</a></p>— Eric Fawcett (@Efawcett7) <a href="https://twitter.com/Efawcett7/status/912686651662417922">September 26, 2017</a></blockquote>
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Who else did a Ctrl+F for "calipari" as soon as they opened the article?

Calipari will get out of Dodge right before the posse gets there like he did at UMass and Memphis.

But in reality, Calipari is probably a choir boy compared to Rupp.
 

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Adidas getting thrown around while the arrests so far are at 3 Nike schools and 1 UA school.

Louisville (Adidas) getting Brian Bowen from La Lumiere out of the blue smelled like Papa cash getting thrown at him. Don't mess with Papa Uncle Sam, his Ivy League lawyers will gut your public school products.

My what a big strong government we have. We let the shoe companies pay the HC's millions and millions but if any of that money gets to a player, OH MY! Someone is breaking the law. Apparently the NCAA is the new law of the land.

Is the FBI saying by paying a good player to go to one school, it defrauds other schools? And since many of those schools are government institutions you are defrauding government?

Whatever. Government needs to go fix the Florida, Texas, and the US territories in the Caribbean. Give all these bad azz Dick Tracy's a shovel and put them to work doing something positive for the country. They are defrauding tax payers out of our money wasting time investigating the NCAA's rules.
 
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I realize how broken I am when stuff like this instinctively makes me this happy....
 

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I dont think Calipari needs to do this anymore right. They come to him because they know he gets them to the league and doesnt mess with education.
 

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Arizona was another team cited, they are currently number 1 on 247.

There has been a lot of smoke in the basketball national recruiting scene, that there has been weird stuff going on at Arizona for Sean Miller's whole tenure. A lot of it could be rumors or hearsay, but this isn't surprising to me.
 

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Adidas getting thrown around while the arrests so far are at 3 Nike schools and 1 UA school.

Louisville (Adidas) getting Brian Bowen from La Lumiere out of the blue smelled like Papa cash getting thrown at him. Don't mess with Papa Uncle Sam, his Ivy League lawyers will gut your public school products.

My what a big strong government we have. We let the shoe companies pay the HC's millions and millions but if any of that money gets to a player, OH MY! Someone is breaking the law. Apparently the NCAA is the new law of the land.

Is the FBI saying by paying a good player to go to one school, it defrauds other schools? And since many of those schools are government institutions you are defrauding government?

Whatever. Government needs to go fix the Florida, Texas, and the US territories in the Caribbean. Give all these bad azz Dick Tracy's a shovel and put them to work doing something positive for the country. They are defrauding tax payers out of our money wasting time investigating the NCAA's rules.

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Odd to me the FBI is doing the NCAA's job. How is this anything more than tax evasion in the eyes of the feds? At the same point, somebody needs to do the NCAA's job b/c they sure as hell won't (cough, UNC, cough).

10 small fish taken in with deals to fry bigger fish on the table in front of them. Some serious puckering is going on in some HC offices right now. Fed = jail time, not a cute fine and early retirement or move to another school or something to miss the mess you left behind.
 

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Who else did a Ctrl+F for "calipari" as soon as they opened the article?

I looked for Pitino first... and was rewarded!

Dude is 100% scum, and even worse than Calipari right now.

Calipari will get out of Dodge right before the posse gets there like he did at UMass and Memphis.

But in reality, Calipari is probably a choir boy compared to Rupp.

Calipari won't get hit with anything major at UK. He doesn't need to do it.

Aside from some small-timey stuff that I've heard about that doesn't draw any solid connections to UK besides "oh wow what a coincidence," the sure-fire NBA future is the only tool he needs. That wasn't the case at UMass and Memphis.

I dont think Calipari needs to do this anymore right. They come to him because they know he gets them to the league and doesnt mess with education.

Yup. He doesn't need to encourage forging names on ACTs or find agents for kids before they're on campus anymore.
 

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Odd to me the FBI is doing the NCAA's job. How is this anything more than tax evasion in the eyes of the feds? At the same point, somebody needs to do the NCAA's job b/c they sure as hell won't (cough, UNC, cough).

10 small fish taken in with deals to fry bigger fish on the table in front of them. Some serious puckering is going on in some HC offices right now. Fed = jail time, not a cute fine and early retirement or move to another school or something to miss the mess you left behind.

Well, it started out as securities fraud, than one person opened his mouth to lessen his charges. Bribery and wire fraud then ensues. From the articles thus far, sounds like they fell into this, rather than setting out to do it.
 

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Odd to me the FBI is doing the NCAA's job. How is this anything more than tax evasion in the eyes of the feds? At the same point, somebody needs to do the NCAA's job b/c they sure as hell won't (cough, UNC, cough).

10 small fish taken in with deals to fry bigger fish on the table in front of them. Some serious puckering is going on in some HC offices right now. Fed = jail time, not a cute fine and early retirement or move to another school or something to miss the mess you left behind.

I think every major violation that has stuck in the past few decades involved depositions as part of a civil trial or federal charges.

The NCAA can't get anyone because all you have to do is stonewall as they have no legal subpoena power. Which is what makes Notre Dame's insane approach to the Frozen Five even more laughable.
 

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Well, it started out as securities fraud, than one person opened his mouth to lessen his charges. Bribery and wire fraud then ensues. From the articles thus far, sounds like they fell into this, rather than setting out to do it.

Yes - get it now. Have not read too deeply into it but was keying on the exploiting their influence or whatever garbage they were talking about that wasn't much more than referral fees undisclosed. Dumbed it down to unreported income when reality is more based in Anti-Money Laundering laws of which I should really be more in tune with. Also one man's referral fee is another man's bribe.
 

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I looked for Pitino first... and was rewarded!

Dude is 100% scum, and even worse than Calipari right now.



Calipari won't get hit with anything major at UK. He doesn't need to do it.

Aside from some small-timey stuff that I've heard about that doesn't draw any solid connections to UK besides "oh wow what a coincidence," the sure-fire NBA future is the only tool he needs. That wasn't the case at UMass and Memphis.



Yup. He doesn't need to encourage forging names on ACTs or find agents for kids before they're on campus anymore.

The 30 for 30 on Rick Pitino is gonna be wild...
 

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I, for one, am absolutely shocked that Louisville may be involved in this FBI sting.</p>— Robert Mays (@robertmays) <a href="https://twitter.com/robertmays/status/912714097631821824">September 26, 2017</a></blockquote>
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Yes - get it now. Have not read too deeply into it but was keying on the exploiting their influence or whatever garbage they were talking about that wasn't much more than referral fees undisclosed. Dumbed it down to unreported income when reality is more based in Anti-Money Laundering laws of which I should really be more in tune with. Also one man's referral fee is another man's bribe.

If you get time, read the complaint. This quote is priceless from the Addidas dude....

" you guys are being introduced to...how stuff happens with kids and getting into particular schools and so this is kind of one of those instances where we needed to step up and help one of our flagship schools (UL), you know, secure a five star caliber kid. Obviously, that helps our potential business." Followed up by....."not engaging in a monetary relationship with an amateur athlete, we're engaging in a monetary relationship with a business manager, and whatever he decides to do with it, is up to him and the family."
 

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Investigation was covert until this morning. NCAA was not aware.</p>— Seth Davis (@SethDavisHoops) <a href="https://twitter.com/SethDavisHoops/status/912717090192203776">September 26, 2017</a></blockquote>
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Lol they didn't even know.
 

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">And here's the kicker. FBI rep to others in CBB operating this way: "We have your playbook. Our investigation is ongoing..."</p>— Pat Forde (@YahooForde) <a href="https://twitter.com/YahooForde/status/912716427261509632">September 26, 2017</a></blockquote>
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If you get time, read the complaint. This quote is priceless from the Addidas dude....

" you guys are being introduced to...how stuff happens with kids and getting into particular schools and so this is kind of one of those instances where we needed to step up and help one of our flagship schools (UL), you know, secure a five star caliber kid. Obviously, that helps our potential business." Followed up by....."not engaging in a monetary relationship with an amateur athlete, we're engaging in a monetary relationship with a business manager, and whatever he decides to do with it, is up to him and the family."

I thought the NCAA let Cam Newton and Auburn off because the money went to a family member(dad) and the player (Cam) was unaware. Sounds similar here.
 
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