College Athletics Branding - Name Image Likeness Rules
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T Town Tommy
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Alabama Reaches Unique NIL Deal With Sports Marketing Giant - Sports Illustrated
The 15-year agreement will create a hub for NIL activity inside Bryant Denny Stadium.
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Notre Dame needs to find a partner and follow suit.
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Since these are real dollar payouts that ultimately get "done", there are enough schools with crazy alumni and greedy administrations to buy whole teams of players every year. If your team does not do this, then some of those teams are going to kick your ass every year. Plus, all such teams will be reloaded every year via High School or Portal purchasing.
I don't see any way to stop this separation of the money-gushers from the rest of college football. The only thing that I can imagine happening (other than some outside agency like a combo of NCAA and most University Presidents making drastic and courageous rules --- which will be challenged in court), would be if prospective players can get the money-gushers into serious bidding wars --- I mean multi-million dollar price tags --- so that even they cannot buy whole teams. This would toss the situation into a rough analogy of the NFL, where ultimately money availability runs short even for them. I also wonder what a Salary Cap on college teams would look like.
Also, this sounds like the "Who the Hell ever needs High School?" scenario. What in the world (other than education laws) would ever stop a huge number of potential pro/college (no difference now) athletes from only being parts of Pro-Prep teams without even the illusion of attending school? It is my out-of-date belief that going to school markedly helps certain people with Life and social-integrating skills and a touch of reality. .... but who the hell cares, I guess. Hey, baby, it's MONEY.
I don't see any way to stop this separation of the money-gushers from the rest of college football. The only thing that I can imagine happening (other than some outside agency like a combo of NCAA and most University Presidents making drastic and courageous rules --- which will be challenged in court), would be if prospective players can get the money-gushers into serious bidding wars --- I mean multi-million dollar price tags --- so that even they cannot buy whole teams. This would toss the situation into a rough analogy of the NFL, where ultimately money availability runs short even for them. I also wonder what a Salary Cap on college teams would look like.
Also, this sounds like the "Who the Hell ever needs High School?" scenario. What in the world (other than education laws) would ever stop a huge number of potential pro/college (no difference now) athletes from only being parts of Pro-Prep teams without even the illusion of attending school? It is my out-of-date belief that going to school markedly helps certain people with Life and social-integrating skills and a touch of reality. .... but who the hell cares, I guess. Hey, baby, it's MONEY.
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Seems like it's trending that direction. First EEing became way more common, now reclassifying is happening more and more often.
We have examples of what this could look like.
MLS teams have been running academies for....I wanna say a decade. European soccer clubs have been doing it for decades. Here is an article about how it works.
Where MLS academies are in 2021 – and how they're fueling Canada, USA ambitions | MLSSoccer.com
There are only eight countries to have ever won the World Cup. Every single one of them had two things in common: 1. They had a well-supported domestic league, and 2. That domestic league churned out talent for the national team. Forget about winning the World Cup: If you even
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Consider this, the NCAA college athletics system is built on the foundation that a college education is fair compensation for the athlete. We know that for the vast majority of college athletes this is a great deal. But for a significant number of athletes, this is a poor deal. The amount of money their work generates far outstrips the cost of an education. Compound that onto the reality that the NCAA has severely restrict or prohibited from developing revenue streams and it's not hard to see the appeal of "who the hell needs school". Especially when school will always be there, the ability to play high level sports won't (unless you are a freak like Brady, Lebron, or Kareem).
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I'm talking mainly about skipping high school.
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The funny thing is the trend is almost the opposite.
More and more elite football recruits are coming out of prep/private/Catholic schools that offer better coaching/facilities than your typical public high school will in many parts of the country. They also tend to offer anywhere from better-than-average to elite academics. With a price tag to match. (I realize many of these elite athletes aren't paying full tuition but someone's writing the check, and they do tend to value education or why would they be involved with these schools in the first place?).
Maybe something like the European club soccer model could work in American football but why would they bother when the careers are so short and you don't have anywhere near the broad demand for players at the professional level, just 32 teams in the market for 52 guys apiece. It's not worth the investment. Especially when you have college football to develop players for you.
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How does IMG's academics rank?
Am I crazy for trying to work some NIL deal with Little Debbie for my local youth FB team? lol
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IDK if y'all know of this twitter acct, but ND's FUND has one and they often RT stuff from players doing who're doing their volunteer work.
Here's stuff from Fisher and Correll from today.
Here's stuff from Fisher and Correll from today.
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Looks like Joe Alt went with them too. Way to go, Big'uns.
I know they are getting compensated, but I hope this helps inspire all the players to a life of consistently volunteering to help, enrich, provide for, etc., the communities they are a part of.
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I don't have the premium so I can't give the whole story, but we got some guys doing NIL deals with a church haha.
Here's an NIL deal with a church looks like:
A church in Indiana is going to bring in athletes to sign autographs at a service. I talked to the folks who made it happen:
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Clemson tampering confirmed
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I’m getting ads for FSU’s collective on IE
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Keep clicking on them and exhausted their PPC budget, haha.
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Any word on congressional legislation these days? This is just ridiculous.
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"Someone with one of the best corners in the nation (in high school) came to me and asked if we’d pay them $800,000 for the player to sign here. I told him he can find another place to play.......I’m not paying a kid a bunch of NIL money before he earns it."
"One of them wanted $500,000 and for us to get his girlfriend into law school at Alabama and pay for it. I showed him the door." Saban reportedly said."
Alabama's Nick Saban rejected 2 players who were searching for $1.3 million combined in NIL money: report | Fox News
The Alabama Crimson Tide football team lost a top recruit and a starter due to hefty requests for NIL money, head coach Nick Saban reportedly said.
"Someone with one of the best corners in the nation (in high school) came to me and asked if we’d pay them $800,000 for the player to sign here. I told him he can find another place to play.......I’m not paying a kid a bunch of NIL money before he earns it."
"One of them wanted $500,000 and for us to get his girlfriend into law school at Alabama and pay for it. I showed him the door." Saban reportedly said."
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I'm glad that was Saban's response. This sort of nonsense has gotten out of hand. This is NOT what NIL was supposed to be.Any word on congressional legislation these days? This is just ridiculous.
Alabama's Nick Saban rejected 2 players who were searching for $1.3 million combined in NIL money: report | Fox News
The Alabama Crimson Tide football team lost a top recruit and a starter due to hefty requests for NIL money, head coach Nick Saban reportedly said.
"Someone with one of the best corners in the nation (in high school) came to me and asked if we’d pay them $800,000 for the player to sign here. I told him he can find another place to play.......I’m not paying a kid a bunch of NIL money before he earns it."
"One of them wanted $500,000 and for us to get his girlfriend into law school at Alabama and pay for it. I showed him the door." Saban reportedly said."
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Any word on congressional legislation these days? This is just ridiculous.
Alabama's Nick Saban rejected 2 players who were searching for $1.3 million combined in NIL money: report | Fox News
The Alabama Crimson Tide football team lost a top recruit and a starter due to hefty requests for NIL money, head coach Nick Saban reportedly said.
"Someone with one of the best corners in the nation (in high school) came to me and asked if we’d pay them $800,000 for the player to sign here. I told him he can find another place to play.......I’m not paying a kid a bunch of NIL money before he earns it."
"One of them wanted $500,000 and for us to get his girlfriend into law school at Alabama and pay for it. I showed him the door." Saban reportedly said."
Good.
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Jamie and Greg have some good points
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When the king of CFB does this, it has to resonate down the line.Any word on congressional legislation these days? This is just ridiculous.
Alabama's Nick Saban rejected 2 players who were searching for $1.3 million combined in NIL money: report | Fox News
The Alabama Crimson Tide football team lost a top recruit and a starter due to hefty requests for NIL money, head coach Nick Saban reportedly said.
"Someone with one of the best corners in the nation (in high school) came to me and asked if we’d pay them $800,000 for the player to sign here. I told him he can find another place to play.......I’m not paying a kid a bunch of NIL money before he earns it."
"One of them wanted $500,000 and for us to get his girlfriend into law school at Alabama and pay for it. I showed him the door." Saban reportedly said."
The end result of the Jaden Rashada recruit should also send a message to recruits. He gets demanding with his $13.85M deal and ends up at ASU with no NIL deal.
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I am glad this blew up in his and his families face. But he is still getting publicity because of it. Hopefully the negative side of this opens some kids eyes.
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The problem is, the king of CFB is lying. Everyone knows and admits it's a problem and pretend they don't do it, but they all do it.
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This is really interesting, and I'd argue that a deeper dive into positional value would probably trend towards the following rules of thumb:
1. Established players in the portal are worth a LOT more than HS recruits. They are short term vs long term solutions, but unbelievably impactful for 1-2 years if handled correctly. The bust rate on HS prospects will be as bad or worse than the NFL, and the salary numbers are out-of-whack when comparing players on second contracts in the NFL to what are essentially draft picks.
2. RBs will have more value in CFB than they do in the NFL. The NFL only has 32 teams and the dropoff in talent from RB1 to RB32 isn't steep when you have guys that are able to play 5+ years. The dropoff from Bijan Robinson/Blake Corum to the guys ranked in the 30s per PFF is massive. You're talking about guys who are either super productive or top NFL draft prospects to guys that won't even sign UDFA deals.
When managing a roster, you likely want to allocate booster funds as follows:
1. QB. Spend whatever it takes to get "the guy."
2. Leftover money is best spent on skill players and linemen. Established linemen are better than prospects.
3. It's going to be very hard to spend your way into an elite defense because you need 11 guys without glaring holes, whereas on offense 2-3 top skill players is all you need. Try to recruit athletes/projects on that side of the ball without over-spending. If you are going to spend, do it on DL.