BVG Fired

[irishff1014]

something to consider---BK has NEVER fired any assistants while at ND

It's either shit of get off the pot.

 

[Irish#1]

So after looking at it more and more I think we should go hard after Mike Tressel from Michigan State. Co-DC making only $400k/year. Offer $1mil/year and promotion and he'd probably take it... have him run the Dantonio/Narduzzi Cover 3 as the base defense and call it a day.

I think we should hire Dantonia and his entire staff.

 

[ulukinatme]

I think we should hire Dantonia and his entire staff.

 

[connor_in]

I think we should hire Dantonia and his entire staff.

I don't think calling him Dantonia instead of Dantonio is a good first step. He likes to play the disrespect card a lot at MSU, ask the scUM douchnozzles.

 

[BeauBenken]

something to consider---BK has NEVER fired any assistants while at ND

I'm not sure that's all that absurd. To publicly fire someone is to admit there is something wrong with your program, and I'd say about 90% of the time that does not end well.

 

[Henges24]

I haven't noticed any of the players really stand up for VanGorder. That alone is concerning.

 

[ulukinatme]

I'm not sure that's all that absurd. To publicly fire someone is to admit there is something wrong with your program, and I'd say about 90% of the time that does not end well.

Wonder if BK just sticks it out for the season, hopes BVG "gets an offer" (At Kelly's urging), and if he doesn't get hired they just decide not to renew his contract?

And by not renew his contract, I mean they tear it up behind the scenes if he had any remaining years on there.

 

[Henges24]

Wonder if BK just sticks it out for the season, hopes BVG "gets an offer" (At Kelly's urging), and if he doesn't get hired they just decide not to renew his contract?

And by not renew his contract, I mean they tear it up behind the scenes if he had any remaining years on there.

Does MVG scholarship get torn up too?

 

[Ndaccountant]

Wonder if BK just sticks it out for the season, hopes BVG "gets an offer" (At Kelly's urging), and if he doesn't get hired they just decide not to renew his contract?

And by not renew his contract, I mean they tear it up behind the scenes if he had any remaining years on there.

 

[Rack Em]

Prevent defense? How about... BLITZ IN THE FACE

Fucking love this guy!

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[Pops Freshenmeyer]

I'm not sure that's all that absurd. To publicly fire someone is to admit there is something wrong with your program, and I'd say about 90% of the time that does not end well.

Yes. If you're convinced he isn't the man for the job then you start taking away responsibilities.

 

[dang227]

I see BVG leaving "on his own" for a NFL LB job after the season.


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[phgreek]

I'm not sure that's all that absurd. To publicly fire someone is to admit there is something wrong with your program, and I'd say about 90% of the time that does not end well.

Yea...thats usually the step before you go yourself. There was a "three letters" joke out there that kind covers it.

I think BK and BVG know the reality, and they are trying to get him something he can hang his hat on so he can leave for another job. I thnk the rest of the guys on D are looking for jobs as well. Sad thing is, I like Gilmore...

 

[koonja]

I really don't want to wait until the end of the season where we then have to scrammble to hire and save recruits. Open it after Stanford at the latest, have an interim, and do a good 2+ month search. You can't say who's interested until it's open.

 

[stlnd01]

Wonder if BK just sticks it out for the season, hopes BVG "gets an offer" (At Kelly's urging), and if he doesn't get hired they just decide not to renew his contract?

And by not renew his contract, I mean they tear it up behind the scenes if he had any remaining years on there.

That's basically what happened with Charley Molnar, right? Got a golden parachute into a program desperate enough to hire him as an HC. That went well. Last I saw the guy was coaching WRs at Idaho.
Thing is, no FBS program, not even UMass, is going to hire BVG as a head. And I'm not sure Kelly can wait all season on this.

 

[stlnd01]

I see BVG leaving "on his own" for a NFL LB job after the season.


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Makes sense. He's probably better suited for the Sunday game.

 

[philipm31]

Completely different competition level.

And, frankly, I don't get the meaning of the post?

ND "changes coaches for better or worse?"

What does that mean?

At the very least, ND needs to be searching for replacements for Kelly, because he is not going to be here for another 5 years, after this year. Nobody has made it longer than 10 years at ND.

So, people need to start looking for replacements, because BK is not going to be around forever, anyway. Whether you want him fired or not, the reality is that ND will need to have their eyes open anyway.

I am sure Jack knows this. I am sure that even Kelly knows this, as well.

 

[philipm31]

I think there is coachspeak and then there is delusion. I think he actually may be delusional.

He clearly is.

The defense is atrocious. Has been ever since BVG took the reigns.

The fact that BK does not realize this is beyond the pale.

 

[rocket66]

If BK is forced to fire his first assistant during his time at ND I wonder how much longer he sticks around. This is the first time he's experienced such negative backlash on the job and I could see it pissing him off and him bailing.


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[zelezo vlk]

If BK is forced to fire his first assistant during his time at ND I wonder how much longer he sticks around. This is the first time he's experienced such negative backlash on the job and I could see it pissing him off and him bailing.


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I don't know if Kelly is that stubborn. He has to see that the defense is holding the team back.

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[NDgradstudent]

The "recruiting gap" (caused by academic restrictions, or whatever) argument is dubious. A few points about it:

(1) It can only possibly explain the losses to clearly more talented teams, such as OSU and Bama. It cannot explain any of the losses this year, nor last years' Stanford loss, nor the end of 2014 debacle.

(2) Even in the OSU and Bama cases, it cannot explain the margins of the losses.

(3) The data to prove/disprove this theory exists, but is inaccessible to the public. How many recruits are off limits to us? How much does it matter? I've fished for bits and pieces of this data, but it doesn't suggest much either way. We were able to build a top 5 class in 2013, so it must not be impossible.

(4) Shouldn't our coach be developing talent? How well did Kelly and co. do with that top 5 class?

(5) If anyone should be complaining about this, it is Mike Brey. But he doesn't. He beats better teams and doesn't blame everyone else when he loses. (He also practices in the equivalent of an elementary school gym.)

 

[Irish Insanity]

And, frankly, I don't get the meaning of the post?

ND "changes coaches for better or worse?"

What does that mean?

At the very least, ND needs to be searching for replacements for Kelly, because he is not going to be here for another 5 years, after this year. Nobody has made it longer than 10 years at ND.

So, people need to start looking for replacements, because BK is not going to be around forever, anyway. Whether you want him fired or not, the reality is that ND will need to have their eyes open anyway.

I am sure Jack knows this. I am sure that even Kelly knows this, as well.

What are you talking about. You wither didn't read the post I quoted and responded to, or quoted the wrong post.

My response was in regards to Kelly being able to win at lower levels. The competition is different. Whether it be the opposing coaches or the players. He had no issues winning against trams and coaches that were not any good. Now he's in big boy football and can't do it.

 

[Irish#1]

I see BVG leaving "on his own" for a NFL LB job after the season.


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Really? Who would hire him?

 

[BoredIrish]

Really? Who would hire him?

Interestingly enough, it looks like Rex Ryan wont have a job after the season is over either.

 

[Irish#1]

BK isn't delusional. He sees what's happening. How else do you explain the discussion on the sideline. BK is going to continue to defend BVG to everyone outside of his office until he decides the moment is right to make the change. If Duke puts up a lot of points the end could come quickly. Otherwise I see the change happening after the season is over.

If BK keeps BVG on after this year, then he is delusional!

 

[Irish Insanity]

Yep. I don't know what people want Kelly to be saying about BVG (unless it's "he gone," of course). Read between the lines just a little and it's quite clear. But right now you need someone to replace him and they haven't figured that out yet.

Do we really tho, I mean because a fuckin monkey could field a better unit.

something to consider---BK has NEVER fired any assistants while at ND

Which is a problem.

 

[NDgradstudent]

If BK keeps BVG on after this year, then he is delusional!

This was true after the Stanford disaster. How do you hold them to 100 yards on the ground and let them put up 38 points? The fact that BVG is still DC, and that the defense has torpedoed another season, speaks volumes about Kelly's judgment.

Kelly hired this moron, and then retained him even after Stanford. He's also paying him a million dollars a year. So who's the real moron?

 

[Guest]

The "recruiting gap" (caused by academic restrictions, or whatever) argument is dubious. A few points about it:

(1) It can only possibly explain the losses to clearly more talented teams, such as OSU and Bama. It cannot explain any of the losses this year, nor last years' Stanford loss, nor the end of 2014 debacle.

(2) Even in the OSU and Bama cases, it cannot explain the margins of the losses.

(3) The data to prove/disprove this theory exists, but is inaccessible to the public. How many recruits are off limits to us? How much does it matter? I've fished for bits and pieces of this data, but it doesn't suggest much either way. We were able to build a top 5 class in 2013, so it must not be impossible.

(4) Shouldn't our coach be developing talent? How well did Kelly and co. do with that top 5 class?

(5) If anyone should be complaining about this, it is Mike Brey. But he doesn't. He beats better teams and doesn't blame everyone else when he loses. (He also practices in the equivalent of an elementary school gym.)

Good post thanks

 

[Luckylucci]

I would bet BVG lasts until the end of the year. I would also bet he's gone after that and Kelly goes somewhere outside his coaching tree for the hire, and leaves it up to them what happens with the assistants. You could make the case that every coach back there needs to be fired... you could also make the case that I'm not sure how the hell Lyght, Gilmore, etc. is exactly supposed to coach this "scheme."

I'd really like to see how those guys do with a different DC. I continue to believe that its hard for the defensive assistants to have much of an impact with how BVG runs the defensive meetings. I haven't been a fan of it since I heard of it and since then I tend to give the assistants some leeway with regards to blame or criticism.

 

[irishog77]

I'd really like to see how those guys do with a different DC. I continue to believe that its hard for the defensive assistants to have much of an impact with how BVG runs the defensive meetings. I haven't been a fan of it since I heard of it and since then I tend to give the assistants some leeway with regards to blame or criticism.

How does he run the meetings?