Brian Kelly Revisited (RIP BOZO)

[Luckylucci]

Keys has never shown anything to convince us he's actually good. He's gotten offseason hype and that's it. Davis is far less natural at the slot and he's produced more than Keys has with less snaps. Regardless, I'd rather see no more than 2 WRs on the field at the same time moving forward. Play more TE heavy formations and 2 back sets.

He didn’t produce more yards or better averages than Keys last year. And it’s important to note that something like 60 yards of Davis yardage came on one play against New Mexico State last year.

Last year:
- Davis, 16 plays from scrimmage for 134yds (8.4 avg) and 2 TD’s.
- Key, 19 plays for 179yds and (9.4 avg) 0 TD’s

And Keys has only played 14 snaps through FSU. So, really hard to discern his impact since he’s not getting any opportunity to play.

In the biggest regular season game of the year, last year, against UGA, they got Keys involved early in the gameplan. That means something. Now, it seems pretty clear that Kelly is playing seniority at multiple positions.

 

[IrishLion]

He didn’t produce more yards or better averages than Keys last year. And it’s important to note that something like 60 yards of Davis yardage came on one play against New Mexico State last year.

Last year:
- Davis, 16 plays from scrimmage for 134yds (8.4 avg) and 2 TD’s.
- Key, 19 plays for 179yds and (9.4 avg) 0 TD’s

And Keys has only played 14 snaps through FSU. So, really hard to discern his impact since he’s not getting any opportunity to play.

In the biggest regular season game of the year, last year, against UGA, they got Keys involved early in the gameplan. That means something. Now, it seems pretty clear that Kelly is playing seniority at multiple positions.

I get it, especially during a weird year where nothing has been normal. Lean on the guys that have been in college for 4+ years.

On the other hand, they're spotlighting Mayer and Tyree, because they clearly have the goods. Tyree got Book killed in his first attempt at pass pro of the season. That would've meant an instant redshirt in past seasons... this year it meant he didn't get many offensive reps the rest of that game, probably got some stern words during film sessions, and now he's back to contributing.

Mayer sometimes looks lost getting to the second level to block (he missed one against Louisville where he pulled behind Tremble or one of the OL, and blocked the same guy as his teammate. If he would've peeled and walled off the inside LB like he was supposed to, Book probably breaks off a big TD). But he's still out there because he's clearly one of their best weapons.

If Keys isn't involved this year, I don't think it's because Davis is a super veteran that can handle the strangeness of a COVID season. I guess thinking about it, he may really just have really poor luck with injuries.

 

[bkess8]

Why doesn’t BK give true freshmen a longer leash and put them in to see what they can do? I understand the “he doesn’t look good in practice” or whatever but some guys a good in games but they never see the field. Seems like we are one of the few teams that don’t give true freshmen a shot.

 

[calvegas04]

Why doesn’t BK give true freshmen a longer leash and put them in to see what they can do? I understand the “he doesn’t look good in practice” or whatever but some guys a good in games but they never see the field. Seems like we are one of the few teams that don’t give true freshmen a shot.

Kyle Hamilton, Michael Mayer, Chris Tyree

 

[bkess8]

Kyle Hamilton, Michael Mayer, Chris Tyree

Guess I’m pointing more to the WR position.

And talking historically not just this year alone.

 

[Polish Leppy 22]

Guess I’m pointing more to the WR position.

And talking historically not just this year alone.

Ohio St had a true freshman WR making plays on Saturday. Must be nice.

2020 is so messed up ND fans are jealous of Wisconsin's passing attack, assuming Mertz is at QB.

 

[Old Man Mike]

We are undefeated. Coach must be pretty good.

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

We are undefeated. Coach must be pretty good.

While I am ecstatic we are undefeated, I dont think our opponents overall win-loss record of 9-22 is very good (we haven't beaten a good team or beaten them convincingly except for maybe 2 of the 5 wins).

 

[Irish YJ]

While I am ecstatic we are undefeated, I dont think our opponents overall win-loss record of 9-22 is very good (we haven't beaten a good team or beaten them convincingly except for maybe 2 of the 5 wins).

Yep. You can put me in a Corvette, and I'll beat all the sedans. Not sure if I'm a good driver though until I beat a Porche or something on that level.

 

[Old Man Mike]

Everyone here might be correct ... but I have seen some teams across my many years which just won all the time ugly. Their signatures were always the same: Big Nasty Lines which never quit pounding on the opponent, plus a magic defensive turnover guy or two, a good kicking game, and a QB who would never lose the game.

They were always undervalued by the "eye" and the media.

 

[NDMontana]

Everyone here might be correct ... but I have seen some teams across my many years which just won all the time ugly. Their signatures were always the same: Big Nasty Lines which never quit pounding on the opponent, plus a magic defensive turnover guy or two, a good kicking game, and a QB who would never lose the game.

They were always undervalued by the "eye" and the media.

Yeah...I recall a couple of those type teams led by, respectively, Matt Lovecchio and Tommy Rees/Everett Golson. And I remember what happened when they ran into BCS caliber teams and the clock struck midnight: annihilation.

 

[ACamp1900]

BK is alright, but can he hit a perfect touchdown pass with ten seconds left in the game to beat the Bengals??? Didn’t think so,.....

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

BK is alright, but can he hit a perfect touchdown pass with ten seconds left in the game to beat the Bengals??? Didn’t think so,.....

Is this the year the sig changes?

 

[Luckylucci]

While I am ecstatic we are undefeated, I dont think our opponents overall win-loss record of 9-22 is very good (we haven't beaten a good team or beaten them convincingly except for maybe 2 of the 5 wins).

Agreed. While it's really nice to see them play so well on the road and I certainly enjoyed Saturday, I'm pretty skeptical that this team is any different than the past couple of years. I think we'll beat almost everybody we're supposed to and not beat anyone we shouldn't. If that makes sense. I'm not convinced the offense of the last two weeks is how we're going to even beat a team like UNC. So, I'll enjoy the ride but Saturday doesn't change my opinion of where we end up.

 

[Sherm Sticky]

Ohio St had a true freshman WR making plays on Saturday. Must be nice.

2020 is so messed up ND fans are jealous of Wisconsin's passing attack, assuming Mertz is at QB.

You mean the 5 star WR. Because Notre Dame has a 5 star WR from a state that plays high level football who would transition to the college game seamlessly. Smh

Who was the last 5 star WR to come to ND? Michael Floyd?


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[NDRock]

Yep. You can put me in a Corvette, and I'll beat all the sedans. Not sure if I'm a good driver though until I beat a Porche or something on that level.

True but we have to at least give credit to the guy that built the corvette.

 

[Irish YJ]

True but we have to at least give credit to the guy that built the corvette.

Yes, Edward Sorin should get credit.

 

[ACamp1900]

Is this the year the sig changes?

I’ve had my new sig decided on for a good three years already. I’m really hoping I get to share it one day,...

 

[Irish#1]

Yeah...I recall a couple of those type teams led by, respectively, Matt Lovecchio and Tommy Rees/Everett Golson. And I remember what happened when they ran into BCS caliber teams and the clock struck midnight: annihilation.

I recall several. One led by Tony Rice. One led by John Huarte and one led by Tommy Clements. They did okay against BCS caliber teams.

 

[Irish#1]

I’ve had my new sig decided on for a good three years already. I’m really hoping I get to share it one day,...

By the time it happens, you'll have forgotten what it is.

 

[ACamp1900]

By the time it happens, you'll have forgotten what it is.

I have a template saved and let my wife know to remind me,... I’m set,... if it ever happened that is. Plus I love my next sig, it’s perfect in my mind and hilarious,... which prob means no one else will get it at all but I’ll love it. Lol

 

[Polish Leppy 22]

You mean the 5 star WR. Because Notre Dame has a 5 star WR from a state that plays high level football who would transition to the college game seamlessly. Smh

Who was the last 5 star WR to come to ND? Michael Floyd?


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Is Jordan Johnson not a top 100 recruit who had offers from the SEC big boys? None of us know what's going on behind the scenes with him and maybe that plays into it.

He probably doesn't know the offense as well as other guys.
He probably doesn't block as well, either.
But every coach in America would take him over McKinley and Skowronek.

If ND can't get him on the field for 10-20 plays, especially with Lenzy out, it's a coaching issue. Ever think that these 5 star WR's don't come to ND because they think BK won't let them play until they're old enough to buy a case of beer?

 

[greyhammer90]

Is Jordan Johnson not a top 100 recruit who had offers from the SEC big boys? None of us know what's going on behind the scenes with him and maybe that plays into it.

He probably doesn't know the offense as well as other guys.
He probably doesn't block as well, either.
But every coach in America would take him over McKinley and Skowronek.

If ND can't get him on the field for 10-20 plays, especially with Lenzy out, it's a coaching issue. Ever think that these 5 star WR's don't come to ND because they think BK won't let them play until they're old enough to buy a case of beer?

He's been here for 4 games and a shortened fall camp. He was only available for 3 of those games because he did something dumb enough to not to be allowed to travel with the team. He was put on the field in one of his three games as a freshman and immediately got a personal foul called because he swung/got chippy at a player in garbage time. Meanwhile all our other blue chip offensive players are contributing. But it's a Kelly issue.

I swear large segments of this fanbase don't deserve a good team.

 

[T-Boone]

He was put on the field in one of his three games as a freshman and immediately got a personal foul called because he swung/got chippy at a player in garbage time. Meanwhile all our other blue chip offensive players are contributing. But it's a Kelly issue.

Seniors get away with that sort of thing all the time. Being less than perfect seems to be pretty common. Why not have him run laps rather than stamping his file.
Kelly just needs to look at how the other coaches who are trying to win national championships do it. They get the good players out there. Throw him a ball in garbage time. BK is just stubborn and too set in his ways.

 

[greyhammer90]

Seniors get away with that sort of thing all the time. Being less than perfect seems to be pretty common. Why not have him run laps rather than stamping his file.
Kelly just needs to look at how the other coaches who are trying to win national championships do it. They get the good players out there. Throw him a ball in garbage time. BK is just stubborn and too set in his ways.

See this is twisting a narrative. You presume his file was stamped due to this one occurrence, and use it as an indictment on the coaching staff, but have nothing to support that stance. Since the USF game we've played two games. One was a one possession game. There is no "garbage time" to "throw him the ball" in that one. The other game he was unavailable because he apparently did something in the meantime that was bad enough that he didn't even get to travel with the team.

 

[Wild Bill]

Seniors get away with that sort of thing all the time. Being less than perfect seems to be pretty common. Why not have him run laps rather than stamping his file.
Kelly just needs to look at how the other coaches who are trying to win national championships do it. They get the good players out there. Throw him a ball in garbage time. BK is just stubborn and too set in his ways.

No opinion on current situation and I'm not a big BK guy but this is true of most people who are good at their job.

 

[T-Boone]

See this is twisting a narrative. You presume his file was stamped due to this one occurrence, and use it as an indictment on the coaching staff, but have nothing to support that stance. Since the USF game we've played two games. One was a one possession game. There is no "garbage time" to "throw him the ball" in that one. The other game he was unavailable because he apparently did something in the meantime that was bad enough that he didn't even get to travel with the team.

The reason I think his file is stamped is because he didn't travel AND because of how Kelly talked or rather refused to talk about him at press conferences afterwards. Its like how he was with Dexter Williams and Kevin Austin just pretending like his name doesn't exist.
I am also not presuming his file was stamped because of his penalty the other week I was just responding to the post above that mentioned that as a reason.
The reason I am moaning so much about this is Clemson is on the way and they are using all their talent as is everyone else above us and also it is aggravating to see Austin wasted for 2 years and Johnson now seemingly heading down the same road all the while Claypool is making it look like he should have been used more while here.

 

[Irish#1]

Kelly never discusses players outside of practice or games. Rightfully so.

 

[tussin]

Idk if Johnson “deserves” to play or not...but it’s obvious to anyone with a brain that the receivers playing right now are not talented enough to beat Clemson. I think it’s also fair to assume that Johnson (and possibly others) have more physical talent than some of the receivers playing right now.

Maybe we are all wrong about the talent, but it’s effectively a one game season and BK needs to find the players that will win against Clemson. The Georgia Techs and Pitts of the world frankly don’t matter.

 

[NorthDakota]

Idk if Johnson “deserves” to play or not...but it’s obvious to anyone with a brain that the receivers playing right now are not talented enough to beat Clemson. I think it’s also fair to assume that Johnson (and possibly others) have more physical talent than some of the receivers playing right now.

Maybe we are all wrong about the talent, but it’s effectively a one game season and BK needs to find the players that will win against Clemson. The Georgia Techs and Pitts of the world frankly don’t matter.

This is why I'd like to see him get reps. I'm assuming the talent is there, he was a very high profile recruit. We need him to perform against high quality opposition so i would think its pretty important to get him some playing time, because frankly, we don't have a ton of talent available at the position right now.

I suspect with Austin out, and Lenzy possibly hurt (saw him grab his hammy?) that they'll get him on the field now. Really hoping for some quality production out of him. I think the footbalk factories have shown the impact high end receivers can have.