Brian Kelly Revisited (RIP BOZO)

[Ndaccountant]

This is why I'd like to see him get reps. I'm assuming the talent is there, he was a very high profile recruit. We need him to perform against high quality opposition so i would think its pretty important to get him some playing time, because frankly, we don't have a ton of talent available at the position right now.

I suspect with Austin out, and Lenzy possibly hurt (saw him grab his hammy?) that they'll get him on the field now. Really hoping for some quality production out of him. I think the footbalk factories have shown the impact high end receivers can have.

It's safe to say they are going to have to do something. The depth chart at II had the starters as Davis, Javon and Lenzy. Wilkens was the back up to both Javon and Davis, with Ben S. as Lenzy backup. I think it's fair to say that with Lenzy out, they will have a 5 man rotation of AD, LK, BS, JM, and JW. But they are really thin at the spot if they don't get someone else to come along. I would say 6-7 is ideal. Now, is that Johnson or Watts? The only other two possibilities would be Brunelle and Jones. But man, the lack of WR recruiting in the 2019 class has really come back to bit this program in the ass.

 

[Luckylucci]

Yea, pretty wild to consider that with both KAR and Hart moving positions, there were no WR’s in that class.

 

[zelezo vlk]

Yea, pretty wild to consider that with both KAR and Hart moving positions, there were no WR’s in that class.

Yup. Flat out missing 2017 and 2019 WRs is hurting this team right now.

 

[Pops Freshenmeyer]

I really like what Ben did against Louisville but he and Javon are little too similar to tight ends in the receiving game.

Apart from Lenzy, Watts the only guy on the roster with any kind of dangerous speed, right? I would like to see him get on the field for a few plays this weekend.

Also, Wilkins had not shown anything in the department of actually catching the football but he moves pretty well. I hope they can get some confidence in him as a receiver.

 

[Irish YJ]

It's safe to say they are going to have to do something. The depth chart at II had the starters as Davis, Javon and Lenzy. Wilkens was the back up to both Javon and Davis, with Ben S. as Lenzy backup. I think it's fair to say that with Lenzy out, they will have a 5 man rotation of AD, LK, BS, JM, and JW. But they are really thin at the spot if they don't get someone else to come along. I would say 6-7 is ideal. Now, is that Johnson or Watts? The only other two possibilities would be Brunelle and Jones. But man, the lack of WR recruiting in the 2019 class has really come back to bit this program in the ass.

Skow was listed as the starter pre-injury, so assume he returns there now that he's back, and especially after playing well. Skow-AD-Javon I'm guessing are heavy snaps, and Wilkins the primary 4th (inside and outside).

 

[ThePiombino]

Yup. Flat out missing 2017 and 2019 WRs is hurting this team right now.

And yet Johnson and Watts still can't sniff the field. Any way you slice it, this is 100% on the staff.

 

[RDU Irish]

Gotta get these young guys snaps, been a problem for the entirety of BKs time at ND. Must be head and shoulders ahead of the pack like Mayer, Hamilton and Tyree or else you ride pine.

 

[IrishLax]

No clue why people think Jordan Johnson is some messiah and they're just keeping him out because the coaches are [insert conspiracy theory].

Jordan Johnson is on scout team right now. He is not showing anything that warrants immediate playing time. Period. Watts is closer to being a contributor.

ND got screwed by Austin and Lenzy getting hurt. They were supposed to be big play guys. The depth chart would look completely different with Kevin Austin in McKinley's spot and a rotation of Lenzy + Sko depending on the situation. That doesn't mean they're playing the "wrong" WRs right now. It means that the roster lacks answers.

 

[Armyirish47]

No clue why people think Jordan Johnson is some messiah and they're just keeping him out because the coaches are [insert conspiracy theory].

Jordan Johnson is on scout team right now. He is not showing anything that warrants immediate playing time. Period. Watts is closer to being a contributor.

ND got screwed by Austin and Lenzy getting hurt. They were supposed to be big play guys. The depth chart would look completely different with Kevin Austin in McKinley's spot and a rotation of Lenzy + Sko depending on the situation. That doesn't mean they're playing the "wrong" WRs right now. It means that the roster lacks answers.

Stars that shine and axes that grind.

 

[Huntr]

I think the problem is there are 11 scholarship WR's on the roster, but ND is screwed when 2 of them are unavailable.

 

[T-Boone]

No clue why people think Jordan Johnson is some messiah and they're just keeping him out because the coaches are [insert conspiracy theory].

Jordan Johnson is on scout team right now. He is not showing anything that warrants immediate playing time. Period. Watts is closer to being a contributor.

ND got screwed by Austin and Lenzy getting hurt. They were supposed to be big play guys. The depth chart would look completely different with Kevin Austin in McKinley's spot and a rotation of Lenzy + Sko depending on the situation. That doesn't mean they're playing the "wrong" WRs right now. It means that the roster lacks answers.

BK is taking too long to develop WRs.
They hardly get a sniff as freshmen and not much as sophomores either. There are plenty of opportunities to get them out there. Austin and Claypool should have played more as freshmen.
It seems like they all come in and have to be punished for something.

 

[ThePiombino]

No clue why people think Jordan Johnson is some messiah and they're just keeping him out because the coaches are [insert conspiracy theory].

Jordan Johnson is on scout team right now. He is not showing anything that warrants immediate playing time. Period. Watts is closer to being a contributor.

ND got screwed by Austin and Lenzy getting hurt. They were supposed to be big play guys. The depth chart would look completely different with Kevin Austin in McKinley's spot and a rotation of Lenzy + Sko depending on the situation. That doesn't mean they're playing the "wrong" WRs right now. It means that the roster lacks answers.

And whose fault is that?

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[tussin]

No clue why people think Jordan Johnson is some messiah and they're just keeping him out because the coaches are [insert conspiracy theory].

Jordan Johnson is on scout team right now. He is not showing anything that warrants immediate playing time. Period. Watts is closer to being a contributor.

ND got screwed by Austin and Lenzy getting hurt. They were supposed to be big play guys. The depth chart would look completely different with Kevin Austin in McKinley's spot and a rotation of Lenzy + Sko depending on the situation. That doesn't mean they're playing the "wrong" WRs right now. It means that the roster lacks answers.

Jordan Johnson was a higher rated recruit than Justyn Ross and Jaylen Waddle. He was the best WR signee in almost 15 years and was close to a consensus 5-star. Naturally we will look to that player for a spark when our top 3 receivers are a Northwestern transfer, a converted QB, and very late bloomer who's best attribute is blocking. No doubt Lenzy was a loss in the slot, but it's equally confusing as to why people thought Austin would be the messiah given injury concerns, behavior issues, and a complete lack of production thus far in his career.

Maybe Johnson undisciplined and was overrated. You always have better information than most posters on this board. But given that our current crop of receivers lack game breaking ability, I don't see the harm in letting the young guys run a few go routes. Other elite programs seem to overcome these shortcomings with young WRs year in and year out.

 

[ACamp1900]

And whose fault is that?

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LAX’s,... if he hadn’t have banned Koon, BK would be able to read the board and know who he should and shouldn’t be recruiting,...

 

[IrishLax]

And whose fault is that?

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Brian Kelly and Del Alexander, mostly.

 

[IrishLax]

Jordan Johnson was a higher rated recruit than Justyn Ross and Jaylen Waddle. He was the best WR signee in almost 15 years and was close to a consensus 5-star. Naturally we will look to that player for a spark when our top 3 receivers are a Northwestern transfer, a converted QB, and very late bloomer who's best attribute is blocking. No doubt Lenzy was a loss in the slot, but it's equally confusing as to why people thought Austin would be the messiah given injury concerns, behavior issues, and a complete lack of production thus far in his career.

Maybe Johnson undisciplined and was overrated. You always have better information than most posters on this board. But given that our current crop of receivers lack game breaking ability, I don't see the harm in letting the young guys run a few go routes. Other elite programs seem to overcome these shortcomings with young WRs year in and year out.

The difference here is that Kevin Austin got absolutely rave reviews from his teammates and other people with access to practices. He is -- allegedly -- a dominant player. So that's why people expect big things from him.

Jordan Johnson is closer to Derek Allen than Kevin Austin in terms of what people say behind the scenes. I'm not saying he's a bust, but I am absolutely saying he is no Kyle Hamilton who stands out when given the opportunity. If anything, he has totally underwhelmed.

 

[Circa]

Seniors get away with that sort of thing all the time. Being less than perfect seems to be pretty common. Why not have him run laps rather than stamping his file.
Kelly just needs to look at how the other coaches who are trying to win national championships do it. They get the good players out there. Throw him a ball in garbage time. BK is just stubborn and too set in his ways.

Believe it or not BK has the final say in all things but the main issues and situations are decided by the coordinators. BK is running the program like the Al, OSU’s of CFB. The main issues we have this year is time. Ya can’t teach If you aren’t practicing/playing.

 

[snoopdog]

BK is taking too long to develop WRs.
They hardly get a sniff as freshmen and not much as sophomores either. There are plenty of opportunities to get them out there. Austin and Claypool should have played more as freshmen.
It seems like they all come in and have to be punished for something.

It's kind of funny you say that, but Claypool fits into this category. There was always a reason why he was a problem and not deserving of full playtime his first two seasons, but after he left, his character was considered outstanding. His "traits" just weren't sufficient, but it is what it is.

 

[FightingIrishLover7]

Jordan Johnson is closer to *Davonte Neal* than Kevin Austin in terms of what people say behind the scenes.

Fixed

 

[IrishLax]

Fixed

Truf.

 

[Polish Leppy 22]

He's been here for 4 games and a shortened fall camp. He was only available for 3 of those games because he did something dumb enough to not to be allowed to travel with the team. He was put on the field in one of his three games as a freshman and immediately got a personal foul called because he swung/got chippy at a player in garbage time. Meanwhile all our other blue chip offensive players are contributing. But it's a Kelly issue.

I swear large segments of this fanbase don't deserve a good team.

It's without a doubt a Kelly/ staff issue. If the teams consistently playing in the CFB get their best talent on the field, there's no reason ND can't do the same.

I'm not saying he should start. Not saying he's a messiah. I'm saying he now needs to get on the field in some capacity.

I'm not sure ND's offense can put up points against a top 10 team right now. Their competition has been awful, and it isn't their fault. When ND gets to Clemson, I don't think you're going to like the end result of ND trying to ground and pound while relying on Skrowonek and McKinley at WR.

 

[Irish#1]

And whose fault is that?

Books

 

[Huntr]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Ian Book says WR Jordan Johnson was working with the varsity this week and has made some unbelievable plays on Tuesday.</p>— Irish Sports Daily (@ISDUpdate) <a href="https://twitter.com/ISDUpdate/status/1321231919259013122?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 27, 2020</a></blockquote>

 

[T-Boone]

The difference here is that Kevin Austin got absolutely rave reviews from his teammates and other people with access to practices. He is -- allegedly -- a dominant player. So that's why people expect big things from him.

Jordan Johnson is closer to Derek Allen than Kevin Austin in terms of what people say behind the scenes. I'm not saying he's a bust, but I am absolutely saying he is no Kyle Hamilton who stands out when given the opportunity. If anything, he has totally underwhelmed.

If that is true they could still get him in the game at 40-6 in the 4th quarter so others dont think there is a problem. Presently he is one in a long line of freshmen WRs who don't play at ND.
Even if Lorenzo Styles is the 4th best WR recruit Ohio State wants in 21 he is still more likely to get playing time at Ohio State next year than at ND.

 

[ThePiombino]

Brian Kelly and Del Alexander, mostly.

Exactly.

 

[Blaise]

I think its usually foolish when we sit here and judge people based on their recruiting rankings. That doesn't tell us anything. I usually trust the coaches...

However, When you look at our WR, we obviously need help.. what does it hurt to play some youth

 

[ulukinatme]

TJ Jones, Finke, Sanders, Robinson, etc, we had no problem getting young receivers on the field early when Longo was in charge of S&C...

 

[ulukinatme]

Signature. Fucking. Win.

 

[IrishEyesAreSmiling]

Ain’t that the truth

 

[Luckylucci]

Signature. Fucking. Win.

Yes, yes it is. And for QB1.