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And lastly, I'm open ears for anyone to tell me why a guy with his history who comes in and drops these two posts in a row isn't doing something wrong:
Teomonsternd said:
Not true, a 2 loss Stanford team is ahead of OSU, just as a 2 loss MSU team would have been ahead of OSU by virtue of their head to head win, ON THE ROAD. Was logic one of those life skills that you decided was optional? A 2nd loss in a conference title game that the 1 loss team didn't even make because they couldn't even win their side of the conference isn't going to trump a head to head loss on the road. I'm embarrassed for you. Also, that bland vanilla offense that you mention in point #2 isn't going to look very good against the best team in the country. When recruits wake up on January 1st and M$U got the snot beat out of them, making the playoffs isn't going to sell them to head to East Lansing.
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Chicken little, Iowa didn't win a conference championship and they are ahead of OSU, same record. MSU would certainly have been ahead of OSU even if they lost; they beat them head to head ON THE ROAD. Losing an extra game in the conference championship game that the other team failed to qualify for would not have hurt MSU. All that matters is that MSU and OSU had identical records in the regular season, and MSU won the head to head matchup. If you can't see this, then you truly are the dip$hit we all know you are.
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That's not the worst trolling we've seen on here. It's also quite obviously not acceptable posting. Nobody here posts like that. And yeah, I'd have shown a lot more lenience and just sent a PM to somebody posting like that if they had any kind of reputable history at all. They probably would've gotten a "hey, so, let's not do that..." little warning and moved on. But I thought the guy was a troll when I looked at his profile, so I banned him. Judgment call and sorry if I got it wrong.
 
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greyhammer90 said:
Did he have prior strikes? That seems like a one strike offense to me.
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It was never mentioned by any of the mods, I would find it suspicious if they said he had an actual "infraction" before this. Otherwise, they would have just said, "he was already warned long ago and had an infraction still active. So we banned him per protocol". But that was never stated.


That's how the old model worked. You would get officially warned with an "infraction". It would show up in your usercp and have an expiration date.
 
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Not a fan of it. LAX is in a crazy emotional state today and made a quick judgment at this poor guy's expense. The dude loves ND football like us all, please let him back :(


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I think Wooly is on to something. Every time a user is banned, make it temporary for 24 hours, then post a poll where IE members can vote to continue the ban or lift it. After 24 hours voting is closed, results are posted and the ban continues or is lifted. Now that's Merica!
 
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Unfortunately he was posting in a way that a lot of people do on this site. The difference was he had a red bar. Most people wouldn't have even been warned, but this guy gets banned.

Lesson is that if you want to talk crap, just be good for the first 6 months, build up some green bar, and then you can post the way this guy was posting.
 
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IrishLax said:
And lastly, I'm open ears for anyone to tell me why a guy with his history who comes in and drops these two posts in a row isn't doing something wrong:




That's not the worst trolling we've seen on here. It's also quite obviously not acceptable posting. Nobody here posts like that. If you think they do, find me a non-politics, non-Lep Lounge thread where people were totally cool with it.
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Show us this history (in the banned thread, btw) that we can't see. Because from our viewpoint (and frankly... probably yours at the time of banning) there really isn't much there.
 
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One of the mods willing to move this stuff to the banned users thread? Can't since I'm on my phone.

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BeauBenken said:
Several deleted troll posts, red bar...per lax.

Can't see for myself, on my phone.

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1) Did he have an actual infraction? (the warning you should get prior to a perm ban)

2) If you look at the timeline, Lax banned him before checking his history.

3) Since all of these bad things were soft deleted, there isn't even any evidence of bad posting by him in several years.
 
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rocket66 said:
Not a fan of it. LAX is in a crazy emotional state today and made a quick judgment at this poor guy's expense. The dude loves ND football like us all, please let him back :(


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If we're just handing out bans, can someone ban rocket as well? I just don't like guy.
 
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woolybug25 said:
1) Did he have an actual infraction? (the warning you should get prior to a perm ban)

2) If you look at the timeline, Lax banned him before checking his history.

3) Since all of these bad things were soft deleted, there isn't even any evidence of bad posting by him in several years.
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LOL what!?!?!?!?! That's an outright lie, and you cannot possibly even have information on when I checked his history.

In fact, I gave him a 1 point warning slap-on-the-wrist for "inappropriate language" THEN I checked his posting history and THEN I banned him because I thought his history looked bad.

This is all documented and timestamped, because when you do give an infraction it auto generates a thread in the mod forum.

So, good effort.
 
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IrishLax said:
LOL what!?!?!?!?! That's an outright lie, and you cannot possibly even have information on when I checked his history.

In fact, I gave him a 1 point warning slap-on-the-wrist for "inappropriate language" THEN I checked his posting history and THEN I banned him because I thought his history looked bad.

This is all documented and timestamped, because when you do give an infraction it auto generates a thread in the mod forum.

So, good effort.
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I would pay handsomely for a 1-day pass to the mod forum. Oh the secrets!!!!
 
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ThePiombino said:
That shouldn't make a difference, which (I THINK) is kind of at the root of this whole discussion.
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ThePiombino said:
I would pay handsomely for a 1-day pass to the mod forum. Oh the secrets!!!!
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It's actually just all of us milling about, talking about how much we miss Pat, but Beau won't let us bring him back, so we kind of just argue about that all the time.
 
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It's actually just all of us milling about, talking about how much we miss Pat, but Beau won't let us bring him back, so we kind of just argue about that all the time.
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Ban Beau and Free Pat. No 'talics. Beau can take one for the team. I'd do it.
 
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Personal attacks are one of the signature rules no matter who is attacked. Its definitely infraction worthy. Everything Lax is saying is true.
 
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IrishLax said:
LOL what!?!?!?!?! That's an outright lie, and you cannot possibly even have information on when I checked his history.

In fact, I gave him a 1 point warning slap-on-the-wrist for "inappropriate language" THEN I checked his posting history and THEN I banned him because I thought his history looked bad.

This is all documented and timestamped, because when you do give an infraction it auto generates a thread in the mod forum.

So, good effort.
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I wasn't trying to make false accusations, and probably could have added "imo" or something, but I still don't buy it. Right after you banned him, you added:

Guy has 60 posts and 90% of them were trolling, insulting, or otherwise starting shit with people. That's why he had the rep bar he did and probably a bunch of previous infractions.
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I bolded the two items above to illustrate two points.

1) His post count has 64 posts and none of them really have anything inflammatory in them. When I brought this up, you told us there were "missing posts" that we couldn't see. So which is it? He has 60 posts or a lot more that we can't see?

2) Does he have previous infractions or not? "probably" isn't exactly a solid reason for banning. It was always my impression that you guys actually had a process. Hence the infraction ability. Someone gets warned, if they don't listen, they get banned. But it seemingly looks as if bans are now a subjective process based entirely on opinion of a poster.

Again, my apologies for putting my previous comment on here in that context. It certainly reads as if i'm stating that as fact, when in is actually my opinion. But it certainly doesn't change my viewpoint.
 
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