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[TomHaverford]

Michigan has looked very beatable too. I mean, you guys did lose to a backup QB this year.

He wasn't the backup for the first 4-5 weeks of your season, and he was the starter last year.

We must not be watching the same team. Because Michigan has physically beaten down Wisconsin and Sparty in back to back weeks. Funny how the narrative keeps changing. Jim Harbaugh can't beat "top 25 teams or win games on the road". Well, Wisconsin was ranked #18 and Sparty was ranked #24 and those games weren't remotely as close as the scoreboard said they were. Michigan's defense flat out dominated both of those QB's and those offenses and Michigan's OL wore down both of those defensive front 7's.

Penn State by the way just gave up just under 570 yards offense to Indiana. And they also lost at home in Happy Valley to the same team and QB that Michigan made go 5 of 26 and held to 94 total yards in East Lansing. Forgive me for thinking they are probably going to have a tough time in Ann Arbor in what will be a night game.

 

[koonja]

So pre-ND game I was way high on Shea Patterson and buying into the hype. He obviously didn't do much against us.

But I keep hearing how great their offense is becoming, and the MSU game was the first game I've watched since.

I'm still underwhelmed with Shea Patterson. I just don't see anything special about him. He's mobile. So are 80% of CFB QBs now. I'm not impressed with his arm strength, accuracy, or pocket presence.

He's not bad by any means, he's just not that special IMO.

 

[IrishLion]

He wasn't the backup for the first 4-5 weeks of your season, and he was the starter last year.

We must not be watching the same team. Because Michigan has physically beaten down Wisconsin and Sparty in back to back weeks. Funny how the narrative keeps changing. Jim Harbaugh can't beat "top 25 teams or win games on the road". Well, Wisconsin was ranked #18 and Sparty was ranked #24 and those games weren't remotely as close as the scoreboard said they were. Michigan's defense flat out dominated both of those QB's and those offenses and Michigan's OL wore down both of those defensive front 7's.

Penn State by the way just gave up just under 570 yards offense to Indiana. And they also lost at home in Happy Valley to the same team and QB that Michigan made go 5 of 26 and held to 94 total yards in East Lansing. Forgive me for thinking they are probably going to have a tough time in Ann Arbor in what will be a night game.

Ian Book > Shea "Harbaugh's Newest Transfer QB" Patterson

 

[koonja]

Ian Book > Shea "Harbaugh's Newest Transfer QB" Patterson

I would take Ian Book over Shea. It's close but I would.

 

[IrishLion]

I would take Ian Book over Shea. It's close but I would.

I would too, that's why I said it.

 

[TomHaverford]

I like Ian Book a lot. I like Shea a lot too. I think both of them are pretty good. I like Ian Book's OC/play-callers a heck of a lot better than I like Shea's.

Brian Kelly + Chip Long > Jim/Pep

Brian Kelly isn't an offensive genius- but then again who is? Maybe only a handful of top HC's and OC's are. But I always thought he was a really good offensive coach, and definitely better than Jim in that regard.

Jim? He is a good head coach, but man is he a really bad offensive coach. And Pep? He was fired from every NFL OC job he's ever had. He actually made Andrew Luck look mediocre in the NFL. And that's a hard thing to do. I'm still trying to figure out how he's one of the highest paid college OC's making over $1 million a year. Nobody is knocking down his door to hire him and pay him $1.1 million a year. Nobody. As far as I can see, he only has that job and that salary because he's a friend of Jim Harbaugh's.

 

[TomHaverford]

So pre-ND game I was way high on Shea Patterson and buying into the hype. He obviously didn't do much against us.

But I keep hearing how great their offense is becoming, and the MSU game was the first game I've watched since.

I'm still underwhelmed with Shea Patterson. I just don't see anything special about him. He's mobile. So are 80% of CFB QBs now. I'm not impressed with his arm strength, accuracy, or pocket presence.

He's not bad by any means, he's just not that special IMO.

Hard to complain about Shea as a Michigan fan after the crap I've seen trotted out at QB the last few years.

He's completing 67% for 12 TD's and 3 INT's. He's only had 1 TD called back- a long 40 yard TD bomb to Peoples Jones robbed from him on a phantom holding call on the RB Wilson against Maryland. I hate complaining about the refs, but man that was bad. I don't get how you call a hold on a RB that never touched a blitzing defender. Had he gotten that one tacked on he'd be at 13. And two of his INT's were honestly not his fault. TE Sean McKeon was at fault for one of those INT's and TE Zach Gentry was at fault for the other. McKeon quit running his route and didn't come back to the ball and Gentry had both hands on a very catchable ball he let go right through his fingers and it deflected into the air and a defender 5 yards a way made a catch.

His #'s really should be 13 and 1 and 67% completion. He's also made some big plays with his feet. I'll take that every day. He's not perfect, but he's a hell of a lot better than what they've had before.

He's a little careless with the football when he's running around in the pocket, he leaves the pocket way too early sometimes, and he seems afraid to throw jump balls to his big receivers and TE's- like he's scared of turning it over- and he's made a few dumb throws he shouldn't have- sometimes he does dumb stuff- but on the whole he's pretty damn good and has taken care of the ball and he is flat out just a better QB than they've had in many years.

 

[T Town Tommy]

Hard to complain about Shea as a Michigan fan after the crap I've seen trotted out at QB the last few years.

He's completing 67% for 12 TD's and 3 INT's. He's only had 1 TD called back- a long 40 yard TD bomb to Peoples Jones robbed from him on a phantom holding call on the RB Wilson against Maryland. I hate complaining about the refs, but man that was bad. I don't get how you call a hold on a RB that never touched a blitzing defender. Had he gotten that one tacked on he'd be at 13. And two of his INT's were honestly not his fault. TE Sean McKeon was at fault for one of those INT's and TE Zach Gentry was at fault for the other. McKeon quit running his route and didn't come back to the ball and Gentry had both hands on a very catchable ball he let go right through his fingers and it deflected into the air and a defender 5 yards a way made a catch.

His #'s really should be 13 and 1 and 67% completion. He's also made some big plays with his feet. I'll take that every day. He's not perfect, but he's a hell of a lot better than what they've had before.

He's a little careless with the football when he's running around in the pocket, he leaves the pocket way too early sometimes, and he seems afraid to throw jump balls to his big receivers and TE's- like he's scared of turning it over- and he's made a few dumb throws he shouldn't have- sometimes he does dumb stuff- but on the whole he's pretty damn good and has taken care of the ball and he is flat out just a better QB than they've had in many years.

Patterson is the Joe Burrow of the Big 10. He folds under pressure and makes some pretty serious mistakes. You can get away with that against middling teams, but the big boys will eat that up all day long. He is better than anything Michigan has had lately but I don't want to go all in with him against a really good team.

 

[TomHaverford]

Patterson is the Joe Burrow of the Big 10. He folds under pressure and makes some pretty serious mistakes. You can get away with that against middling teams, but the big boys will eat that up all day long. He is better than anything Michigan has had lately but I don't want to go all in with him against a really good team.

He's a lot better than Joe Burrow. Significantly better. That is an insult to even compare the two. Burrow is barely a functional QB. He completes barely over 50% of his passes. Shea is just under 70% in an offense that doesn't use screens or quick throws very much if at all. Most of Shea's passes are intermediate or down the field shots and he's completing those at a very high rate.

Shea has limited the serious mistakes this year. In 8 games he's thrown 3 INT's and honestly 2 of them weren't his fualt. I think Harbaugh and Pep Hamilton have really coached that into him. To limit the turnovers, make the big throws when you need them, and lean on the defense.

 

[T Town Tommy]

He's a lot better than Joe Burrow. Significantly better. That is an insult to even compare the two. Burrow is barely a functional QB. He completes barely over 50% of his passes. Shea is just under 70% in an offense that doesn't use screens or quick throws very much if at all. Most of Shea's passes are intermediate or down the field shots and he's completing those at a very high rate.

Shea has limited the serious mistakes this year. I think Harbaugh and Pep Hamilton have really coached that into him. To limit the turnovers, make the big throws when you need them, and lean on the defense.

Improved? Yes. Average to slightly above average is his current ceiling. And Patterson is the best the Wolverines have had in a while but that isn't saying much. Until he proves it against better teams, he is what he is. He won't get his shot until maybe the playoffs so if Michigan gets there we will see what he has. Right now...I will pass on him being able to win against elite teams.

 

[ickythump1225]

He's a lot better than Joe Burrow. Significantly better. That is an insult to even compare the two. Burrow is barely a functional QB. He completes barely over 50% of his passes. Shea is just under 70% in an offense that doesn't use screens or quick throws very much if at all. Most of Shea's passes are intermediate or down the field shots and he's completing those at a very high rate.

Shea has limited the serious mistakes this year. In 8 games he's thrown 3 INT's and honestly 2 of them weren't his fualt. I think Harbaugh and Pep Hamilton have really coached that into him. To limit the turnovers, make the big throws when you need them, and lean on the defense.

LSU has played a better schedule so far IIRC. The one truly legit defense Michigan has played Shea looked average at best.

 

[Irish#1]

He wasn't the backup for the first 4-5 weeks of your season, and he was the starter last year.

We must not be watching the same team. Because Michigan has physically beaten down Wisconsin and Sparty in back to back weeks. Funny how the narrative keeps changing. Jim Harbaugh can't beat "top 25 teams or win games on the road". Well, Wisconsin was ranked #18 and Sparty was ranked #24 and those games weren't remotely as close as the scoreboard said they were. Michigan's defense flat out dominated both of those QB's and those offenses and Michigan's OL wore down both of those defensive front 7's.

Penn State by the way just gave up just under 570 yards offense to Indiana. And they also lost at home in Happy Valley to the same team and QB that Michigan made go 5 of 26 and held to 94 total yards in East Lansing. Forgive me for thinking they are probably going to have a tough time in Ann Arbor in what will be a night game.

Let's address the real issue(s) here:
1. You're a scUM fan on an ND forum. I shouldn't have to go any further than that, but since you're a scUM fan I will. I will also type slowly for your benefit.
2. You were conspicuous by your absence after scUM was taken behind the woodshed on September 1.
3. You didn't show your face around here until recently, when you had a cute little win streak to give you some courage.

If you don't like the arguments made around here, go home. We're not here to sing the praises of a school who built its reputation around racism and bigotry and not that long ago turned a blind eye towards sexual assault because he was a football stud.

 

[koonja]

After Devin Bush's antics and Chase Winovich's post game comments, is there a more "fake tough guy" team than Michigan? Not meant to be funny, but I can't think of another team that's a fake-tough-guy. Maybe Miami?

They seriously think they're a "big dog" in college football. They're like the annoying, yapping dog that bites at your ankles and you have to swat away from time to time.

Wisconsin was ~100th in defense, and Hornibrook is a severely limited QB. MSU is bad this year, they only thing they do well is stop the run. Everything else is terrible. Their passing game makes Navy look like 2012 Oregon.

And they beat 2 teams that any top 15 team was beating, and all of a sudden they are back to being full of themselves and thinking they have some sort of magic sauce. They don't, unless the magic sauce is that Wisco/MSU are down this year but the name screams "big win".

 

[IrishLax]

After Devin Bush's antics and Chase Winovich's post game comments, is there a more "fake tough guy" team than Michigan? Not meant to be funny, but I can't think of another team that's a fake-tough-guy. Maybe Miami?

They seriously think they're a "big dog" in college football. They're like the annoying, yapping dog that bites at your ankles and you have to swat away from time to time.

Wisconsin was ~100th in defense, and Hornibrook is a severely limited QB. MSU is bad this year, they only thing they do well is stop the run. Everything else is terrible. Their passing game makes Navy look like 2012 Oregon.

And they beat 2 teams that any top 15 team was beating, and all of a sudden they are back to being full of themselves and thinking they have some sort of magic sauce. They don't, unless the magic sauce is that Wisco/MSU are down this year but the name screams "big win".

If Notre Dame had such a plodding, unimpressive win over MSU no one would be talking smack. We'd all be talking about how the defense played exceptional against an anemic opponent, and how the offense needs to be way better if they want to compete with elite teams.

Michigan wins 21-7 over a bad team, and they're suddenly DJ Khaled yelling "WE DA BEST" and talking smack like they're the kings of college football. It's unreal, and I don't think they realize how clownish they all look to the rest of the country.

 

[ickythump1225]

After taking a few years off of the rivalry and Michigan being more consistently than not the past decade had me forgetting how much I hate Michigan and their fans. A few wins over some average B1G teams has reminded me why I hate that team more than any other sports team, even the Bears.

 

[stlnd01]

After taking a few years off of the rivalry and Michigan being more consistently than not the past decade had me forgetting how much I hate Michigan and their fans. A few wins over some average B1G teams has reminded me why I hate that team more than any other sports team, even the Bears.

If things continue on their current track the Michigan-OSU game is going to be downright intolerable this year. So much loathsome arrogance in one stadium.

 

[stlnd01]

And they beat 2 teams that any top 15 team was beating, and all of a sudden they are back to being full of themselves and thinking they have some sort of magic sauce. They don't, unless the magic sauce is that Wisco/MSU are down this year but the name screams "big win".

How many players on MSU and Wisconsin, combined, were seriously recruited by Michigan, or - aside from maybe Wisconsin’s o linemen - would start for Michigan today?

 

[ACamp1900]

I didn't know anything about Winovich aside from he's really good at getting off the edge before Saturday... now I know he's pretty douchey and prob bragged about beating up on handicapped students in high school.

 

[Irishize]

He wasn't the backup for the first 4-5 weeks of your season, and he was the starter last year.

We must not be watching the same team. Because Michigan has physically beaten down Wisconsin and Sparty in back to back weeks. Funny how the narrative keeps changing. Jim Harbaugh can't beat "top 25 teams or win games on the road". Well, Wisconsin was ranked #18 and Sparty was ranked #24 and those games weren't remotely as close as the scoreboard said they were. Michigan's defense flat out dominated both of those QB's and those offenses and Michigan's OL wore down both of those defensive front 7's.

Penn State by the way just gave up just under 570 yards offense to Indiana. And they also lost at home in Happy Valley to the same team and QB that Michigan made go 5 of 26 and held to 94 total yards in East Lansing. Forgive me for thinking they are probably going to have a tough time in Ann Arbor in what will be a night game.

Wimbush played in the first 3 games. We also had a WR starting his first game at RB & b/c ND suspends players for farting in class, we didn’t have our game breaker at RB for the first 4 games.

Be glad Wimbush wasn’t Sparty’s QB b/c that defense left some crazy lanes out there that he would have exploited...again but for even more yardage.

People are too focused on ND’s offense which lacked in games 2 & 3 under Wimbush. They need to focus on ND’s defense b/c it has carried them through the QB transition. You should know that as well as any fan b/c they held Michigan’s vaunted rush attack to 58 net yards.

I am as impressed w/ your wins over Wisky & Sparty about as much as you’re impressed w/ our wins over Stanford & VT. Beat tOSU & respect will follow. PSU has proven a pretender, too.

 

[ND88]

For any Michigan fans reading this board, when we call bs, it’s not out of arrogance for our own team or thinking we’ve reached the promised land with our performances this year. We’ve got work to put in if we want to lay claim to a successful season. We call your team out because your leaders are acting like “big brother” when you clearly lost to big poppa to start your season and continue to gloss over that fact with excuses.

 

[IrishSteelhead]

Let's address the real issue(s) here:

1. You're a scUM fan on an ND forum. I shouldn't have to go any further than that, but since you're a scUM fan I will. I will also type slowly for your benefit.

2. You were conspicuous by your absence after scUM was taken behind the woodshed on September 1.

3. You didn't show your face around here until recently, when you had a cute little win streak to give you some courage.



If you don't like the arguments made around here, go home. We're not here to sing the praises of a school who built its reputation around racism and bigotry and not that long ago turned a blind eye towards sexual assault because he was a football stud.

Hey, he was busy!


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[greyhammer90]

https://mgoblog.com/content/product-programs

Just in case anyone needed a reminder on the definition of "arrogance"

 

[Crazy Balki]

LSU has played a better schedule so far IIRC. The one truly legit defense Michigan has played Shea looked average at best.

This. I think Patterson is the better QB, but he hasn't been that impressive.

I don't think LSU has played as grueling a slate of "tough" teams as a lot of experts state, but that's mainly because most of the teams they play have massive problems on offense. Their defenses on the other hand, Mississippi State, Auburn, Miami, Georgia(? unproven but talented), Florida, have quality defenses.

Patterson has played two tough defensive teams in Notre Dame and Michigan State.

vs. MSU (14/25 212 yds; 2 TD)
vs. ND (20/30 227 yds; 0 TD 1 INT)

Those aren't what I'd call stellar numbers. Let's not beat around the bush, Michigan is winning games thanks to their defense and in games against garbage teams, Patterson and the offense are putting up points.

 

[IrishSteelhead]

https://mgoblog.com/content/product-programs

Just in case anyone needed a reminder on the definition of "arrogance"

Its pretty obvious to me: ND gets into the CFP if they run the table, and are left out if they dont. What Michigan does is irrelevant IMO.


With that said, hope they lose 2-3 games to end the season, and little cunts who only peek outside when the sun is shining
like Tom Haverford go back into hiding.


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[Rack Em]

https://mgoblog.com/content/product-programs

Just in case anyone needed a reminder on the definition of "arrogance"

Is it arrogance or just sheer stupidity? I honestly can't tell.

 

[koonja]

Lax this is so gross.

Even if you felt this way, why go social with this?

https://twitter.com/NDIrishLax/status/1054728579676807168?s=19

 

[IrishLax]

Lax this is so gross.

Even if you felt this way, why go social with this?

https://twitter.com/NDIrishLax/status/1054728579676807168?s=19

I speak nothing but truth. Give me a competent OL (might get that if we start Banks) and I think ND is better than Michigan but with the OL we had against Pittsburgh I don’t think we’d score more than 2 TDs.

 

[Ndaccountant]

I speak nothing but truth. Give me a competent OL (might get that if we start Banks) and I think ND is better than Michigan but with the OL we had against Pittsburgh I don’t think we’d score more than 2 TDs.

2 TD's would be enough.

 

[Ndaccountant]

BTW, wake me when Harboner wins a conference championship. Didn't do it at Stanford, hasn't done it at UM. My money is they still won't this year either.