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So they changed it and changed it back? I think you made Johnny's point? And maybe diminished some of the signs of a great coach comments, to boot!
 
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I agree with what GoBlue says here except for the put down of Rodriguez in the last phrase. Rodriguez' offense rolled. Rodriguez as they say on the street "is a Bad Man". Offense is not his problem. He can and will create offense anywhere --- he may easily be charged with other coaching insufficiencies, but he's forgotten more offense than almost anyone knows, and for sure IE board posters.
 
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Bogtrotter07 said:
But I did! I thought Charlie Weis was the second coming. I already said that. And his resume was flawed too. This is the analogy. Not the specific resume experience; the walking into a perfect setting to maximize initially, and giving all credit to the head coach.
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Thing is, Hoke has done it at other stops as a head coach. CW hadn't, so that's where you lose me at the analogy. Like you, I bought the CW hype, hook, line and sinker. It happens. I skew positive like you do, so I ignored the warming signs for far too long. But again, for Hoke, at this time...dude is money. Can't deny that.

Now, Johnny makes the tip of the point. What RichRod left on offense, (Denard) was exactly what Hoke needed and allowed him to excell. Normaly I would agree 100 % with Mike and Johnny about year three, but this is entirely about the aura factor. I have talked to more people with whom I agree that three to five wins, which would have precluded the VT win, were how shall I say? Luck. Odds are they won't have the luck this year. If they don't, how will they respond. Normally, year three says a lot; this is why I included year two. It shows something extra, just a little different look. An experiment if you will.
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No doubt, Michigan had a TON of luck last year (when has a team EVER recovered 80% of all fumbles???) And I have Michigan taking a big step back for several reasons (schedule, WRs, line problems, less luck and more injuries that inevitably occur to every program). So we agree there. Still doesn't take away from what Hoke has done thus far. I think Michigan will lose many more games this year, and I still believe that Hoke is a very good coach.

Now ND, I feel a bit dogged in general over the last two or three days. But I feel as if you are following a little close. I agree with you some, considering you don't know me. In fact, I identified problems with Molnar, Hinton, and Warriner before most. I had a problem with certain 12 recruits. I thought Decker and Darby would wander. I commented on Darby's 90 some percent committed comment. Never had any use for Lynch. I think I am incredibly perseptive, but also very gung ho. Sometimes to my detriment as you have noted. But that is exactly why so many that have really known me, say that I am the first one they would have wanted to take into a fight, thirty-five years later.
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Bogs, you post a lot, way too much for me to follow you closely. I see posts that catch my eye and I respond. Trust me, it has nothing to do with following you too closely. Look at how all your posts in the past month and see how many I've responded to.

If you saw problems with those coaches before they were fired, good on you. I saw it with Molnar, but didn't with Hinton nor Warriner. I believe you say that you've seen the bad in ND and called it out. But the past like 4-5 months, when someone tries to say something negative about ND or BK, you jump in to defend ND/BK. That's why I said that before.

I have four kids under ten bothering me, so I am making the best I can in posting.
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I have a 10 month-old, I can't imagine dealing with 4!
 
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Just keep it up and you will know what I am going through, not a curse, or a promise, just a statement of fact. First a new location, better for a family, then a mini-van, then watch out!!! *

Warriner's name started coming up for too many opportunities, and he didn't say no. Then it seemed there were too many rumors about coaching conflicts centered around, guess who . . .

Hinton, who is probably one of the few who talk more than I do, said from the day he was hired he wanted to get back to Ohio! And he repeated it! Then when his brother let it slip, and Hinton deflected it. I watched Kelly, and he said "No one has contacted me, which I would expect in this situation." That was a done deal. (That is exactly the kind of comment a cheated upon spouse makes.)

In fact, replacing Molnar with Martin, well they tried to tell everyone, will make a huge difference, maybe a touchdown or two a game. And, one thing leads to another, coaching harmony, qb development and maturity, and etc.

At this point I would like to thank my friend and mentor, a '55 grad, the original bogtrotter, who is making it possible for me to attend the Michigan and Pittsburg game this year. I owe this man so much more than a few tickets, I cannot even express it; Seo duit, a Shéamais!

I hope we all can work something out so I can buy a couple of you a drink, maybe several times when I am in town.

* I have seven children, and all but one will see an ND game this season.
 
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Bogtrotter07 said:
Just keep it up and you will know what I am going through, not a curse, or a promise, just a statement of fact. First a new location, better for a family, then a mini-van, then watch out!!! *

Warriner's name started coming up for too many opportunities, and he didn't say no. Then it seemed there were too many rumors about coaching conflicts centered around, guess who . . .

Hinton, who is probably one of the few who talk more than I do, said from the day he was hired he wanted to get back to Ohio! And he repeated it! Then when his brother let it slip, and Hinton deflected it. I watched Kelly, and he said "No one has contacted me, which I would expect in this situation." That was a done deal. (That is exactly the kind of comment a cheated upon spouse makes.)

In fact, replacing Molnar with Martin, well they tried to tell everyone, will make a huge difference, maybe a touchdown or two a game. And, one thing leads to another, coaching harmony, qb development and maturity, and etc.

At this point I would like to thank my friend and mentor, a '55 grad, the original bogtrotter, who is making it possible for me to attend the Michigan and Pittsburg game this year. I owe this man so much more than a few tickets, I cannot even express it; Seo duit, a Shéamais!

I hope we all can work something out so I can buy a couple of you a drink, maybe several times when I am in town.

* I have seven children, and all but one will see an ND game this season.
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Sneaky but much admiration! Reps!
 
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so you have 2 more spots now? What positions on you targeting? I assume WR with Treadwell.
 
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WR is a must, RB and best available I would guess. But that's coming from a arm chair coach, I'm fine with whatever Hoke and Co. do.
 
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IrishLax said:
Oh look, another low 3:s: "leaves" the program....
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Surprise!

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Per ESPN, Shane Morris and his Warren could not get their offense moving at all vs. Cleveland St. Ignatius. Morris finished the afternoon 9-of-22 for 104 yards with no touchdowns and two interceptions.

Yikes.
 
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Ironman8 said:
Per ESPN, Shane Morris and his Warren could not get their offense moving at all vs. Cleveland St. Ignatius. Morris finished the afternoon 9-of-22 for 104 yards with no touchdowns and two interceptions.

Yikes.
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Sounds like the stat line from a certain michigan QB from this past weekend.
 
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Good old Iggy! Wow, I wonder if that is what it is going to be like if he has to play against competition.
 
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Ironman8 said:
Per ESPN, Shane Morris and his Warren could not get their offense moving at all vs. Cleveland St. Ignatius. Morris finished the afternoon 9-of-22 for 104 yards with no touchdowns and two interceptions.

Yikes.
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To be fair, Ignatius is a perennial powerhouse in Ohio from what my friends tell me
 
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Ironman8 said:
Per ESPN, Shane Morris and his Warren could not get their offense moving at all vs. Cleveland St. Ignatius. Morris finished the afternoon 9-of-22 for 104 yards with no touchdowns and two interceptions.

Yikes.
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Shane has mononucleosis right now...probably a contributing factor. As is also the fact he has zero skill position help on his team and a porous defense. Kid has no weapons.
 
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TheTeam16 said:
Shane has mononucleosis right now...probably a contributing factor. As is also the fact he has zero skill position help on his team and a porous defense. Kid has no weapons.
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He's had it for three weeks already? Any other excuses you can throw in there real quick?
 
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PS. I know someone at the IGGY game. Morris seemed to be running pretty fast, (for his life).
 
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Haha I absolutely love it. Their QB situation is going to be messed up for a while, and they're going to go through the same growing pains as ND has been going through.
 
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I don't know.... When we were dating my wife got Mono and was practically confined to her bed for a few months. Whenever she mustered up the energy to get up and do something it never lasted long. It also started as general fatigue and soreness for a while. Id say its the main proponent in his slump.

The kid is an obvious talent and I hope he makes a full recovery... And goes on to get his *** kicked at Michigan.
 
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