All Things pOSU

[Irish#1]

after reading that link, I’m speechless. Lol

 

[OhioIrish31]

"Two weeks" is up...Tick-tock! Tick-Tock! Hopefully somebody snuck in and scoured the coach's area and removed the cock-rings and the like.

 

[BGIF]

Did OSU award Urban his gold pants yet?

 

[TheSunIsRising]

The 'independent' investigative report has been submitted to the BoT. Seems like Oscar is the only one who has looked at the report that does not have deep ties to OSU

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[saturdaysarebetter]

Thee Official Sextoy University

 

[Sea Turtle]

The 'independent' investigative report has been submitted to the BoT. Seems like Oscar is the only one who has looked at the report that does not have deep ties to OSU

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It's amazing that they were able to complete this in two weeks in the metoo era while ND spent half a year, 3 investigative teams and criminal forensic technology to find out that a girl was helping some players write papers.

I think when it's all said and done, Jim Harbaugh is going to be very disappointed.

 

[dang227]

Man I hate OSU


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[TheSunIsRising]

It's amazing that they were able to complete this in two weeks in the metoo era while ND spent half a year, 3 investigative teams and criminal forensic technology to find out that a girl was helping some players write papers.

I think when it's all said and done, Jim Harbaugh is going to be very disappointed.

Well, the last page of the report covers that; nothing like a good can of white paint... (#whitewash)

https://goo.gl/images/zrt2sS


Yes, he will more than likely be disappointed early this week, and also be disappointed for the 4th straight season on November 24th

 

[Irish#1]

 

[Irish#1]

Well, the last page of the report covers that; nothing like a good can of white paint... (#whitewash)

https://goo.gl/images/zrt2sS


Yes, he will more than likely be disappointed early this week, and also be disappointed for the 4th straight season on November 24th

I'm not sure he does survive.
1. The committee that investigated aren't all OSU biased.
2. OSU has a history of protecting their football image.
3. If that report recommends UM be released, he'll be gone. Pieces of the report will eventually leak somewhere. OSU can't afford to go against a firing recommendation and later have it leaked they went against the committee. Bad publicity.
4. AD will be gone regardless.
5. Holtman had a lady come in and address the bball team on treating women with respect. He invited all other athletes to attend. Holtman set a high bar for other OSU coaches. May not look good to keep UM on board with Holtman representing what a HC should be.

 

[ulukinatme]

I'm not sure he does survive.
1. The committee that investigated aren't all OSU biased.

Certainly not all of the committee was OSU biased, but there were enough players involved that had ties to make you wonder. Some of the other members weren't directly tied to OSU per say, but they were government officials in Ohio that may still have ties indirectly. Point is, they touted this as an "independent" investigation, but it surely isn't.

That said, I agree with most of your other points, and to that end I'm not sure how this will go. I could see the committee going either way. Tressel got let go basically for the same reason, lying, but the circumstances were a little different since the NCAA was directly involved with the tattoo investigation. Also, a lot of people in Columbus were getting tired of Tressel at that time due to the fact he got completely flattened in back to back NCG appearances after his win against Miami. His defenses were strong, but his offenses were blander than vanilla in an era where the Spread was being adopted everywhere.

 

[Ndaccountant]

I'm not sure he does survive.
1. The committee that investigated aren't all OSU biased.
2. OSU has a history of protecting their football image.
3. If that report recommends UM be released, he'll be gone. Pieces of the report will eventually leak somewhere. OSU can't afford to go against a firing recommendation and later have it leaked they went against the committee. Bad publicity.
4. AD will be gone regardless.
5. Holtman had a lady come in and address the bball team on treating women with respect. He invited all other athletes to attend. Holtman set a high bar for other OSU coaches. May not look good to keep UM on board with Holtman representing what a HC should be.

To me it's about control. No CEO can speak for the personal choices individual workers make in their personal life. But when that CEO 1) becomes aware of potential serious issues and 2) interjects himself in said dispute, the excuse is void.

I know many of OSU fans that insist there was no conviction, so what was Urban to do? Well, for one, don't hire the guy to OSU. Two, don't give him the highest rating possible in his 2015 performance review for (paraphrasing the wording) "representing the University in the highest regard". Don't extend his contract. Don't lie about it. Urban clearly didn't control the situation and now it comes out that Smith's sexual encounters and novelties in the football offices included everything short of a Sybian. Meyer can't make the decisions for Smith, but he loses the right to claim "well, he wasn't convicted, so...." when he chose to hire him back. Meyer didn't have control (like at UF).

 

[NDohio]

Certainly not all of the committee was OSU biased, but there were enough players involved that had ties to make you wonder. Some of the other members weren't directly tied to OSU per say, but they were government officials in Ohio that may still have ties indirectly. Point is, they touted this as an "independent" investigation, but it surely isn't.

That said, I agree with most of your other points, and to that end I'm not sure how this will go. I could see the committee going either way. Tressel got let go basically for the same reason, lying, but the circumstances were a little different since the NCAA was directly involved with the tattoo investigation. Also, a lot of people in Columbus were getting tired of Tressel at that time due to the fact he got completely flattened in back to back NCG appearances after his win against Miami. His defenses were strong, but his offenses were blander than vanilla in an era where the Spread was being adopted everywhere.

I think this is the biggest difference between the two situations. It seemed like Tressel's time in C-bus was up and tattoo-gate was a convenient out.

 

[Ndaccountant]

I think this is the biggest difference between the two situations. It seemed like Tressel's time in C-bus was up and tattoo-gate was a convenient out.

JT was originally slapped on the wrist and he actually recommended a more significant suspension than what he received at first. It wasn't until the NCAA got involved that the university got fierce.

 

[NDIrish88]

Wonder who is the first to decommit. Does anyone really want to be associated with this?

 

[Irish#1]

To me it's about control. No CEO can speak for the personal choices individual workers make in their personal life. But when that CEO 1) becomes aware of potential serious issues and 2) interjects himself in said dispute, the excuse is void.

I know many of OSU fans that insist there was no conviction, so what was Urban to do? Well, for one, don't hire the guy to OSU. Two, don't give him the highest rating possible in his 2015 performance review for (paraphrasing the wording) "representing the University in the highest regard". Don't extend his contract. Don't lie about it. Urban clearly didn't control the situation and now it comes out that Smith's sexual encounters and novelties in the football offices included everything short of a Sybian. Meyer can't make the decisions for Smith, but he loses the right to claim "well, he wasn't convicted, so...." when he chose to hire him back. Meyer didn't have control (like at UF).

In a round about way. It's about what UM knew. However, it's well known that UM is a control freak like most major HFBC's which ties back to what he knew. The recent Smith sex story doesn't help. The unnamed person is no longer in the football department? UM had to know about that and probably approve it to get them moved out.

I've been wondering what the NCAA has done up to this point? Have they asked for details or are they sitting back waiting for the decision before they jump in, thump their chest then do nothing?

 

[Blazers46]

Wonder who is the first to decommit. Does anyone really want to be associated with this?

The only way it affects he recruiting class is if Meyer is coaching the team or not. The majority of people pretend to care about morals.

 

[greyhammer90]

The majority of people pretend to care about morals.

See: Annie Apple

 

[stlnd01]

Certainly not all of the committee was OSU biased, but there were enough players involved that had ties to make you wonder. Some of the other members weren't directly tied to OSU per say, but they were government officials in Ohio that may still have ties indirectly. Point is, they touted this as an "independent" investigation, but it surely isn't.
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All it would take is one committee member to come out in public, disagree with its findings, and say “This was a sham, it was baked to protect Meyer from the start,” and the whole thing goes out the window. I don’t know if that would happen, but I don’t know that it wouldn’t, and neither does Ohio State. They kind of do have to keep this on the level.

 

[Ndaccountant]

If Maryland does in fact fire Durkin, the AD and President, I wonder if/how that impacts OSU trying to save face publicly. Clearly the death of a player is more severe than the allegations at OSU. But the school acted quickly and when there wasn't a rebuke internally after the incident, the BOT canned them all. With all the swirl surrounding the laundry list of allegations and all the other crap going on with the wrestling coach, etc, I wonder if the BOT is going to send a message. I am still thinking Meyer gets 3 games and Gene Smith gets tossed.

 

[snoopdog]

The irony of firing Gene Smith

Will this mean that OSU will hire a AD who will be all over UM on every little issue and transgression going forward?

Not a chance in hell.

 

[koonja]

The irony of firing Gene Smith

Will this mean that OSU will hire a AD who will be all over UM on every little issue and transgression going forward?

Not a chance in hell.

Breaking: Gene Smith out as OSU AD.

Breaking: Art Briles hired as OSU AD.

 

[stlnd01]

The irony of firing Gene Smith

Will this mean that OSU will hire a AD who will be all over UM on every little issue and transgression going forward?

Not a chance in hell.

Right. What kind of message do you send if you fire Gene Smith but keep Urban Meyer? You might as well just hand him the keys to the university.

 

[Ndaccountant]

Right. What kind of message do you send if you fire Gene Smith but keep Urban Meyer? You might as well just hand him the keys to the university.

Depends. What is Urban reported it to Gene, but Gene did nothing or told him to stand down? Sure. Urban still shoulders the blame to a degree. But Gene is the one who failed more in his role in that scenario.

 

[ab2cmiller]

Depends. What is Urban reported it to Gene, but Gene did nothing or told him to stand down? Sure. Urban still shoulders the blame to a degree. But Gene is the one who failed more in his role in that scenario.

This will be the stance of all pOSU fans. I'm not sure if it will stand up to the scrutiny as most outsiders will rightfully point out that Urban is one with all the power in the relationship with Gene Smith.

 

[Ndaccountant]

This will be the stance of all pOSU fans. I'm not sure if it will stand up to the scrutiny as most outsiders will rightfully point out that Urban is one with all the power in the relationship with Gene Smith.

without knowing the IDP's, nearly impossible to tell. Hopefully any announcement also contains the full report.

 

[stlnd01]

Depends. What is Urban reported it to Gene, but Gene did nothing or told him to stand down? Sure. Urban still shoulders the blame to a degree. But Gene is the one who failed more in his role in that scenario.

Gene Smith could have - and probably should have, though we don’t yet know - done more. But assistant coaches work for the head coach, not the AD. Whatever Smith knew, it’s safe to assume Meyer knew as well. Even if Meyer fulfilled his Title IX reporting obligation and met the letter of his contract, he’s the one responsible for his staff and kept Zach Smith on his sideline and in his locker room. I don’t see how this is only Gene Smith’s fault.

 

[Ndaccountant]

Gene Smith could have - and probably should have, though we don’t yet know - done more. But assistant coaches work for the head coach, not the AD. Whatever Smith knew, it’s safe to assume Meyer knew as well. Even if Meyer fulfilled his Title IX reporting obligation and met the letter of his contract, he’s the one responsible for his staff and kept Zach Smith on his sideline and in his locker room. I don’t see how this is only Gene Smith’s fault.

Agree. Hence my prediction that they will put the focus on Gene and make him the fall guy but still hit Urban with a suspension.

 

[stlnd01]

Agree. Hence my prediction that they will put the focus on Gene and make him the fall guy but still hit Urban with a suspension.

I agree I would bet that’s what they WILL do. I do not think it’s what they SHOULD do. It effectively absolves the head coach of responsibility for his own assistants.

 

[Ndaccountant]

I agree I would bet that’s what they WILL do. I do not think it’s what they SHOULD do. It effectively absolves the head coach of responsibility for his own assistants.

agree 100%. It's like the corporate governance scandals of the early 2000s....everyone knows what happened but not everyone was held accountable to the extent they should have.