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I wouldn't call that being "in trouble"
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When somebody finds a violation that they're are willing to file to the Conference/NCAA than they thread might have some meat. This is grumbling.
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I'm confused
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What Neal situation. Please elaborate
I re-worded. My bad
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Good news is, the conference got their 4 year scholly rule in before Urbie could get a foothold, and start his crap.
Unfortunately, there isn't anything in place to reign in Urbie's conduct on the recruiting trail, so guess what...Urbie's standard will become the standrad of recruiting in the Big 10.
Its like a big giant negative political campaign out there full of lies and distortions with absolutely no honor or dignity...
Sorry Big 10, but one thing you will share with the SEC is a disgusting recruiting cycle every year...bet you all are happy to have Urbie on board...
Unfortunately, there isn't anything in place to reign in Urbie's conduct on the recruiting trail, so guess what...Urbie's standard will become the standrad of recruiting in the Big 10.
Its like a big giant negative political campaign out there full of lies and distortions with absolutely no honor or dignity...
Sorry Big 10, but one thing you will share with the SEC is a disgusting recruiting cycle every year...bet you all are happy to have Urbie on board...
Espn article about it: Meyer's recruiting methods under fire - Big Ten Blog - ESPN
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He gone
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Its frowned upon in the Big 10. RichRod went through the same thing.
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Do you think high school kids pay attention to this stuff? Or do they not care....?
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I love this Bielema quote.....
"We at the Big Ten don't want to be like the SEC -- in any way, shape or form."
I assume they wouldn't mind being "like the SEC" when it comes to winning national titles, but he's right, the Big Ten is nothing like the SEC in that respect.
What a dope Bielema sounds like with such a stupid, self-righteous statement and his 64% graduation rate.
"We at the Big Ten don't want to be like the SEC -- in any way, shape or form."
I assume they wouldn't mind being "like the SEC" when it comes to winning national titles, but he's right, the Big Ten is nothing like the SEC in that respect.
What a dope Bielema sounds like with such a stupid, self-righteous statement and his 64% graduation rate.
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This is the concept I want to see explored and talked about. Yeh Bielema is crying but his point is well taken. Classes, work load, what it takes to stay eligible, what these guys are told when they are recruited, the overall culture provided by the university to win football games with 85 guys on cumpus to entertain on Saturday. Places like Notre Dame are still college-Bielema brings up the point of will it trend to pro football like the SEC. If Notre Dame did this there would be widespread critisism amd panic. But when certain other people do it its 'hey we're operating within the rules'. This gentlemen is precisely whats wrong with college football. Their should be penalties for recruits being stolen and it should be on both the player and the school that is doing the thieving. If a kid gives his verbal then he should have to sit out a year if he does not follow thru. I dont understand why a kid would state his intentions then end up somewhere else-have a brain and wait till you know what the hell your doing. Yes and that includes Notre Dame when they get kids who change their mind. This whole thing is horse$%#@! It provides for a culture of dishonesty. See Alabama if you need a specific example. Meyer is just doing what he has been taught by the good ole SEC.
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I get what the guy was trying to say...and I agree Urbie is a slime ball of never ending proportions...
but Bielema should have specifically identified the behvior he thought Urbie engaged in that was Illegal...if you don't do that you look like a sore loser, I do agree with that....well, and a 64% graduation rate is not going to get john Q public on your side either.
...but Urbie is for sure going to turn the Big into a scummy, nasty snake pit for recruiting...I have no doubt.
No. Look at how much attention recruits paid to OSU's and USC sanctions.
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Agreed. You don't have to convince me that Urban is a shady character, and I hated Ohio State with all my might BEFORE Urban got there. But the Big Ten is engaged in self-delusion if it thinks, or its coaches think, they are somehow so much better (better morally and ethically, they mean; it's obvious they are not better football-wise) than the SEC and its coaches. In a way, Urbie's presence will shake that tiny little fig leaf from the Big Ten's even tinier "junk" of moral superiority.
How many big10 schools over sign, fire under performing or injured players, grey shirt, employ a recruits parent or girl friend, suddenly discover the coaching genius of a five star recruits high school coach and offer him a choice coaching job on the staff, consider all granted scholarships of the one year variety, replace players with one semester morons to use as backups when unexpected injuries occur, and have an organized farm system of jcs to stock the trenches?
I think the big10 has a ways to go if they want to match the SEC (and a couple of other conferences I can think of)!
I think the big10 has a ways to go if they want to match the SEC (and a couple of other conferences I can think of)!
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Interesting article on meyer on si.com. Here is a little piece about Decker.
"Besides Spence, Meyer's No. 1 target was 6-8 tackle Taylor Decker, a Vandalia, Ohio, native who had committed to Notre Dame. "He's a tall, angular tackle," said Meyer. "He's exactly what we wanted."
Decker's primary recruiter in South Bend had been running backs coach Tim Hinton. On Jan. 2, Meyer hired two Notre Dame assistants: Hinton and offensive line coach Ed Warriner.
"Taylor Decker recruited us," said Meyer. "He called me and said, 'I want to be a Buckeye.' Whoa, what are you talking about? ... Then his high school coach called us said, He wants to come to Ohio State."
Decker arrived Jan. 14 for a visit and committed the next day.
Then, a couple of days later, along came the linebacker reinforcements: David Perkins (South Bend, Ind.) and Camren Williams (West Roxbury, Mass.), the latter another Penn State defector. The staff's only (thin) connection to Williams was that the player's father, Brent, once played for the New England Patriots, as did Vrabel a decade later.
"That was a long process," said Meyer. "They came back twice to visit." When Meyer had to dismiss two reserve cornerbacks for disciplinary issues, he stepped up his pursuit of Williams' teammate, four-star cornerback Armani Reeves, who wound up choosing the Buckeyes over archrival Michigan."
Urban Meyer's 2012 Ohio State recruiting class Signing Day hit - Stewart Mandel - SI.com
"Besides Spence, Meyer's No. 1 target was 6-8 tackle Taylor Decker, a Vandalia, Ohio, native who had committed to Notre Dame. "He's a tall, angular tackle," said Meyer. "He's exactly what we wanted."
Decker's primary recruiter in South Bend had been running backs coach Tim Hinton. On Jan. 2, Meyer hired two Notre Dame assistants: Hinton and offensive line coach Ed Warriner.
"Taylor Decker recruited us," said Meyer. "He called me and said, 'I want to be a Buckeye.' Whoa, what are you talking about? ... Then his high school coach called us said, He wants to come to Ohio State."
Decker arrived Jan. 14 for a visit and committed the next day.
Then, a couple of days later, along came the linebacker reinforcements: David Perkins (South Bend, Ind.) and Camren Williams (West Roxbury, Mass.), the latter another Penn State defector. The staff's only (thin) connection to Williams was that the player's father, Brent, once played for the New England Patriots, as did Vrabel a decade later.
"That was a long process," said Meyer. "They came back twice to visit." When Meyer had to dismiss two reserve cornerbacks for disciplinary issues, he stepped up his pursuit of Williams' teammate, four-star cornerback Armani Reeves, who wound up choosing the Buckeyes over archrival Michigan."
Urban Meyer's 2012 Ohio State recruiting class Signing Day hit - Stewart Mandel - SI.com
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Saw that. Were Decker and his coach lying when they said Meyer called and asked to talk to Decker and he said no thanks?
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Seems like Urban is lying again, didn't they contact decker he said no thanks, and then hinton got hired and they tried again to contact him. He then decided to take a visit and then switched his pledge. I thought after Meyer originally got the job Decker reaffirmed his commitment with ND originally? I'm not positive on this time line of events but thats what I remember happening.
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"Of the ten players that committed to Ohio State after Meyer became head coach, eight had previously committed to other schools."
Holy $hit! And it's not like he was hired in January; he'd been at OSU since the end of November.
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You can't bitch about someone stealing your recruits. You can bitch about oversigning and cutting kids though.