2016 Fall Camp Thread

[Sherm Sticky]

He doesn't have game breaking speed or size. And hasn't had great production to this point. I think he'll be really solid, but I don't think he's a guy defenses need to plan for. I hope I am laughed at for saying he's just that: Solid and dependable.

If someone offered me right now that he'd catch 55 balls for 800 yards and 7 TDs this year, I'd take it. To me that's solid and dependable. That's no JuJu Smith.

No one in college football is Juju Smith. That is why he is the best WR and will be the first WR picked come April.

Tori Hunter may not be a "burner". He doesn't have Will Fuller speed. But he runs under a 4.5, is smart, runs good routes, knows how to position his body, has good hands and just knows how to get open. The kids is a legit college P5 number 1.

You do remember he was a top 150 recruit. He tore it up at the Opening, think he might have been the MVP. This kid is not riding his fathers coat tails, he is really good.


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[Wild Bill]

regardless, can't even imagine having to sit down with one of them and tell that young man we're going with the other guy. fvvvvvvck

Give me BK's contract and I'd bench my own mother.

 

[Irish YJ]

Yea, it's very easy for me to sit here and say, Kizer is my guy. However, it'd be a much more difficult decision should I have to tell Zaire to his face. If I was Bk, I'd have Denbrock and Sanford tag team that conversation

Especially having to tell MZ he's #2 after telling his mom it's his team the day of the injury.... can you imagine how MZ's mom would feel. Tough stuff all around. I never thought that I'd say it,,,,, but I'd like to see both play. They both are great prospects, and have different +s and -s. For instance I think MZ would be better vs TX, while I'd take DK vs the Stanford and USC.

 

[IrishLax]

I would start Zaire and play both. Evaluate how they've played through week 2 (assuming someone doesn't stink up the joint) and go with "the guy" for MSU.

 

[Irish YJ]

I would start Zaire and play both. Evaluate how they've played through week 2 (assuming someone doesn't stink up the joint) and go with "the guy" for MSU.

yup. Let each one start a game (1st two). Flip a quarter if they can't decide on who starts which game. Go with whoever balls out best.

 

[Bubbles]

I would start Zaire and play both. Evaluate how they've played through week 2 (assuming someone doesn't stink up the joint) and go with "the guy" for MSU.

In direct contrast to the election, I would be perfectly happy with either or both!

 

[woolybug25]

I would start Zaire and play both. Evaluate how they've played through week 2 (assuming someone doesn't stink up the joint) and go with "the guy" for MSU.

My only gripe with this is that both of these guys are pretty green when it comes to game experience, Malik even more so. I would prefer BK pick a starter soon and either a) roll with him or b) roll with him and have packages for the other.

Many on here unfairly see Kizer as a guy with a ton of experience. While he certainly has a lot more than Malik, one season (not even a full one) is not a ton of time. Most guys in his situation, would be still be considered green and primed for a second year improvement. I'm personally ready to have that 3 year starter again (assuming he would stay).

If we went that route, the starter would benefit greatly by getting the lion's share of reps before we head to Austin. We have to start thinking about what's best for the team moving forward. That requires the decisive action of appointing on the starter. Just my opinion.

 

[koonja]

I've got all of my vbucks that Malik starts. Who wants a piece pussies.

 

[woolybug25]

Yea, it's very easy for me to sit here and say, Kizer is my guy. However, it'd be a much more difficult decision should I have to tell Zaire to his face. If I was Bk, I'd have Denbrock and Sanford tag team that conversation

I would prefer BK tell them to their face. He's the leader of this team and you don't delegate something like that. These guys have put their heart and souls into trying to earn this job, they deserve better than getting tossed over to the assistants. They deserve an explanation, an understanding of where they stand on the team (when they will be used, etc) and his respect. Being a strong leader means that you have to have the tough conversations.

 

[phgreek]

I would prefer BK tell them to their face. He's the leader of this team and you don't delegate something like that. These guys have put their heart and souls into trying to earn this job, they deserve better than getting tossed over to the assistants. They deserve an explanation, an understanding of where they stand on the team (when they will be used, etc) and his respect. Being a strong leader means that you have to have the tough conversations.

...Yea, well said.

 

[phgreek]

I've got all of my vbucks that Malik starts. Who wants a piece pussies.

I would just cus you went schoolyard dare...

But I already picked Malik.

 

[Luckylucci]

I would prefer BK tell them to their face. He's the leader of this team and you don't delegate something like that. These guys have put their heart and souls into trying to earn this job, they deserve better than getting tossed over to the assistants. They deserve an explanation, an understanding of where they stand on the team (when they will be used, etc) and his respect. Being a strong leader means that you have to have the tough conversations.

I was being facetious. I don't want Kelly to do that. Suppose I could've done more to show that.

 

[GreyWorm]

I have a feeling the decision will be made soon, but it probably won't be leaked to the media until closer to Texas or I could see them just rolling out the news at game time.

No benefit in letting Texas prepare for one guy more than the other. Make'em prepare for both.

 

[ScooterIrish]

No one in college football is Juju Smith. That is why he is the best WR and will be the first WR picked come April.

I'll eat my shorts if JuJu is picked before Mike Williams from Clemson...

 

[koonja]

So everyone thinks it's Kizer but no one wants 34 trillion vbucks to be right? Yall are half way crooks.

 

[dublinirish]

So everyone thinks it's Kizer but no one wants 34 trillion vbucks to be right? Yall are half way crooks.

Freeman, Mike Frank and Jamie U on ISD podcast all think it's gonna be Zaire.

 

[gkIrish]

So everyone thinks it's Kizer but no one wants 34 trillion vbucks to be right? Yall are half way crooks.

I don't trust that BK will make the right personnel decision (see: Joe Schmidt).

He has that Showtime clip hanging over his head which I think actually plays a big part in all this.

 

[koonja]

Freeman, Mike Frank and Jamie U on ISD podcast all think it's gonna be Zaire.

Freeman doesn't, he's was just being a prisoner of the moment. He's charmin soft. The others sure sound like they do, though.

 

[ResLife Hero]

I don't trust that BK will make the right personnel decision (see: Joe Schmidt).

He has that Showtime clip hanging over his head which I think actually plays a big part in all this.

I wondered about that as soon as it aired. Not sure if it's actually going to be a factor in the QB battle, but if Kizer starts against UT, I would expect tons of coaches to play that card with recruits.

 

[koonja]

I don't think the Showtime thing will factor in both inside of the ND family and outside. If that's shown to a level headed, average college football fan the first response would be 'yeah but wasn't Kizer really good that year?'.

 

[Blaise]

I think it should be Kizer but I am not at practice every day.. I trust Kelly and what he has done with this program... If he starts Zaire, I am going to assume he beat out Kizer and vice versa

 

[NDohio]

I don't trust that BK will make the right personnel decision (see: Joe Schmidt).

He has that Showtime clip hanging over his head which I think actually plays a big part in all this.

I agree with this. That clip is seriously biting him in the butt right now.

 

[Irish#1]

Important things to remember when debating who should start:

1. DK ran the ball much better then anyone thought he could, so I'm not sure MZ has a big advantage in the run game.
2. Sorry Koon, you cannot compare MZ's one game performance against DK's entire season.
3. I mentioned that I think Hunter will be a stud this year. I didn't say he would replace Fuller. Two different players and positions. I made my statement about Hunter, because of his performance last year which was very good even with Fuller on the field. More than once Hunter displayed outstanding hands and the ability to catch the ball while being mugged. Given having a nice year under his belt, I can see Hunter turning some of those intermediate routes into big gains.
4. Unless MZ totally outshines DK in camp, BK with go with a proven commodity, with MZ getting reps depending on the circumstances.

 

[Irish Insanity]

So everyone thinks it's Kizer but no one wants 34 trillion vbucks to be right? Yall are half way crooks.

I don't think everyone 'thinks' it's gonna be Kizer. I think everyone 'wants' it to be Kizer

I don't trust that BK will make the right personnel decision (see: Joe Schmidt).

He has that Showtime clip hanging over his head which I think actually plays a big part in all this.

This

 

[koonja]

I bet BK gives zero Fs about the showtime clip and will choose the QB he/Sanford think will protect their millions of dollars, and give them the best chance at joining college football invincibility by winning a championship at ND for the first time in over 25 years.

Zaire is getting his chance. If he's the better QB, he'll start. Not because of a showtime clip. The 11 win season will justify why he chooses who he chooses. BK doesn't have time for petty drama.

 

[gkIrish]

I bet BK gives zero Fs about the showtime clip and will choose the QB he/Sanford think will protect their millions of dollars, and give them the best chance at joining college football invincibility by winning a championship at ND for the first time in over 25 years.

Zaire is getting his chance. If he's the better QB, he'll start. Not because of a showtime clip. BK doesn't have time for petty drama.

It's not about "petty drama." It will have a direct impact on recruiting. How would you feel as a parent if you knew the coach is willing to lie to your face?**

**I don't think BK did anything wrong. He was trying to console MZ's mom and of course he didn't mean that Malik would be guaranteed to start again post-injury. But what I or we think is not what matters. It's what recruits' parents will think.

 

[koonja]

It's not about "petty drama." It will have a direct impact on recruiting. How would you feel as a parent if you knew the coach is willing to lie to your face?

It's pretty justifiable. "Did you see how Kizer played? Things change and I give everyone a fair chance to compete. No one is guaranteed playing time, and as a true freshman, that should make you feel good because you can come in and compete against the seniors. If you're the best player to help us win, you will play. If not, we will develop you to get ready for the big stage. I was almost certain Zaire would be our future, as a veteran leader of our team. But an underclassman came in and was the better player the following year".

I literally see the showtime clip as nothing and will impact nothing, QB choice or recruiting. Just my opinion.

 

[Blaise]

I bet BK gives zero Fs about the showtime clip and will choose the QB he/Sanford think will protect their millions of dollars, and give them the best chance at joining college football invincibility by winning a championship at ND for the first time in over 25 years.

Zaire is getting his chance. If he's the better QB, he'll start. Not because of a showtime clip. The 11 win season will justify why he chooses who he chooses. BK doesn't have time for petty drama.

Cant believe I am saying this, but I agree with Koon here.. Coaches say things all the time, especially with an injured player.. They want them to still feel part of the team and still engage. At end of the day however, he didn't see Kizer having the year he did. I think Kelly will decide on which player gives him the best chance to win against Texas, MSU, Stanford and USC and will pick that guy.. Not because he told Zaire it was his team 11 months ago

 

[Rack Em]

I think we should just let MVG play QB. It's his turn because Zaire, Kizer, and Wimbush have already played.

 

[Wild Bill]

What role does kizer's NFL potential play in the decision? It would be hard for me to ignore it if I was making the decision. I prefer Zaire but it's hard to keep nfl talent on the bench.