2016 Fall Camp Thread

[Pops Freshenmeyer]

Are we talking about the pitch option? I hate the pitch option.

 

[dublinirish]

I don't think so because like I said, Zaire has the whole play book too. He can run the option or take a shotgun snap.

I know - But regardless of past injury, I think you only run the option with 1 (doesn't matter which) because you don't want to expose both. Since Zaire is the best option QB, it'd be him.

Is there any evidence of this? Kizer has done fine with nearly all aspects of the running game. There's nothing Zaire can do that he can't do better

 

[koonja]

Is there any evidence of this? Kizer has done fine with nearly all aspects of the running game. There's nothing Zaire can do that he can't do better

Not this again, lol. I don't have evidence, but I strongly believe Zaire would run the option better than Kizer. He stays lower to the ground, is faster, and likely stronger.

 

[connor_in]

I don't think so because like I said, Zaire has the whole play book too. He can run the option or take a shotgun snap.

I know - But regardless of past injury, I think you only run the option with 1 (doesn't matter which) because you don't want to expose both. Since Zaire is the best option QB, it'd be him.

If you play both, then you run both otherwise the defense is looking for it. If you lose a QB then whoever is left backs off running very much.

Not this again, lol. I don't have evidence, but I strongly believe Zaire would run the option better than Kizer. He stays lower to the ground, is faster, and likely stronger.

MZ may be better at it but that's not the point. DK is the better passer but that doesn't mean you don't let MZ throw the ball

 

[koonja]

If you play both, then you run both otherwise the defense is looking for it. If you lose a QB then whoever is left backs off running very much.

To me, it's not so much about the defense looking for it. It's causing them to spend half of the week working on option responsibilities rather than 100% dedication to stopping our normal offense.

 

[NDohio]

The question with Weishar was always if he could maintain athleticism while adding enough weight... the ideas being expressed by a certain poster are equal parts ridiculous, uninformed, and trollish. That is all.

Also, some rumors we picked up another significant injury today to someone who could've been a significant contributor... will have to wait for confirmation.

Did I miss this being confirmed or are we still waiting. Sorry, trying to catch up...

 

[IrishLax]

Did I miss this being confirmed or are we still waiting. Sorry, trying to catch up...

Nah, all good, it was false alarm.

 

[arrowryan]

Nah, all good, it was false alarm.

Was it the false alarm Dexter Williams? I read that he went down on his shoulder pretty hard at the end of practice but the fall looked worse than it actually was.

 

[dublinirish]

To me, it's not so much about the defense looking for it. It's causing them to spend half of the week working on option responsibilities rather than 100% dedication to stopping our normal offense.

You tell Zaire he's just going to be a part-time, gadget offense guy then he ain't gonna be happy. The QB battle is gonna run, there's no time to install option stuff like that. Anyways with the line ND has they should be able to pound it inside, option stuff is for when you can't block people straight up.

 

[zelezo vlk]

Nah, all good, it was false alarm.

This is a relief. Though I preemptively drank all that whiskey for nothing apparently.

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[NDohio]

Nah, all good, it was false alarm.

Good news. Thanks.

 

[koonja]

You tell Zaire he's just going to be a part-time, gadget offense guy then he ain't gonna be happy. The QB battle is gonna run, there's no time to install option stuff like that. Anyways with the line ND has they should be able to pound it inside, option stuff is for when you can't block people straight up.

I think he'd be happier getting some PT rather than straight backing up full time, assuming he doesn't win the job outright.

I'm not saying they should start today installing a full time option offense with Zaire, and the normal stuff for Kizer. I'm saying if he loses it to Kizer, have something for him to keep the defensive coordinators heads spinning as they plan their schemes during the week.

 

[Wild Bill]

You tell Zaire he's just going to be a part-time, gadget offense guy then he ain't gonna be happy. The QB battle is gonna run, there's no time to install option stuff like that. Anyways with the line ND has they should be able to pound it inside, option stuff is for when you can't block people straight up.

I don't completely disagree but combining a QB that can run and read like Malik with an offensive line that can move people is really hard to stop in college.

 

[OCIrish]

You tell Zaire he's just going to be a part-time, gadget offense guy then he ain't gonna be happy. The QB battle is gonna run, there's no time to install option stuff like that. Anyways with the line ND has they should be able to pound it inside, option stuff is for when you can't block people straight up.

Just simply not true.......in HS, we ran power, power I, split back, and we ran option out of our I formation. The reason you run option isn't because you cannot block straight up, (the Naval Academy notwithstanding), but you run option during the game to sometimes just add more stress to the defense. You're gonna have teams like Navy do it out of necessity, however, if you can run power, then throw in the option, it gives you a greater chance for a big play.

 

[connor_in]

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[dublinirish]

You tell Zaire he's just going to be a part-time, gadget offense guy then he ain't gonna be happy. The QB battle is gonna run, there's no time to install option stuff like that. Anyways with the line ND has they should be able to pound it inside, option stuff is for when you can't block people straight up.

Just simply not true.......in HS, we ran power, power I, split back, and we ran option out of our I formation. The reason you run option isn't because you cannot block straight up, (the Naval Academy notwithstanding), but you run option during the game to sometimes just add more stress to the defense. You're gonna have teams like Navy do it out of necessity, however, if you can run power, then throw in the option, it gives you a greater chance for a big play.

option offense, not just an option play i was referring to

 

[Irish Insanity]

All the bullshit talk about a special package for Zaire and him being the black Tebow is ridiculous at best. That's an insult to Zaire. Dude can sling it. Let's not act like he can't.

 

[koonja]

All the bullshit talk about a special package for Zaire and him being the black Tebow is ridiculous at best. That's an insult to Zaire. Dude can sling it. Let's not act like he can't.

Rabble rabble rabble. No one has said Zaire can't sling it, and it was very clear 'hed still have the whole play book'.

Take off your shoes before the drama burns a hole in them.

 

[tko]

All the bullshit talk about a special package for Zaire and him being the black Tebow is ridiculous at best. That's an insult to Zaire. Dude can sling it. Let's not act like he can't.

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[Southside Sully]

Kizer can run an option too though.

Yep they showed him running the option to Tony Jones in one of the clips yesterday as well.

 

[condoms SUCk]

Heck, let's run a double QB set, and have both QB's lined up in the backfield and direct snap to either one. we could run, pass or option out of that formation.

CRAZINESS

 

[dad4aa]

I have not heard or read anywhere that Kizer does not have the whole playbook. Everyone that keeps saying Zaire should be brought in mentions he "has the whole playbook". I believe they both have the whole playbook and the staff is creating specific plays for each out of it but the whole playbook is at both of their disposal.

Also, Kizer's longest runs from scrimmage are 79 and 48 where Zaire's are 56 and 39. While Kizer has had more attempts, he also has a higher scoring average as a runner with 7.5% of his runs going for a TD compared to 4% of Malik's runs were for a TD. The point I am trying to make is that both of these QBs are dual threat QBs that can run. One may be better at the pass and the other better at the read option but both of them can tuck it and run when the play breaks down and make something happen with their feet. Lets not act like Zaire is a far superior rusher compared to Kizer.

 

[connor_in]

Heck, let's run a double QB set, and have both QB's lined up in the backfield and direct snap to either one. we could run, pass or option out of that formation.

CRAZINESS

 

[BobbyMac]

Is there any evidence of this? Kizer has done fine with nearly all aspects of the running game. There's nothing Zaire can do that he can't do better

Out of 100 members on this board, how many do you think would agree with that statement?

I'm fairly certain DK has better top end speed. I fail to see what else he does better running the ball. I'm also fairly certain the stats will back that up too.

 

[Irish Insanity]

I have not heard or read anywhere that Kizer does not have the whole playbook. Everyone that keeps saying Zaire should be brought in mentions he "has the whole playbook". I believe they both have the whole playbook and the staff is creating specific plays for each out of it but the whole playbook is at both of their disposal.

Also, Kizer's longest runs from scrimmage are 79 and 48 where Zaire's are 56 and 39. While Kizer has had more attempts, he also has a higher scoring average as a runner with 7.5% of his runs going for a TD compared to 4% of Malik's runs were for a TD. The point I am trying to make is that both of these QBs are dual threat QBs that can run. One may be better at the pass and the other better at the read option but both of them can tuck it and run when the play breaks down and make something happen with their feet. Lets not act like Zaire is a far superior rusher compared to Kizer.

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[NorthDakota]

Im of the opinion that Zaire becomes basically a running back when he takes off. DK seems like he is an athletic QB when he is running. These are two different things.

I'm biased.

 

[koonja]

For what it's worth, according to scout, if the ND WR's didn't drop so many balls, 'they would have destroyed the ND secondary'.

 

[BobbyMac]

Im of the opinion that Zaire becomes basically a running back when he takes off. DK seems like he is an athletic QB when he is running. These are two different things.

I'm biased.

Exactly. You want to see an athlete, check out Golson's basketball films. Dude could scoot and get up. When he took off as a QB he didn't have a RB's mind and all the athleticism was wasted. My guess is MZ's has the slowest top speed of the 3 and he's easily the most instinctual and therefore effective runner.

..and I just looked up MZ, DK and EG's yards per carry. 5.7, 3.9 and 2.8 respectively.

 

[Ironman8]

Was it the false alarm Dexter Williams? I read that he went down on his shoulder pretty hard at the end of practice but the fall looked worse than it actually was.

It was him.

 

[ND Fan Vancouver]

I agree with a lot of the DK vs MZ stuff being said on here but one thing I have to say, especially when comparing stats is, MZ only played in two full games. He just hasn't played enough to make a CLEAR evaluation. We haven't seen how he resonds to being behind in the 4th quarter against Stanford. We have seen THIS though, Him absolutely dismantling Texas and having a ridiculous completion percentage.
GO IRISH!