2015 Spring Practice Thread

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Spring just ended, but <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/NotreDame?src=hash">#NotreDame</a> has a 2015 identity. It just has to run with it. Story: <a href="http://t.co/W4yd33SnkT">http://t.co/W4yd33SnkT</a> <a href="http://t.co/2j73kAB8o8">pic.twitter.com/2j73kAB8o8</a></p>— Brian Hamilton (@BrianHamiltonSI) <a href="https://twitter.com/BrianHamiltonSI/status/590567106384658432">April 21, 2015</a></blockquote>
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NBCSports' Keith Arnold just published his "The good, the bad and the ugly: the 86th Annual Blue-Gold Game":

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. And spring games are always a double-edged sword.

A great run by a running back? (What kind of tackling was that?) Dominant play by the offensive line? (Start the worries about the defensive front.)

Watching the Blue-Gold game from 30,000 feet, it’s hard not to see a football team that’s among the deepest and most talented of the last 20-plus years. We saw two quarterbacks that can move the offense by various modes of transportation. We saw Will Fuller look like an All-American. Three running backs with skill to burn running behind a rugged offensive front.

Defensively, the depth and speed of the unit looks much different than the one that couldn’t stop Northwestern. Jaylon Smith and Nyles Morgan ran sideline to sideline while the young talent along the defensive line looked far from the group that spent last November on roller skates.

Sure, there are worries. When Brian VanGorder’s defensive front put just one linebacker in the box the results weren’t much better than the last time we saw this defense without Joe Schmidt. And when the Irish offense wanted to run the ball early in the scrimmage they faced little opposition, marching down the field to open the game twice without much trouble.

Let’s go back through the Blue-Gold game, as we run through the defense’s (somewhat manipulated) 36-34 victory.

THE GOOD

Nobody got hurt. That Brian Kelly made both of his quarterbacks live in the first half and lived to tell about it is a very good thing. Because if anything happened to either Everett Golson or Malik Zaire during the spring game, Kelly would’ve had to answer some very difficult—and fair—questions.

Keeping both quarterbacks in play for the first half made sense, especially if they were both going to be running heavy doses of zone read. But talk to people outside the Notre Dame bubble and watch the eyebrows raise when you explain that the Irish head coach was going to let his defense hit, tackle and sack his two-headed quarterback monster.

Make no mistake, Kelly was gambling. And it paid off. The closest thing to an injury looked to come when Nyles Morgan tweaked his ankle early in the game’s opening drive. But he was back on the field chasing offensive players in no time.

Notre Dame fans are prepared for the worst, perhaps still cringing from Ron Powlus’ broken collarbone in the practices leading up to the 1993 season. But avoiding any major injury this spring is by far the best news of the offseason.

C.J. Prosise. If you’re looking for the best example of Brian Kelly recharging his program with competition, look no further than Prosise’s performance this spring. We spent so much time talking about the quarterbacks that the two-headed running back position just took a charge from the team’s starting slot receiver, solidifying Kelly’s mantra that the best eleven players will play.

“I think as we continue to move forward, he’ll get every opportunity to take over a starting position, whether it’s at wide receiver or whether it’s at running back,” Kelly said. “So I’m going to play the eleven best players, and whoever the eleven best players are are going to be on the field. So I’m not going to paint him into any particular position or category. If he’s the best running back, he’s going to start. If he’s the best wide receiver, he’s going to start.”

All three backs played well. But Prosise’s speed was a difference-maker and the type of spark you want to see from the Irish offense.

The Offensive Line. Notre Dame’s starting five bullied the Irish defensive front early in the game, converting a 3rd-and-4 after Steve Elmer started the game with a false start and not stopping until they scored multiple touchdowns.

While there were some struggles on the edge with Hunter Bivin at left tackle and some rough snaps from second-team center John Montelus, Kelly was complimentary of the position group that’ll be the heart of the 2015 team.

“I think for me it was pretty clear that we’ve got a very good offensive line,” Kelly said. “They’re going to be able to control the line of scrimmage in most instances and we’ll continue to go to our strength, which we believe is up front.”

Ronnie Stanley looked the part. Nick Martin was at home at center. Mike McGlinchey and Steve Elmer paired with Quenton Nelson (and Alex Bars) to form a great nucleus, backed up by a strong group that Kelly believes is as talented as any he’s coached.

“I think it’s the deepest,” Kelly said, when asked to compare this line to others he’s coached. “So I think you probably go 7, 8 is really the difference here. And I thought what was really revealing to me today is that when the quarterbacks flipped, it was hard to tell whether it was the first offensive line or the second offensive line. Usually you know when the second offensive line is in there.”

The Young Receivers. Justin Brent got noticed for something he did on the field, a much different start to his second season in the program than last year. And Corey Holmes showed off a pair of hands that’ll show themselves to be quite useful in 2015 if he can get on the field.

Torii Hunter Jr. took a big hit after snaring a great throw from Everett Golson. Putting that trio with the established group of Will Fuller, Corey Robinson and Amir Carlisle gives the Irish plenty of depth, before getting to C.J. Prosise… and a talented group of incoming freshmen.

Kelly talked about the plays made by the young receivers as being a big piece of Saturday’s success.

“I was pleased that some of the younger receivers caught the ball. Corey Holmes caught the ball when he needed to. Justin Brent caught the ball when he needed to. I was pleased there,” Kelly said.

Max Redfield & Elijah Shumate. Sure, Brian Kelly tipped off Redfield that “The Inebriated Irishman” was coming, giving the safety a jump-start on Golson’s long heave to Zaire that Redfield turned into a momentum changer. But Redfield looked like a coach running the back of the Irish defense, a change from the confused kid on the backend doing his best not to get lost.

Paired with Elijah Shumate, the starting safety duo was rock solid, with Shumate looking strong tackling inside the box and at home in space. Kelly went out of his way to tip his cap to the work Redfield did this spring, one of the main defensive objectives heading into the offseason work.

“I thought Max Redfield continues to show why he’s going to be a big player for us defensively,” Kelly said.

Quick Hits:

* Quarterback Mechanics: Score a big point for Mike Sanford, as he’s cleaned up the mechanics of the zone-read footwork that we saw clearly during the broadcast. Golson kept his depth in the backfield much better, and the drop-step he used seemed to keep his eyes looking at the defense much better.

* Greg Bryant: He didn’t steal headlines like he did last spring with a big play, but Bryant ran decisively and downhill, moving the pile early and catching the ball as well. Don’t forget about him this fall.

* James Onwualu: Another guy you might be counting out, Onwualu made a nice TFL and fit in just fine inside the Irish’s starting defense.

* Jerry Tillery: At the point of attack on 3rd-and-Goal, Tillery made a nice play keeping the Irish offense out of the backfield.

* Really liked the hands by Corey Holmes and Justin Brent. Good to see them both make big plays.

* Don’t feel bad, Nick Watkins. You won’t be the only DB to get beat 1-on-1 by Will Fuller this season. I think Watkins is Notre Dame’s No. 3 cornerback, with Shaun Crawford at No. 4 and Devin Butler a very good option at No. 5.

But that assumes KeiVarae Russell returns as Batman and Cole Luke plays Robin.

* Greer Martini continues to be a productive football player. I like when he’s on the field—especially when he planted Prosise on the zone-read fake.

* So it only took DeShone Kizer to solve the holder issues. Kudos to Tyler Newsome for making the extra points, too. Now about that punting…

* It’s tough to look much better running the football as a quarterback than Malik Zaire. The combination of natural running skills and sheer power are a handful.

* Saying that about Zaire, I really thought Everett Golson looked more in control of the offense. I want to see them both play a lot next year.

* A tip of the cap to the NBC Production Team and Notre Dame’s Game Day Operations crew. That was no small feat making this game happen—and televising it no less—and it was hardly noticeable that anything was out of the ordinary on Saturday.

THE BAD

Consider this one big cop-out, but I just didn’t see anything that had me overly worried. So let’s just lump these together and run through it.

* What happens at left tackle if Ronnie Stanley goes down? I’m not sure Hunter Bivin is the answer, so you might see Alex Bars as the sixth man along the offensive line.

* If Malik Zaire wants to win the starting QB job, he can’t make the throw he did to open the scrimmage. That’ll get him standing on the sideline mighty quick. Bad, bad decision there.

* I’m not convinced that Notre Dame’s defensive line is ready for primetime. Mostly at defensive end, though the early push up front was lacking as well. But I’m reserving judgment until I see Jarron Jones lineup up next to Sheldon Day. Then depth players like Tillery, Daniel Cage, Jay Hayes and a healthy Jon Bonner will be able to serve as reinforcements, not leading men.

Put the duo of Jones and Day between Isaac Rochell and either Andrew Trumbetti or Romeo Okwara and I’ll likely say something different. But will somebody rush the passer from this group?

* When I see people whose opinion on Notre Dame football start to discuss Joe Schmidt‘s place in this defense, I start to wonder if they’ve been eating paint chips.

Schmidt is a starter on this defense. Period. Whether that’s at Will or Mike, that’s still up for debate. But I just don’t see Jaylon Smith coming off the field, especially as the Irish look for a pass rusher. That could be Smith’s job moving forward.

From there, I’m not 100 percent sure that Nyles Morgan can captain the ship without a sturdy co-pilot like Schmidt. And Jarrett Grace‘s recovery doesn’t sound fully complete, making him more likely to play a role like Ben Councell did last season rather than a true starting spot.

Here’s Kelly talking about the linebackers after the spring game, specifically where Smith lines up.

“The different sub-packages will determine where [Smith’s] playing, and we feel like we’re in a position now when we’re in our base defense, he’ll be inside. When we get into some of our sub-packages, we can choose where he plays. He can be on the outside, he can be on the inside depending on what we want to do. I think we’ve firmly established that we can move him around. He becomes a player now after this spring that within our sub-packages we can move him inside or outside, that’s pretty clear.

“Jarrett Grace has established himself as a middle linebacker that can come in and help us in a number of different situations. He’s smart, he gets guys lined up, he gets himself lined up and he can play. Nyles Morgan continues to get better and better, and Joe Schmidt now is going to get a chance now to probably play both Mike and Will. So just gives us more depth at those positions where at times you know last year we were really thin.”

Kelly talked about opponents being able to take Smith out of the game last year by running away from him. By the end of the season, they were taking his speed away by running right at him, not necessarily the traits you want from a Will linebacker.

THE UGLY

When we’re taking the time to talk about Brian Kelly’s facial hair, you know we’re out of things to talk about. But BK’s a better candidate for the clean-shaven look, especially as he goes out on the talking tour these next few months.

Adios, goatee.
 

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Our post-spring update of Notre Dame’s defensive depth chart heading into the summer session.

FRONT SEVEN
The expected return of senior nose tackle Jarron Jones (November foot surgery) will augment the defensive front during the summer session. Jones was not involved in contact during spring ball.
Defensive End ("Big End"): Isaac Rochell, Grant Blankenship, Jonathan Bonner (inj.)
Notes: Rochell is on the short list as unofficial defensive MVP of the spring while Bonner’s early- and mid-spring ascent was waylaid by toe surgery (turf toe). A two-deep contributor throughout 2014, Blankenship stepped in for Bonner and looked the part of a legitimate No. 2 strong side defensive end – all that’s missing from his skill set is the necessary bulk.
The Irish are blessed with quality depth behind Rochell.
Nose Tackle: Jarron Jones (Inj.), Jerry Tillery, Pete Mokwuah, Daniel Cage, Micah Dew-Treadway
Notes: Tillery’s impact on the spring tapered as the session came to a close – not unexpected from a competitor that should be breezing through the second semester of his senior season at Evangel Christian Academy. He’s nonetheless in position to provide Notre Dame its best young relief option on the nose since Kona Schwenke emerged in 2012. (Schwenke was an established player thereafter.)
The listing of Mokwuah over Cage is due in part to the latter missing time late in spring ball with an apparent left elbow injury (he played in the Blue Gold Game and also had his right hand heavily wrapped), but also the result of defensive line coach Keith Gilmore signaling out – unprompted, it should be noted – Jacob Matuska (highlighted below) and Mokwuah for their late-spring improvement.
Defensive Tackle ("3-Technique"): Sheldon Day, Jay Hayes, Jacob Matuska, Micah Dew-Treadway
Notes: Hayes solidified a role as Day’s backup entering the summer months – a backup that will play often each week as he brings quickness, aggression, and a welcomed attitude to the equation. After missing time earlier in the spring recovering from a 2014 knee injury, Day returned to form late, much to the relief of Gilmore who admitted he needed to see Day in the fold to give a full evaluation of his defensive front at spring’s conclusion.
Matuska’s emergency playing time last fall seems to have afforded him the confidence to compete at a major college level. He made plays this spring. If Day and Hayes remain healthy, a defense could do a lot worse than having Matuska as a spot player. (A greater role would still likely be to his detriment.)
Defensive End (In the Base D, it's "Rush End"): Romeo Okwara, Andrew Trumbetti, Doug Randolph, Jhonny Williams
Notes: Trumbetti missed a chunk of spring with a virus but impressed Gilmore both early and late. He and Okwara will doubtless rotate often as they did last season.
Though accepted as a player with much work to do, Williams concluded the spring game with a quality effort as a pass-rusher, albeit vs. the third offensive line and quarterbacks in non-contact situations. Randolph’s best role
Nickel Pass-Rusher: Andrew Trumbetti, Kolin Hill OR Doug Randolph
Notes: Hill and Randolph are listed as linebackers, but for game day purposes, a pass-rushing role is their best chance to make an impact. Trumbetti is, in my opinion, the best pass-rushing option off the edge, but his sub package role will also be dictated by base defense playing time.
LINEBACKERS
The unit is blessed with depth at each of the alignment’s three positions.
SAM: James Onwualu, (Jaylon Smith), Greer Martini, Kolin Hill
Notes: Onwualu wore a protective brace through most of spring ball, one he shed late. He might have also shed the label of “1A” at the position, because both head coach Brian Kelly and defensive coordinator Brian VanGorder appeared high on the do-everything competitor’s efforts this spring. Martini will lend a hand against power running teams such as Stanford, while both will likely see time together against the option offenses of Georgia Tech and Navy. (The duo combined for 16 tackles and made our Top 10 player list post-film reviews.)
Smith is expected to play on the strong side in various sub packages featured by VanGorder. (As a starting sam and full-time special teams player, Onwualu will likely need the occasional relief Smith’s presence provides.)
Hill’s listing as a sam ‘backer is a case of semantics – he’s a sub package pass-rusher.
MIKE: Nyles Morgan OR Jarrett Grace OR Joe Schmidt (Inj.), Michael Deeb
Notes: In good health, each of the Morgan, Schmidt, Grace triumvirate will play next fall. In good health, it is assumed one Schmidt (coming off November ankle surgery) will cross-train at the will 'backer spot as noted below.
Morgan began and ended spring ball as the No. 1 mike linebacker, but that was due primarily to the ongoing recovery of Grace (2013 leg surgery) and Schmidt’s non-contact status. Morgan received a chance for reps and clearly took advantage of the opportunity.
WILL: Jaylon Smith, Te'Von Coney, Joe Schmidt (Inj.) Austin Larkin (junior walk-on)
Notes: Coney did a great service to his career by enrolling early and from our purview, he’d challenge for a true two-deep role on Irish teams with less veteran depth inside. For 2015, should Schmidt cross-train at the position as expected, Coney’s playing time will be on special teams.
DEFENSIVE BACKFIELD
A trio of incoming freshmen is expected to compete at nickel in August while the safeties unit should have the services of Drue Tranquill (November knee surgery) and incoming fifth-year transfer Avery Sebastian, a California graduate. Suspended senior cornerback Keivarae Russell is also expected to be welcomed back to the fray.
Strong Safety: Elijah Shumate, John Turner
Notes: Sebastian will compete for a two-deep role when he arrives this summer and he’s likely to supplant Turner, a special teams starter.
The enigmatic Shumate has finally cemented a starting role and could have a breakout senior season.
Free Safety: Max Redfield, Drue Tranquill (Inj.), Nicky Baratti, Matthias Farley
Notes: Farley's part of a contingency plan at the position and will primarily compete at nickel (below). Tranquill is likely better suited for strong safety but the Irish will receive added depth in the form of Sebastian at the position.
Redfield was one of the top defensive players for the Irish this spring.
Baratti made it through spring ball with minimal contact which means his true test awaits. He’s had four major shoulder injuries over the last 28 months -- two surgeries to his left shoulder occurred post-season 2012 and during August camp 2013 while a lone surgery to his right shoulder was performed in late-September 2014 following action against Purdue. Baratti likewise dislocated that shoulder during the 2014 Blue Gold game but did not have surgery, playing instead with a harness.
He’ll be forced to encounter true contact in August in an effort to gauge his availability.
Left Cornerback: Cole Luke, Connor Cavalaris
Notes: Look for either Nick Watkins or Devin Butler to flip sides and work behind Luke in August Camp should KeiVarae Russell return as projected. Butler has been primarily a right cornerback dating back through last August camp.
Right Cornerback: Nick Watkins, Devin Butler
Notes: Watkins unofficially moved ahead of Butler late this spring. Either/both has a tough road to ho this summer and in August when it’s expected that potential All-American KeiVarae Russell will throw his hat in the ring.
Nickel: Matthias Farley, Connor Cavalaris
Notes: Farley intermittently starred in the role last season though he also struggled downfield in coverage vs. quality passing attacks. Cavalaris has filled many roles in the secondary since the outset of 2012 including working as a starter in kickoff coverage. The former walk-on is expected to be a fifth-year competitor for the Irish next fall, scholarship or otherwise.
A healthy Drue Tranquill could compete at nickel as well, as could Russell, shifting inside from his starting perimeter position as needed.
 

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author seems to think ND will be running Sanford's offense and he will be calling the plays..
 

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author seems to think ND will be running Sanford's offense and he will be calling the plays..

I kind of hope that is the case. I still think Kelly is good at calling plays but he's better when he has a throwing QB, I think our offensive identity plays to Sanford's strengths as a play caller. Maybe I'm crazy.
 

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Wow, that was thorough. Great stuff.

This is as deep a ND team as I've seen. I think Sanford is exactly what this offense needs. Someone who can get this stable of horses running on all cylinders.

On the other side the D-Line depth is so refreshing. The excuses are minimal to none at this point. We can run with anyone.

No reason why this D shouldn't be really good, IMO. There's enough at BVG's disposal to make this work.
 

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This D should be decent but BVG can't stop the spread and has always struggled with it. I think Georgia Tech will give him head aches. I'm not really sold on him. I think we have really solid players on this defense though, hopefully we play like we did the first six weeks but we didn't play a spread team really. Plus I don't know where pass rush is going to come from

I just watched the spring game for the first time over the weekend. I pray to God Hunter Bivin doesn't play a snap this year.
 

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This D should be decent but BVG can't stop the spread and has always struggled with it. I think Georgia Tech will give him head aches. I'm not really sold on him. I think we have really solid players on this defense though, hopefully we play like we did the first six weeks but we didn't play a spread team really. Plus I don't know where pass rush is going to come from

I just watched the spring game for the first time over the weekend. I pray to God Hunter Bivin doesn't play a snap this year.

I'm not either but this season should be a much better barometer (than last) of where this D is heading and if he'll be the man in charge of it. The talent is there, no reason it shouldn't be successful.
 

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I think that the D should at least be stout against the run. I'm not sure where the pass rush will come from, but the run defense I expect to be at least above average.
 

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Ya I'm not worried about the talent on the defense. Very much SEC talent when it's healthy but I'm concerned with the guy calling the defense. Doesn't recruit, doesn't watch tape and takes forever to eval. Didn't really make any adjustments last year and spread offenses did whatever they wanted. I know our defense couldn't have any more beat up but it's been a problem with him in the past and not sure why it would stop this year. Defense talent is great I just don't think the guy calling the D is great. Hopefully we look like we did to start the year last year, same BVG everybody loved.
 

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IMO, only two things can hurt this team: Coaching arrogance, and injuries. Neither are out of the question, as we all know too well unfortunately.

This is a top 10 team, no doubt. With any luck, this is a top 4 team. I think coaching and (lack of) injuries are the difference between the two.
 

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Most important parts of the D for me are the big plays and redzone D. Both we used to be very very good at, have become liabilities. Limit big plays and get stout in the redzone.
 

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Most important parts of the D for me are the big plays and redzone D. Both we used to be very very good at, have become liabilities. Limit big plays and get stout in the redzone.

Giving up more big plays is the trade-off to having a more aggressive defense.

I agree with red zone defense though.
 

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Expectations need to be more realistic IMO. Yes we have plenty of returning starters but that was from an 8-5 team not a 12-1 team. The defense is totally suspect, safety play has been pretty terrible , K Russell is not back yet ,and in this program counting chickens early is a mistake. We have some depth on the DLINE but many of the players are simply average. Day and Jones are the best but they are a long way from Tuitt and Nix. LB has Jaylon , after that Niles Morgan still has a long way to go and JOE needed all his physical tools to play as well as he did last season, how much he has lost is a question. Pass rush , run stopping, and pass defense all have ripples of weakness.

Special Teams are again a crap shoot but under Kelly so its difficult to predict that we will excel in that important phase of the game. That's a show me year in and year out and we haven't been shown yet any year.

QB of course has now lost the depth that made our situation enviable , Malik is a talent but he has not played a single full game and has nothing ready behind him. Asking him to lead a dynamic offense wire to wire on his dual QB skills , running aggressively week in and week out is asking a lot for a second year player looking to complete his first full game.

Offense is clearly the strength of the team , but the offense is going to be revamped and Kelly will have to show the discipline to call games against type...that is not his strong suit. We have the potential to be very strong on the OLINE but that is just potential at this point. Elmer needs to be one of the most improved lineman in the country, and he might be, but that's still speculation.

Overall the season will likely go something like this....

Wins over Texas ( a pretty weak team we catch at a good time) with Virginia making us 2-0. After that GT will likely be a nightmare for our defense , chances are we lose a close one there.....We likely cannot go into Clemson and get a win and USC is probably going to be a little too good for us as well.

I think 8-3 going into Stanford is the most likely result.....Stanford is another team we have trouble with on the road and never beat easy in recent history.

We also will get a strong opponent in our bowl....

So betting on a split between Stanford & our Bowl game---the most likely record for this team is 9-4 and although that might squeeze us into the top 25 , its pretty much same old same old for every non 2012 Kelly team.

And all that is assuming we DO NOT blow a game to Pitt or some other team we should certainly beat , and almost every year under Kelly sans 2012 we have found a way to do a South Florida or a Tulsa or a Northwestern.

Best bet on this 2015 team is 9-4 and likely that will not make anybody overly excited.
 

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Expectations need to be more realistic IMO. Yes we have plenty of returning starters but that was from an 8-5 team not a 12-1 team. The defense is totally suspect, safety play has been pretty terrible , K Russell is not back yet ,and in this program counting chickens early is a mistake. We have some depth on the DLINE but many of the players are simply average. Day and Jones are the best but they are a long way from Tuitt and Nix. LB has Jaylon , after that Niles Morgan still has a long way to go and JOE needed all his physical tools to play as well as he did last season, how much he has lost is a question. Pass rush , run stopping, and pass defense all have ripples of weakness.

Special Teams are again a crap shoot but under Kelly so its difficult to predict that we will excel in that important phase of the game. That's a show me year in and year out and we haven't been shown yet any year.

QB of course has now lost the depth that made our situation enviable , Malik is a talent but he has not played a single full game and has nothing ready behind him. Asking him to lead a dynamic offense wire to wire on his dual QB skills , running aggressively week in and week out is asking a lot for a second year player looking to complete his first full game.

Offense is clearly the strength of the team , but the offense is going to be revamped and Kelly will have to show the discipline to call games against type...that is not his strong suit. We have the potential to be very strong on the OLINE but that is just potential at this point. Elmer needs to be one of the most improved lineman in the country, and he might be, but that's still speculation.

Overall the season will likely go something like this....

Wins over Texas ( a pretty weak team we catch at a good time) with Virginia making us 2-0. After that GT will likely be a nightmare for our defense , chances are we lose a close one there.....We likely cannot go into Clemson and get a win and USC is probably going to be a little too good for us as well.

I think 8-3 going into Stanford is the most likely result.....Stanford is another team we have trouble with on the road and never beat easy in recent history.

We also will get a strong opponent in our bowl....

So betting on a split between Stanford & our Bowl game---the most likely record for this team is 9-4 and although that might squeeze us into the top 25 , its pretty much same old same old for every non 2012 Kelly team.

And all that is assuming we DO NOT blow a game to Pitt or some other team we should certainly beat , and almost every year under Kelly sans 2012 we have found a way to do a South Florida or a Tulsa or a Northwestern.

Best bet on this 2015 team is 9-4 and likely that will not make anybody overly excited.


This is exactly why it's a big year for BK and co. He's never had a team this talented (and deep). Perhaps we say that every year, but I truly believe it's accurate this year. I think it's time for Coach to put up or shut up.

Note: I think BK is arguably the best coach ND can get. He's done wonders for this program. He deserves a ton of credit. But these seasons of sub-10-wins and the inevitable upset needs to stop and this is the year it needs to happen.
 

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Expectations need to be more realistic IMO. Yes we have plenty of returning starters but that was from an 8-5 team not a 12-1 team. The defense is totally suspect, safety play has been pretty terrible , K Russell is not back yet ,and in this program counting chickens early is a mistake. We have some depth on the DLINE but many of the players are simply average. Day and Jones are the best but they are a long way from Tuitt and Nix. LB has Jaylon , after that Niles Morgan still has a long way to go and JOE needed all his physical tools to play as well as he did last season, how much he has lost is a question. Pass rush , run stopping, and pass defense all have ripples of weakness.

Special Teams are again a crap shoot but under Kelly so its difficult to predict that we will excel in that important phase of the game. That's a show me year in and year out and we haven't been shown yet any year.

QB of course has now lost the depth that made our situation enviable , Malik is a talent but he has not played a single full game and has nothing ready behind him. Asking him to lead a dynamic offense wire to wire on his dual QB skills , running aggressively week in and week out is asking a lot for a second year player looking to complete his first full game.

Offense is clearly the strength of the team , but the offense is going to be revamped and Kelly will have to show the discipline to call games against type...that is not his strong suit. We have the potential to be very strong on the OLINE but that is just potential at this point. Elmer needs to be one of the most improved lineman in the country, and he might be, but that's still speculation.

Overall the season will likely go something like this....

Wins over Texas ( a pretty weak team we catch at a good time) with Virginia making us 2-0. After that GT will likely be a nightmare for our defense , chances are we lose a close one there.....We likely cannot go into Clemson and get a win and USC is probably going to be a little too good for us as well.

I think 8-3 going into Stanford is the most likely result.....Stanford is another team we have trouble with on the road and never beat easy in recent history.

We also will get a strong opponent in our bowl....

So betting on a split between Stanford & our Bowl game---the most likely record for this team is 9-4 and although that might squeeze us into the top 25 , its pretty much same old same old for every non 2012 Kelly team.

And all that is assuming we DO NOT blow a game to Pitt or some other team we should certainly beat , and almost every year under Kelly sans 2012 we have found a way to do a South Florida or a Tulsa or a Northwestern.

Best bet on this 2015 team is 9-4 and likely that will not make anybody overly excited.

I disagree, some of them might be young but I wouldn't categorize them as average. Day, Jones, Trumbetti, Rochell, Hayes and Tillery are all above average players. Day and Jones are NFL players and I bet the other 4 will be at some point as well. If the rest are "average" thats fine as they won't be playing a ton of snaps. With that said, people close to the program think they there is a lot of functional depth on the DL. Matuska is a name that Coach D likes quite a bit as a back up. Also, Bonner is another guy that they expect to be better than what you're giving him credit for.

A majority of your post is based on the premise that nobody is getting better. The expectation and what we've seen from Kelly is we do get individual player development. There are many cases that we can point to for that. So if we see player improvement from some of the young talent, very highly recruited players, then 10+ wins is very possible. Keep in mind that we were just a few plays away from winning 10 last year.
 
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Expectations need to be more realistic IMO. Yes we have plenty of returning starters but that was from an 8-5 team not a 12-1 team. The defense is totally suspect, safety play has been pretty terrible , K Russell is not back yet ,and in this program counting chickens early is a mistake. We have some depth on the DLINE but many of the players are simply average. Day and Jones are the best but they are a long way from Tuitt and Nix. LB has Jaylon , after that Niles Morgan still has a long way to go and JOE needed all his physical tools to play as well as he did last season, how much he has lost is a question. Pass rush , run stopping, and pass defense all have ripples of weakness.

Special Teams are again a crap shoot but under Kelly so its difficult to predict that we will excel in that important phase of the game. That's a show me year in and year out and we haven't been shown yet any year.

QB of course has now lost the depth that made our situation enviable , Malik is a talent but he has not played a single full game and has nothing ready behind him. Asking him to lead a dynamic offense wire to wire on his dual QB skills , running aggressively week in and week out is asking a lot for a second year player looking to complete his first full game.

Offense is clearly the strength of the team , but the offense is going to be revamped and Kelly will have to show the discipline to call games against type...that is not his strong suit. We have the potential to be very strong on the OLINE but that is just potential at this point. Elmer needs to be one of the most improved lineman in the country, and he might be, but that's still speculation.

Overall the season will likely go something like this....

Wins over Texas ( a pretty weak team we catch at a good time) with Virginia making us 2-0. After that GT will likely be a nightmare for our defense , chances are we lose a close one there.....We likely cannot go into Clemson and get a win and USC is probably going to be a little too good for us as well.

I think 8-3 going into Stanford is the most likely result.....Stanford is another team we have trouble with on the road and never beat easy in recent history.

We also will get a strong opponent in our bowl....

So betting on a split between Stanford & our Bowl game---the most likely record for this team is 9-4 and although that might squeeze us into the top 25 , its pretty much same old same old for every non 2012 Kelly team.

And all that is assuming we DO NOT blow a game to Pitt or some other team we should certainly beat , and almost every year under Kelly sans 2012 we have found a way to do a South Florida or a Tulsa or a Northwestern.

Best bet on this 2015 team is 9-4 and likely that will not make anybody overly excited.

I don't have to ask "glass half empty or half full?".
 

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Most important parts of the D for me are the big plays and redzone D. Both we used to be very very good at, have become liabilities. Limit big plays and get stout in the redzone.

We were very good at those things when Diaco was locked in. Once he checked out towards the end of the 2012 campaign, it's never been the same.

Which isn't necessarily a bad thing. BvG's scheme can produce benefits in other areas (like sacks, TFLs and interceptions). But we've got to make up for it somewhere else.
 

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We were very good at those things when Diaco was locked in. Once he checked out towards the end of the 2012 campaign, it's never been the same.

Which isn't necessarily a bad thing. BvG's scheme can produce benefits in other areas (like sacks, TFLs and interceptions). But we've got to make up for it somewhere else.

Yea, it was something that I got used to, lol.

And I think at times we saw some that last year when the D was healthy and clicking but the redzone D was frustratingly bad. I really hope that improves.
 

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Yea, it was something that I got used to, lol.

And I think at times we saw some that last year when the D was healthy and clicking but the redzone D was frustratingly bad. I really hope that improves.

I guess I am traditional in the sense that I always look for traits that the team can hang their hat on. In 2012 we were stout against the run and played safe in coverage. 2013 tried to mimic that, but fell short. 2014 felt like blitzing was the one thing we could do, but as the players dropped to injury, the blitzes became more and more predictable and less and less productive. In the end, for the better part of the year the defense had no identity. To me, it's imperative they find something this year and I would prefer it to be something other than blitzing.
 

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I disagree, some of them might be young but I wouldn't categorize them as average. Day, Jones, Trumbetti, Rochell, Hayes and Tillery are all above average players. Day and Jones are NFL players and I bet the other 4 will be at some point as well. If the rest are "average" thats fine as they won't be playing a ton of snaps. With that said, people close to the program think they there is a lot of functional depth on the DL. Matuska is a name that Coach D likes quite a bit as a back up. Also, Bonner is another guy that they expect to be better than what you're giving him credit for.

A majority of your post is based on the premise that nobody is getting better. The expectation and what we've seen from Kelly is we do get individual player development. There are many cases that we can point to for that. So if we see player improvement from some of the young talent, very highly recruited players, then 10+ wins is very possible. Keep in mind that we were just a few plays away from winning 10 last year.

My problem is that you can say this about pretty much every year under BK. There's always some sort of epic meltdown (sans '12) that leave us all saying "what if." It's annoying.

2010: Gave the game to UM. Gave the game to MSU. The inevitable WTF game against Tulsa. Got embarrassed by Navy. Got beat by Stanford. "What if" Dayne doesn't get hurt and actually plays to his potential as a 5* recruit? ND goes 11-2 easily.

2011: The inevitable WTF game against USF. Gave UM another game. Losses to USC and Stanford. Then the blown bowl game (imo) against FSU. Turnovers plagued this season from the beginning. "What if" ND had a defense and didn't turn the ball over? Again, "What if" Dayne played to his potential? ND goes 10-3, maybe 11-2 again easily.

2012: Nothing to be said. ND got some lucky breaks, but overall was a solid team until the NCG. I don't think the "What if" applies here. That Bama team was unreal.

2013: Golson suspended. Losses to UM. Turnover Tommy shows up against OU. The inevitable WTF game against Pitt (Tuitt's bullshit ejection). Loss to Stanford. Imo, EG would've been the difference in those losses and that team could've had another shot at the championship. "What if," right? This team went 9-4 but could've had 11+ wins.

2014: Golson's back. They're rolling. Until the bullshit call against FSU. By many reports, the team quit after that. Turnovers, injuries. Embarrassing losses to ASU, NW, UL, and USC. Capped by an impressive and inspiring win over LSU. "What if" BK called better games, didn't put so much pressure on Golson, played Malik a little sooner when EG struggled? What if BVG actually had fresh bodies and not an injury-ridden depth chart? This team was solid in the beginning. What happened? 8-5 finish. But could've been so much better.

The point? There's always something with BK's ND teams. I'm tired of it. Sometimes you get lucky. Sometimes you don't. But the perennial good, powerhouse, programs find ways to win 10+ games a year. BK should've had 10+ every year while here at ND so far when you look back on it.

I'm even more annoyed now than before this post. Dammit.
 
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Expectations need to be more realistic IMO. Yes we have plenty of returning starters but that was from an 8-5 team not a 12-1 team. The defense is totally suspect, safety play has been pretty terrible , K Russell is not back yet ,and in this program counting chickens early is a mistake. We have some depth on the DLINE but many of the players are simply average. Day and Jones are the best but they are a long way from Tuitt and Nix. LB has Jaylon , after that Niles Morgan still has a long way to go and JOE needed all his physical tools to play as well as he did last season, how much he has lost is a question. Pass rush , run stopping, and pass defense all have ripples of weakness.

Special Teams are again a crap shoot but under Kelly so its difficult to predict that we will excel in that important phase of the game. That's a show me year in and year out and we haven't been shown yet any year.

QB of course has now lost the depth that made our situation enviable , Malik is a talent but he has not played a single full game and has nothing ready behind him. Asking him to lead a dynamic offense wire to wire on his dual QB skills , running aggressively week in and week out is asking a lot for a second year player looking to complete his first full game.

Offense is clearly the strength of the team , but the offense is going to be revamped and Kelly will have to show the discipline to call games against type...that is not his strong suit. We have the potential to be very strong on the OLINE but that is just potential at this point. Elmer needs to be one of the most improved lineman in the country, and he might be, but that's still speculation.

Overall the season will likely go something like this....

Wins over Texas ( a pretty weak team we catch at a good time) with Virginia making us 2-0. After that GT will likely be a nightmare for our defense , chances are we lose a close one there.....We likely cannot go into Clemson and get a win and USC is probably going to be a little too good for us as well.

I think 8-3 going into Stanford is the most likely result.....Stanford is another team we have trouble with on the road and never beat easy in recent history.

We also will get a strong opponent in our bowl....

So betting on a split between Stanford & our Bowl game---the most likely record for this team is 9-4 and although that might squeeze us into the top 25 , its pretty much same old same old for every non 2012 Kelly team.

And all that is assuming we DO NOT blow a game to Pitt or some other team we should certainly beat , and almost every year under Kelly sans 2012 we have found a way to do a South Florida or a Tulsa or a Northwestern.

Best bet on this 2015 team is 9-4 and likely that will not make anybody overly excited.

You may be 100% correct when all is said and done.
Personally I predict 2 losses.
I also believe our DB play will be solid this year. It would be more than solid if we can find a rush.
DL will be fine, and QB will be better than you think. I agree with you on special teams.

All in all returning starters + player development + improved coaching staff + improved talent and depth + shift in O scheme + improved leadership = 10 wins. If less BK is underachieving. GT should be a home win. USC and Clemson are the only easily excused losses IMO. If Clemson didn't have a week off prior to ND I would count that as a win too. I will be at that game watching MZ run for 3 and throw for 3.
 

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My problem is that you can say this about pretty much every year under BK. There's always some sort of epic meltdown (sans '12) that leave us all saying "what if." It's annoying.

2010: Gave the game to UM. Gave the game to MSU. The inevitable WTF game against Tulsa. Got embarrassed by Navy. Got beat by Stanford. "What if" Dayne doesn't get hurt and actually plays to his potential as a 5* recruit? ND goes 11-2 easily.

2011: The inevitable WTF game against USF. Gave UM another game. Losses to USC and Stanford. Then the blown bowl game (imo) against FSU. Turnovers plagued this season from the beginning. "What if" ND had a defense and didn't turn the ball over? Again, "What if" Dayne played to his potential? ND goes 10-3, maybe 11-2 again easily.

2012: Nothing to be said. ND got some lucky breaks, but overall was a solid team until the NCG. I don't think the "What if" applies here. That Bama team was unreal.

2013: Golson suspended. Losses to UM. Turnover Tommy shows up against OU. The inevitable WTF game against Pitt (Tuitt's bullshit ejection). Loss to Stanford. Imo, EG would've been the difference in those losses and that team could've had another shot at the championship. "What if," right? This team went 9-4 but could've had 11+ wins.

2014: Golson's back. They're rolling. Until the bullshit call against FSU. By many reports, the team quit after that. Turnovers, injuries. Embarrassing losses to ASU, NW, UL, and USC. Capped by an impressive and inspiring win over LSU. "What if" BK called better games, didn't put so much pressure on Golson, played Malik a little sooner when EG struggled? What if BVG actually had fresh bodies and not an injury-ridden depth chart? This team was solid in the beginning. What happened? 8-5 finish. But could've been so much better.

The point? There's always something with BK's ND teams. I'm tired of it. Sometimes you get lucky. Sometimes you don't. But the perennial good, powerhouse, programs find ways to win 10+ games a year. BK should've had 10+ every year while here at ND so far when you look back on it.

I'm even more annoyed now than before this post. Dammit.

You're right and its very frustrating. However, my expectations are going to be that as the team gets deeper and developed, which it is, we should see less of this. Essentially more consistency.

I guess what I should have said was that there different ways of going 8-5 depending on who you played, how you won, and how you lost those games. We were a couple FG's away from beating NW and UL. If we hit those FG's, should've, then we hit 10 wins and feel pretty good about the season. As we can see from the LSU game, we were a pretty darn good 8-5 team. If we would've got worked over by LSU then I'd understand being more pessimistic but I view us as a good 8-5 with the expectation it gets better. Therefore, thinking 10 wins is possible, isn't a stretch.
 

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You may be 100% correct when all is said and done.
Personally I predict 2 losses.
I also believe our DB play will be solid this year. It would be more than solid if we can find a rush.
DL will be fine, and QB will be better than you think. I agree with you on special teams.

All in all returning starters + player development + improved coaching staff + improved talent and depth + shift in O scheme + improved leadership = 10 wins. If less BK is underachieving. GT should be a home win. USC and Clemson are the only easily excused losses IMO. If Clemson didn't have a week off prior to ND I would count that as a win too. I will be at that game watching MZ run for 3 and throw for 3.

Clemson is an interesting one for me because their O should be better but their D could take a fairly sizable step backward from being as dominant as they were last year. Their D lost a TON of talent and experience.
 

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We were very good at those things when Diaco was locked in. Once he checked out towards the end of the 2012 campaign, it's never been the same.

Which isn't necessarily a bad thing. BvG's scheme can produce benefits in other areas (like sacks, TFLs and interceptions). But we've got to make up for it somewhere else.

Yea, it was something that I got used to, lol.

And I think at times we saw some that last year when the D was healthy and clicking but the redzone D was frustratingly bad. I really hope that improves.

I guess I am traditional in the sense that I always look for traits that the team can hang their hat on. In 2012 we were stout against the run and played safe in coverage. 2013 tried to mimic that, but fell short. 2014 felt like blitzing was the one thing we could do, but as the players dropped to injury, the blitzes became more and more predictable and less and less productive. In the end, for the better part of the year the defense had no identity. To me, it's imperative they find something this year and I would prefer it to be something other than blitzing.

There's two key elements, the coach and his scheme and the players available. I think BVG has used a lot of blitzes to mask some deficiencies which the better teams can adapt to. Bobby D's blitzing defense in 2012 worked great in the RZ because he didn't blitz until he didn't have any other options and it caught teams off guard. When you blitz all the time like BVG teams adjust and get used to it.

With the talent now available, I think you might see a little less blitzing saving it for key times.
 

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There's two key elements, the coach and his scheme and the players available. I think BVG has used a lot of blitzes to mask some deficiencies which the better teams can adapt to. Bobby D's blitzing defense in 2012 worked great in the RZ because he didn't blitz until he didn't have any other options and it caught teams off guard. When you blitz all the time like BVG teams adjust and get used to it.

With the talent now available, I think you might see a little less blitzing saving it for key times.

So, surprise blitzing you say?

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