2015 NFL Draft

[ACamp1900]

I don't want anything to do with Petty. Weedend.

Except he's not 38 years old and has a chance to develop... I like Winston a lot... But I think the Browns need more than one player... I won't be angry if they get Winston tho...

 

[Grahambo]

As a Giants fan, Im hoping for Schreff but if Cooper or White are still available as some hypothesize, might too hard to pass up.

 

[arrowryan]

I cannot, for the life of me, figure out who the Steelers might draft. I've gone from Bud Dupree, Kevin Johnson, Byron Jones, and this morning I convinced myself that Landon Collins was the guy. They'll probably go with someone that I'm not even looking at right now. They do that almost every year; I was not thinking Ryan Shazier would be the pick last year

I guess Marcus Peters could be the pick too

 

[ResLife Hero]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Mayock says after talking to teams, La’el Collins is completely off many boards unless cleared officially.</p>— Bryan Fischer (@BryanDFischer) <a href="https://twitter.com/BryanDFischer/status/593581785935544320">April 30, 2015</a></blockquote>
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[NDdomer2]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Mayock says after talking to teams, La’el Collins is completely off many boards unless cleared officially.</p>— Bryan Fischer (@BryanDFischer) <a href="https://twitter.com/BryanDFischer/status/593581785935544320">April 30, 2015</a></blockquote>
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I didn't know what to take from the article I read on this. Stated police don't consider him a suspect, lawyer says were doing everything we can to remove him as a suspect.

Sounded like he wasn't even around, did he put a hit out?

Is it his kid?

 

[ACamp1900]

Seeing reports the Browns are about to trade up... Mariota,.... Idk man... Hopefully it works out but...

 

[Sherm Sticky]

I didn't know what to take from the article I read on this. Stated police don't consider him a suspect, lawyer says were doing everything we can to remove him as a suspect.



Sounded like he wasn't even around, did he put a hit out?



Is it his kid?

Yeah I'm confused also. To me it seems like the kids didn't have anything to do with this tragedy.

It's a shame, the kid is a first round talent.


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[ulukinatme]

I'll laugh if the Browns take Winston. The guy is a train wreck, as bad or worse than the Manziel pick. That is not the guy anyone should want to build their franchise around.

Mariotta may or may not be a decent QB at the next level. Chip Kelly Oregon QBs didn't really pan out in the NFL. Probably the best QB to come out of Oregon till now has been Joey Harrington, and that says a lot. He was well before Kelly's time too. I think a lot of those Oregon QBs are just products of the system, although Mariotta is probably the best one to come out of there.

 

[greyhammer90]

This is apparently an unpopular opinion, but put me down as a guy who thinks Winston is going to be an excellent QB at the next level. Tampa Bay might wreck him by being Tampa Bay, but he's really freaking good. He also strikes me as being more of a "dumb" guy than Manzel. Manzel is a POS by nature, Winston is just genuinely goofy and dumb. I think corporate NFL culture is better at dealing with dummies than it is with POS. I also thought Manzel would be a cancer in an NFL locker room. I could see an NFL locker room liking Winston. We'll see though.

 

[irishfan]

This is apparently an unpopular opinion, but put me down as a guy who thinks Winston is going to be an excellent QB at the next level. Tampa Bay might wreck him by being Tampa Bay, but he's really freaking good. He also strikes me as being more of a "dumb" guy than Manzel. Manzel is a POS by nature, Winston is just genuinely goofy and dumb. I think corporate NFL culture is better at dealing with dummies than it is with POS. I also thought Manzel would be a cancer in an NFL locker room. I could see an NFL locker room liking Winston. We'll see though.

This. I think Winston will be a star personally. He was always locked in on the field and some of the comebacks he led this year were incredible. Hell, our D was pretty good when healthy for the FSU game, and he tore us apart in the 2nd half. All of the trouble he got into (looking at the evidence...I don't think the rape allegations were genuine) was typical college kid stuff. He'll be fine in the pros. If I drafted Winston, I'd make him carry a clipboard and be the 3rd string for his whole rookie year then late him take over year 2.

I think Mariota will struggle anywhere outside Philly. That Oregon offense always puts up numbers regardless of who is at QB. I don't think he's special personally. Their offense is horribly simple. It's so much tougher to transition from no-huddle to the NFL than I think some people realize. Especially at Oregon where he was essentially given 2-3 options on half the field to throw to and then told to tuck it away and run.

Petty I have no idea. I wouldn't draft him, but he could be good. I'm wary of any Baylor guy just cause that offense is the opposite of what he will be running in the NFL. Not a big Hundley fan either, although I don't really have any reason for that. Just a gut feeling he won't pan out.

I think the Browns would be making a horrible mistake taking Mariota. They've shown no ability to develop a QB (much less one with a huge transition like Mariota would have) and have no weapons right now. That team is good and ready to win right now, they are probably a top-8 team in the league just looking at their D and OL. I'd try and add a couple good pieces at #12 and #19 and hope McCown can be a minor step up from Hoyer or that JFF has matured (don't laugh--Joe Thomas doesn't mess around and said yesterday that it's "night and day" with Manziel this year) and can give them competent play and 10 wins.

 

[ACamp1900]

I'll laugh if the Browns take Winston. The guy is a train wreck, as bad or worse than the Manziel pick. That is not the guy anyone should want to build their franchise around.

Mariotta may or may not be a decent QB at the next level. Chip Kelly Oregon QBs didn't really pan out in the NFL. Probably the best QB to come out of Oregon till now has been Joey Harrington, and that says a lot. He was well before Kelly's time too. I think a lot of those Oregon QBs are just products of the system, although Mariotta is probably the best one to come out of there.

I'm with grey here ulk, at very least Winston has legit pro QB tools... JFF was a head case AND lacked those skills...

 

[NDPhilly]

Think Winston is going to be a really good NFL QB. All the tools. Excellent leader. Just a little immature right now. If I wasn't a Eagles fan I'd want him so much more than Mariota in this draft.

 

[blueNDgold44]

I'm definitely on the Winston bandwagon. Watching Draft Academy he just seems like a college kid who had a lot of fun, made some mistakes, and genuinely loves football. Not to mention he has a big arm, and can make almost any throw. With the right people in his corner and a good support group I think he can be a big time star and take the NFL by storm.

 

[Irish Insanity]

Well, it's draft day. My Lions don't pick until later in the round and we don't have anyone expected to go high. I'm just not that interested this year.

 

[Huntr]

Raiders pick at 4.

My druthers: trade back if possible, Leonard Williams, Amari Cooper. In that order.

Doubtful they can trade, Williams likely not there, I'd be really happy w/Cooper.

 

[arrowryan]

Well, it's draft day. My Lions don't pick until later in the round and we don't have anyone expected to go high. I'm just not that interested this year.

Next year is going to be way different

 

[woolybug25]

I'm with grey here ulk, at very least Winston has legit pro QB tools... JFF was a head case AND lacked those skills...

Think Winston is going to be a really good NFL QB. All the tools. Excellent leader. Just a little immature right now. If I wasn't a Eagles fan I'd want him so much more than Mariota in this draft.

I'm definitely on the Winston bandwagon. Watching Draft Academy he just seems like a college kid who had a lot of fun, made some mistakes, and genuinely loves football. Not to mention he has a big arm, and can make almost any throw. With the right people in his corner and a good support group I think he can be a big time star and take the NFL by storm.

LOL @ you guys.

What QB in the league has been successful with a history like his? With a personality like his? Zero... that's how many. But please, keep believing in him.

I'll try to remember your fanboy posts when he crash and burns.

Don't you guys think that "made some mistakes" might be a bit of an understatement?

 

[dublinirish]

LOL @ you guys.

What QB in the league has been successful with a history like his? With a personality like his? Zero... that's how many. But please, keep believing in him.

I'll try to remember your fanboy posts when he crash and burns.

Don't you guys think that "made some mistakes" might be a bit of an understatement?

haha yeah im thinking the same, 90% of people don't change. Winston will have more distractions in the NFL than he ever did in college, plus having him stay in FL with the Bucs aint gonna cure him of his sense of entitlement.

 

[NDPhilly]

LOL @ you guys.

What QB in the league has been successful with a history like his? With a personality like his? Zero... that's how many. But please, keep believing in him.

I'll try to remember your fanboy posts when he crash and burns.

Don't you guys think that "made some mistakes" might be a bit of an understatement?

All he did was play around with a BB gun with some friends, yell "fuck her right in the pussy" standing on a table, and shoplift crab legs which we don't even know the real story of.

 

[ulukinatme]

LOL @ you guys.

What QB in the league has been successful with a history like his? With a personality like his? Zero... that's how many. But please, keep believing in him.

I'll try to remember your fanboy posts when he crash and burns.

Don't you guys think that "made some mistakes" might be a bit of an understatement?

Goddamn this. I feel like people are taking crazy pills, said the same thing when everyone was hyping Manziel. Last year on the Money Badger: "He's just having fun, he's really competitive come game time," etc. That doesn't cut it in the NFL. Good QBs are professional and work their ass off when they're off the field too. Sure, most QBs will go out and party a bit, but not like JFF does/did. When it comes to Winston, I question whether he really has a high football IQ to be an effective NFL QB. He threw a number of picks in college, and he'll only throw more in the NFL. I don't think he has the ability to properly break down a defense. The guy reminds me of Jamarcus Russell prior to getting fat and doing codeine...gifted athlete, but athleticism is only a portion of what you need at the next level.

Winston won't have the Tallahassee PD covering for his ass at the next level. He may get into more trouble in the NFL than he ever did in college.

 

[woolybug25]

All he did was play around with a BB gun with some friends, yell "fuck her right in the pussy" standing on a table, and shoplift crab legs which we don't even know the real story of.

Oh... and rape a girl.

 

[IrishLion]

All he did was play around with a BB gun with some friends, yell "fuck her right in the pussy" standing on a table, and shoplift crab legs which we don't even know the real story of.

When you isolate those things, they seem like normal immature, dumbass things.

But when it's one guy, and he's not learning from his past mistakes, AND he knows that he will play in the NFL some day, and yet STILL keeps messing up? That's a terrible pattern of behavior, tone-deaf, and ultimately just utterly moronic.

 

[NDPhilly]

Oh... and rape a girl.

yup keep believing that. Definitely was convicted of rape wasn't he?

 

[ulukinatme]

All he did was play around with a BB gun with some friends, yell "fuck her right in the pussy" standing on a table, and shoplift crab legs which we don't even know the real story of.

Oh... and rape a girl.

Not to mention the countless times he's opened his mouth and said stupid shit or he's done just plain stupid stuff, like suiting up for the Clemson game after he was suspended and then confronting Jimbo about it like "What's wrong?" Or just last week when he decided to tell everyone that he was getting the crab legs free under the table, that he didn't just walk out with them...which obviously makes more sense, but he was an idiot to even discuss the topic at this point. This is not the guy you want to lead your franchise. I still laugh when I read this story: 'Johnny Manziel disease' talk OK, good lesson for Jameis Winston, says Jimbo Fisher

"If I get Manziel disease, I want every one of you all to get your mikes and start slapping me on the head," Winston joked.

I realize that most of Winston's problems are off the field, but the guy just can't seem to avoid distractions. He's an inconsistent QB when he is on the field, and inconsistency doesn't breed great NFL QBs. Ultimately the real problem with Jameis Winston is this: It seems there's always a problem with Jameis Winston.

 

[ulukinatme]

yup keep believing that. Definitely was convicted of rape wasn't he?

Not getting convicted and innocence aren't the same thing. It's easy to dodge charges when the police department covers for you for a year and lets a case die. I think it's safe to say that there's enough smoke around that case to say there was some fire behind it. Jameis has shown he's willing to lie about free crab legs of all things to stay out of trouble, is it hard to believe he'd do the same regarding rape charges?

 

[woolybug25]

yup keep believing that. Definitely was convicted of rape wasn't he?

You really want to go there? Did OJ murder someone? In your world, I suppose not.

Let's not be intellectually dishonest here by trying to act like the situation didn't occur. Regardless of the court's decision (based primarily on the fact that the Talahassee PD and FSU completely screwed the pooch on the investigation), we cannot act like the accusation didn't occur and that he didn't put himself in the situation.

Sheesh...

 

[NDPhilly]

Oh please. If the same thing or something similar happened to a Notre Dame football player (cough Shembo cough) you'd be defending the hell out of him since he wasn't convicted. The accuser in Winston;s case just wants his money

 

[woolybug25]

Oh please. If the same thing or something similar happened to a Notre Dame football player (cough Shembo cough) you'd be defending the hell out of him since he wasn't convicted. The accuser in Winston;s case just wants his money

Oh please, my ass. Those are apples and oranges on all levels. Scenario, severity, scope and even the specific position they play (It's MUCH harder to be a contributor in the NFL as a QB then LB). The situations regarding the allegations, how they were handled and the personalities of the players. Even the scope of the allegations are drastically different. Your comparison shows your complete lack of either knowledge or understanding of the specific facts of each incident.

Not to mention... how is Shembo doing in the league? The original argument is that the situations are evidence that they will fail. Bringing up Shembo, outside of just being obnoxious, doesn't even prove your point. He certainly didn't overcome his scenario to succeed at the next level. At a position that requires far less maturity, no less.

Are you just gonna keep throwing shit against the wall hoping something sticks?

 

[pkt77242]

Oh please. If the same thing or something similar happened to a Notre Dame football player (cough Shembo cough) you'd be defending the hell out of him since he wasn't convicted. The accuser in Winston;s case just wants his money

She accused him of rape before he ever played a down at FSU? How could she just want his money? She wanted him prosecuted which would have meant jail time and would have meant no money for her. Hell the prosecutor (Meggs) even went on the record in the film and said that something bad happened that night but that he didn't have enough evidence to charge.

Can you not see that the attitude that you are showing towards the alleged rape is exactly what is wrong with our culture and how we handle it?

 

[NDPhilly]

Oh please, my ass. Those are apples and oranges on all levels. Scenario, severity, scope and even the specific position they play (It's MUCH harder to be a contributor in the NFL as a QB then LB). The situations regarding the allegations, how they were handled and the personalities of the players. Even the scope of the allegations are drastically different. Your comparison shows your complete lack of either knowledge or understanding of the specific facts of each incident.

Not to mention... how is Shembo doing in the league? The original argument is that the situations are evidence that they will fail. Bringing up Shembo, outside of just being obnoxious, doesn't even prove your point. He certainly didn't overcome his scenario to succeed at the next level. At a position that requires far less maturity, no less.

Are you just gonna keep throwing shit against the wall hoping something sticks?

I was addressing the accusation of rape that YOU brought up whatever its all good. I'd be willing to bet a ton that Winston is at the very least a moderately successful QB in the NFL. He is 100x the competitor and leader that Jamarcus Russell is and NFL scouts seem to agree.