2014 Fall Camp Thread

[irishog77]

My question is how the fuck do you have so many upperclassmen safeties who haven't learned to play the position? Straight talk... why can't Elliot get these guys coached up?

We're on the same page about that.

Part of me goes back to the differences in college and pro football. Pro has soooo many more hours dedicated to practice, working out, meetings, and film sessions, on top of their years of experience. In college, there are so many more restrictions on working out, practice, and coach-player interaction. Oh, and technically, the player should be taking a full load of classes as well.

And we know some of the best teams are not getting strong intellectuals to fill their 85 scholarship spots. So I think there can be too much "scheme" and "mental aspect" sometimes in the college game. I think pure athleticism and instincts matter a whole lot more in college than pro, due to the restrictions.

Sometimes, you gotta just let the guys go play.

 

[koonja]

Exactly, Ishaq plays opposite of Trumbetti. People also forgot how sick of a recruit Trumbetti was. So it may not even have that much to do with Okwara declining, but more that Trumbetti is just a badass.

And they're like the same age, Trumbetti is simply a more talented recruit.

 

[Crazy Balki]

LOL, Barry Manilow isn't a pump me up kind of singer.

I'm still waiting for a ND pump up with something like Soundgarden as the track.

 

[irishog77]

Says nothing about I. Williams, says a lot about Okwara though.

Maybe.

I'm still not buying that Williams is a true strong side DE. I'll believe it when I see it.

I think we're looking at Williams and Okwara as the 2 starting DE's by default, essentially. Nobody else on the roster has really ever played a snap in college football as 3-4 OLB/4-3 DE. Rochell is more of an interior guy/strong side DE and Hounshel played very sparingly...3 years ago.

 

[Bogtrotter07]

It was Steve Winwood, who the fuck doesn't like Steve Winwood?

Someone who thinks that Stevie Winwood is Barry Manilow? Who the fuck doesn't like Stevie Winwood?

 

[zelezo vlk]

Maybe.

I'm still not buying that Williams is a true strong side DE. I'll believe it when I see it.

I think we're looking at Williams and Okwara as the 2 starting DE's by default, essentially. Nobody else on the roster has really ever played a snap in college football as 3-4 OLB/4-3 DE. Rochell is more of an interior guy/strong side DE and Hounshel played very sparingly...3 years ago.

He's apparently impressed in camp (Williams). Definitely more than Romeo from what I've read.

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[koonja]

Maybe.

I'm still not buying that Williams is a true strong side DE. I'll believe it when I see it.

I think we're looking at Williams and Okwara as the 2 starting DE's by default, essentially. Nobody else on the roster has really ever played a snap in college football as 3-4 OLB/4-3 DE. Rochell is more of an interior guy/strong side DE and Hounshel played very sparingly...3 years ago.

What has Romeo shown that Ishaq hasn't? I've literally never noticed Romeo even on the field.

 

[Buster Bluth]

What has Romeo shown that Ishaq hasn't? I've literally never noticed Romeo even on the field.

Stop staring at Bryant on the sidelines.

 

[GBdomer]

Someone who thinks that Stevie Winwood is Barry Manilow? Who the fuck doesn't like Stevie Winwood?

That's I am saying man. Just trying to be back in the high life again

 

[irishog77]

That's I am saying man. Just trying to be back in the high life again

If you see a chance, take it, Valerie.

And gimme some good lovin,' while you're at it.

 

[GBdomer]

Take me a higher love!

 

[Huntr]

R & R Stew Pt 1 cranked to 11. Different kind of fired up...


That said, today's vid did get me hyped for some ND football.

 

[NDBoiler]

Maybe Elliot isn't the answer? Seems like an incredible person. I honestly don't know much about him or his track record. I know he was Diaco's boy. Does he even recruit?

Probably, but I'm sure he doesn't lift, bro.

 

[Sherm Sticky]

Speaking of TP's videos...has wildman been around lately? He is the genius behind the videos.

 

[TheChosen1]

New video of safeties can't post cause on phone on und.com

Bonner sighting running with the ones as LB in goal line packages.

 

[Wild Bill]

My question is how the fuck do you have so many upperclassmen safeties who haven't learned to play the position? Straight talk... why can't Elliot get these guys coached up?

Maybe they don't have the mental capacity to learn the position. You know, like the Rhodes Scholars playing in LSU's secondary.

We need brain surgeons out there playing safety, especially against a team like Navy. I mean, how the hell can we expect a ND student to recognize the three fucking plays Navy ran up our ass the entire game?

 

[SoIll]

Cooks was raving about Shumate in the latest video

 

[pkt77242]

It's really disappointing that with Hardy, Shummate, Baratti, and possibly Tranquill, Farley will still be getting major minutes over some of these guys. He's the defensive version of Tommy Rees.

Another issue I have (and it was with Diaco) is how it takes YEARS to understand a defensive position. These are freaking Notre Dame students, and it's football. Quit making it so confusing. Make it simple enough so the best athletes can play.

I find it interesting that we were blaming Diaco last year for this but BVG seems to get a free pass? I am starting to think that it is either the players or a BK issue since this is now been an issue under two DCs.

 

[woolybug25]

I find it interesting that we were blaming Diaco last year for this but BVG seems to get a free pass? I am starting to think that it is either the players or a BK issue since this is now been an issue under two DCs.

BVG has only been here a short time and we haven't even seen one of his teams on the field yet. Technically... we don't even know if it is a problem for him yet.

This evaluating of the team from clips of fall camp is getting ridiculous. Instant gratification or bust!

 

[koonja]

I find it interesting that we were blaming Diaco last year for this but BVG seems to get a free pass? I am starting to think that it is either the players or a BK issue since this is now been an issue under two DCs.

I think it's too early to say there's a learning curve issue with BVG. They started practice 8 days ago.

But back on Shummate. If I could pick one player on the team to 'get it' and move into the starting role, it'd be him at SS and Max at FS. That'd be so fun to watch. At this point, I'm hoping Colinsworth starts the game to set the tone, and Shummate ends up taking the most snaps.

 

[NDdomer2]

I think it's too early to say there's a learning curve issue with BVG. They started practice 8 days ago.

But back on Shummate. If I could pick one player on the team to 'get it' and move into the starting role, it'd be him at SS and Max at FS. That'd be so fun to watch. At this point, I'm hoping Colinsworth starts the game to set the tone, and Shummate ends up taking the most snaps.

Bvg has had his hands on this defense far more than 8 days. All of spring plus the new OTA's. Now your point still stands with him being new.

 

[pkt77242]

BVG has only been here a short time and we haven't even seen one of his teams on the field yet. Technically... we don't even know if it is a problem for him yet.

This evaluating of the team from clips of fall camp is getting ridiculous. Instant gratification or bust!

Nice try this has nothing to do with the videos but go ahead and think that, this purely has to do with the comments from Kelly and the reporters that it is Redfield at one safety spot and then Collinsworth at the other but Farley would be the back-up as they need a leader for the back of the defense. I actually am starting to believe that it is a BK issue that he has a preference to have one very experienced player at safety.

 

[pkt77242]

I think it's too early to say there's a learning curve issue with BVG. They started practice 8 days ago.

But back on Shummate. If I could pick one player on the team to 'get it' and move into the starting role, it'd be him at SS and Max at FS. That'd be so fun to watch. At this point, I'm hoping Colinsworth starts the game to set the tone, and Shummate ends up taking the most snaps.

Actually I am blaming BK not really BVG and as already pointed out BVG has had more than 8 days with them.

 

[woolybug25]

Nice try this has nothing to do with the videos but go ahead and think that, this purely has to do with the comments from Kelly and the reporters that it is Redfield at one safety spot and then Collinsworth at the other but Farley would be the back-up as they need a leader for the back of the defense. I actually am starting to believe that it is a BK issue that he has a preference to have one very experienced player at safety.

So... where did you hear the comments if they weren't on the videos? lol

I'm just saying, its super early to start making accusations of the quality of play of this team, considering we haven't stepped on the field yet. Some pretty broad, over reaching accusations you are putting down... with nothing more than comments you may or may not have heard on practice clips.

 

[pkt77242]

So... where did you hear the comments if they weren't on the videos? lol

I'm just saying, its super early to start making accusations of the quality of play of this team, considering we haven't stepped on the field yet. Some pretty broad, over reaching accusations you are putting down... with nothing more than comments you may or may not have heard on practice clips.

Very different taking the coach's word vs making a leap from a 2 minute video of practice. So LOL right back at you. Also he has had press conferences as well.

Where the Hell are you getting this Shit from? Where did I make an accusation about the quality of play of the team? I said that Kelly seems to have a preference to have at least one very experience/knowledgeable safety on the field and that we were blaming Diaco for this last year but it is continuing again this year (so probably completely a Diaco issue). Stop putting words in my mouth.

 

[woolybug25]

Very different taking the coach's word vs making a leap from a 2 minute video of practice. So LOL right back at you. Also he has had press conferences as well.

Where the Hell are you getting this Shit from? Where did I make an accusation about the quality of play of the team? I said that Kelly seems to have a preference to have at least one very experience/knowledgeable safety on the field and that we were blaming Diaco for this last year but it is continuing again this year (so probably completely a Diaco issue). Stop putting words in my mouth.

Chill the fuck out, dude. If you want to get so defensive, then what's the point of having a conversation on here?

If you can't understand what i'm getting at, then either reread or simply forget about it. No skin off my back.

 

[NDdomer2]

https://vimeo.com/103020256

Not sure when this was filmed but fell like it addresses some confusion in the safety QB debate. Sounds like under Fiasco he did want one guy on back end running the show. But, Max says BVG has enabled the whole defense to communicate. Now, Max may still be behind Austin as far as knowledge/experience but that doesn't mean Max has no input as to what he sees/feels.

 

[GoldenDomer]

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[dshans]

If you see a chance, take it, Valerie.

And gimme some good lovin,' while you're at it.

40,000 Headmen can't be wrong ...

 

[BeauBenken]

I realize people want to see Shumate play because of how talented he is athletically, but I don't think we should just assume Collinsworth is some slouch. If not for injury, Collinsworth would have been starting at safety before this year.