'18 PA QB Phil Jurkovec (Wherever I May Roam Chud)

[Luckylucci]

Going to spill over to tight ends too when people realize Kelly continues to start back up quarterbacks that can see the middle of the field.

Rooting for ya PJ!!!
#2025

Dude, really?.

The year after we just had the first TE go off the board in the draft people are going to worry about this?

Or after the game where our TE's were the best receiving weapons we had?

 

[Ndaccountant]

I was and still am a Phil fan and hope he does well. But I do not care what gets reported, if he was good enough to beat out Book in practice he would have played.

I hear what you are saying, but the counter to that is did the coaching staff put in the time to developing him so he could eventually beat him out?

 

[dad4aa]

I hear what you are saying, but the counter to that is did the coaching staff put in the time to developing him so he could eventually beat him out?

More important...according to the rumors...was HE did not put the time in to beat Ian out.

 

[Ndaccountant]

More important...according to the rumors...was HE did not put the time in to beat Ian out.

I guess we will see. I don't know, I wasn't there. But there have been times in the past where BK has mentioned he doesn't coach mechanics. Sounds like he has a coach now that does. It probably wasn't a good fit from the start. Best of luck to him, I really do hope he does well.

 

[Irish#1]

Nobody says that

Ok

 

[dad4aa]

I do too. Hoping he gets to play a lot this weekend.

 

[IrishLax]

Yeah sorry I don’t wish Phil any luck at all. First of all, he checked out last year after not being given a shot, and he never owns that. Second, I don't think it's a good look to be posting what he did on social media or giving the interviews he's giving to air dirty laundry.

Contrast that to how Wimbush handled himself.

The truth is usually somewhere in the middle of both sides, and I’ve heard both sides. Even the middle is not a good look for him. And I’m strongly inclined to believe the version of events players/coaches all say is the truth.

 

[fightingirish26]

Yeah sorry I don’t wish Phil any luck at all. First of all, he was entitled and put in no work at ND and expected things to be handed to him. Second, on his way out the door he got the one person on the beat who would print his narrative - Driskell - to bad mouth the coaches and the program. Then he went on social media and posted more bullshit. And now he’s STILL talking about ND.

Contrast that to how Wimbush handled himself.

The truth is usually somewhere in the middle of both sides, and I’ve heard both sides. Even the middle is not a good look for him. And I’m strongly inclined to believe the version of events players/coaches all say is the truth.

Mostly this. I remember tuning in to watch Cincy to root for Gunner Kiel. Can't say I'll do the same with Phil and BC.

 

[NDVirginia19]

Just read the Post Gazette article. Seems like a whole lot of throwing the blame off of himself and onto the coaching staff. While perhaps the coaching staff did fail Jurkovec, I think it's pretty damning on his part that he wasn't willing to take any of the responsibility for his own shortcomings. That's just not the right attitude to have

 

[ulukinatme]

A 5-star Philure?

 

[snoopdog]

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2552638-can-a-two-quarterback-system-really-work-in-college-football

Notre Dame has more than two qb’s. The quote is if you have two starting qb’s you don’t have a starter.

 

[phillyirish]

Like they say, when you have two quarterbacks you have no quarterback.

You’re thinking of regional managers.

https://youtu.be/8uTP_EaXLg0

 

[ThePiombino]

Notre Dame has more than two qb’s. The quote is if you have two starting qb’s you don’t have a starter.

I'm fairly certain the original adage verbatim is, "If you have two quarterbacks, you have none." Though the spirit of what is being said is very much in line with not having a solo #1.

 

[GowerND11]

Notre Dame has more than two qb’s. The quote is if you have two starting qb’s you don’t have a starter.

So now you're splitting hairs? Admit your mistake man...

 

[NDdomer2]

Notre Dame has more than two qb’s. The quote is if you have two starting qb’s you don’t have a starter.

ha, this is exactly what id expect my wife to respond with after realizing she was wrong.

 

[PANDFAN]

Notre Dame has more than two qb’s. The quote is if you have two starting qb’s you don’t have a starter.

While an old, hoary football cliche states, “If you have two quarterbacks, you have no quarterback,”

geez man, it was in the exact article he posted

 

[IrishLax]

Just read the Post Gazette article. Seems like a whole lot of throwing the blame off of himself and onto the coaching staff. While perhaps the coaching staff did fail Jurkovec, I think it's pretty damning on his part that he wasn't willing to take any of the responsibility for his own shortcomings. That's just not the right attitude to have

Agreed. It's the lack of accountability/ownership while eagerly throwing everyone else under the bus that rubs me the wrong way.

Here's the story I've heard over the past year, synthesized to the "middle" to be as fair as possible. There are a lot of different versions of this, but I think core facts are reasonably accurate.

Coming into year 2, he was pretty miffed that he wasn't given a chance to compete with Book. Which is understandable... you're a top rated player and the incumbent starter isn't some NFL caliber player.

The coaching on the offensive side of the ball was extremely toxic last year. Chip Long, by all accounts, rubbed a lot of people the wrong way. And that's being mild. Some people said that if he was retained there was going to be a mass mutiny/exodus of players. So it's not unique to Phil that he didn't see eye to eye with Chip Long. I also heard he had problems with some other coaches.

Phil also isn't the only person to go through something like this. Similar stuff happened with Kizer before Zaire got hurt... he was very close to quitting football... and it happens to a lot of people at a lot of programs. Many people love it and stay passionate no matter their role, but many people do not. Regardless of toxicity or bad coaching.

A lot of people said he checked out and was just going through the motions by the middle of the season. This is a chicken-and-egg thing. If coaches perceive that you're checked out and not investing in yourself, why are they going to invest in you? I think a lot of the friction stems from the fact that "they" didn't like his attitude/approach/progression, because I would bet dollars to donuts that if they thought he was ready that they either would've given him a legitimate shot/more reps last year, or would've told Book to move on. Because that's what they've done for about a decade now in similar situations with Kelly and his QBs... he ultimately plays the guy who gives him the best chance to win, and even for beloved guys like Wimbush he's not afraid to pull the trigger to the "next" guy.

I'm not going to speculate on why he checked out, it could be as simple as internalizing the overall program toxicity. Or it could be pouting about not being given a fair opportunity. Or it could be that ND didn't match his expectations and that was depressing. Or insert any reason. No one knows for sure but him. And it makes total sense for him to move on given the circumstances and being put in a situation to sit for another year behind Book.

But I think it's poor form -- regardless of his experiences -- for him to be posting pics of himself locked up with Kelly as the jailer or giving interviews where he implies that ND just literally doesn't coach QBs. I can tell you that ND does very normal QB coaching in and out of season. Every program has their own style, and maybe ND's didn't work for him because his mechanics were so unorthodox coming in, but saying things "weren't available to him" begs the question of what work he was putting in on his own time; whether he was engaged and asking for those kind of resources; etc.

It is what it is, and if he lights it up at BC and becomes an NFL player then you have to point the finger at Kelly/Long/Rees for failing as coaches to adapt to the player and maximize their abilities. But as things stand, he's just one of many transfers who moved on because he didn't connect with the coaches.... except that he continues to air dirty laundry on multiple platforms, bad mouth the people/program, and take no accountability for his own actions. Given all of that, I can't say I'll be rooting like I've done with some other ND transfers.

 

[Irish2155]

I see Duke and BC play at noon on CHSS. What the heck channel is that? Was hoping to see some of Phil's picks prior to turning over to NBC.

That, of course, is assuming he can beat out BC's crap QB from last year... It'd be a bit embarrassing to be listed as a co-starter next to that guy.

Don't quite understand why any ND fan would root for him given the way he's gone about his exit but to each his own I guess.

 

[PANDFAN]

I see Duke and BC play at noon on CHSS. What the heck channel is that? Was hoping to see some of Phil's picks prior to turning over to NBC.

That, of course, is assuming he can beat out BC's crap QB from last year... It'd be a bit embarrassing to be listed as a co-starter next to that guy.

Don't quite understand why any ND fan would root for him given the way he's gone about his exit but to each his own I guess.

i see espn3

 

[NDohio]

I see Duke and BC play at noon on CHSS. What the heck channel is that? Was hoping to see some of Phil's picks prior to turning over to NBC.

That, of course, is assuming he can beat out BC's crap QB from last year... It'd be a bit embarrassing to be listed as a co-starter next to that guy.

Don't quite understand why any ND fan would root for him given the way he's gone about his exit but to each his own I guess.

Just FYI - The ND game is on USA Network.

 

[Irish2155]

i see espn3

Thank you, sir. I'm looking on my CBSSports ap and it still shows CHSS...never heard of that channel before. Most be code for ESPN3

 

[Some Irish Bloke]

It is what it is, and if he lights it up at BC and becomes an NFL player then you have to point the finger at Kelly/Long/Rees for failing as coaches to adapt to the player and maximize their abilities. But as things stand, he's just one of many transfers who moved on because he didn't connect with the coaches.... except that he continues to air dirty laundry on multiple platforms, bad mouth the people/program, and take no accountability for his own actions. Given all of that, I can't say I'll be rooting like I've done with some other ND transfers.

Thanks for the background and the great info LAX. Considering all of that, I would have to agree with you that there is no reason to "pull for Phil," not that I look for a reason to cheer for BC regardless.

Sounds like he bought into his hype coming here and he developed a sense of entitlement along the way. If you're going to unseat a starting QB who was coming into your second year with a playoff berth and a 9-1 record, you have to earn it. No one cares what your pedigree coming out of HS is. Agree that's a really bad look for Phil to push the blame solely on the coaches.

 

[PANDFAN]

After reading the article, you can really feel he FELT like he was getting a raw deal but also he seemed to throw a bunch of shade at the ND experience.....either way, when people have this kind of energy blaming others, trashing coaches etc...it never really works out in the end because instead of accepting your responsibility and looking internally at your short comings, you will look to blame others......i will eat crow if he lights it up there...but i have feeling he will NOT be drafted or make the NFL....that kind of attitude at the QB position is a HUUUUGE red flag

 

[dad4aa]

Agreed. It's the lack of accountability/ownership while eagerly throwing everyone else under the bus that rubs me the wrong way.

Here's the story I've heard over the past year, synthesized to the "middle" to be as fair as possible. There are a lot of different versions of this, but I think core facts are reasonably accurate.

Coming into year 2, he was pretty miffed that he wasn't given a chance to compete with Book. Which is understandable... you're a top rated player and the incumbent starter isn't some NFL caliber player.

The coaching on the offensive side of the ball was extremely toxic last year. Chip Long, by all accounts, rubbed a lot of people the wrong way. And that's being mild. Some people said that if he was retained there was going to be a mass mutiny/exodus of players. So it's not unique to Phil that he didn't see eye to eye with Chip Long. I also heard he had problems with some other coaches.

Phil also isn't the only person to go through something like this. Similar stuff happened with Kizer before Zaire got hurt... he was very close to quitting football... and it happens to a lot of people at a lot of programs. Many people love it and stay passionate no matter their role, but many people do not. Regardless of toxicity or bad coaching.

A lot of people said he checked out and was just going through the motions by the middle of the season. This is a chicken-and-egg thing. If coaches perceive that you're checked out and not investing in yourself, why are they going to invest in you? I think a lot of the friction stems from the fact that "they" didn't like his attitude/approach/progression, because I would bet dollars to donuts that if they thought he was ready that they either would've given him a legitimate shot/more reps last year, or would've told Book to move on. Because that's what they've done for about a decade now in similar situations with Kelly and his QBs... he ultimately plays the guy who gives him the best chance to win, and even for beloved guys like Wimbush he's not afraid to pull the trigger to the "next" guy.

I'm not going to speculate on why he checked out, it could be as simple as internalizing the overall program toxicity. Or it could be pouting about not being given a fair opportunity. Or it could be that ND didn't match his expectations and that was depressing. Or insert any reason. No one knows for sure but him. And it makes total sense for him to move on given the circumstances and being put in a situation to sit for another year behind Book.

But I think it's poor form -- regardless of his experiences -- for him to be posting pics of himself locked up with Kelly as the jailer or giving interviews where he implies that ND just literally doesn't coach QBs. I can tell you that ND does very normal QB coaching in and out of season. Every program has their own style, and maybe ND's didn't work for him because his mechanics were so unorthodox coming in, but saying things "weren't available to him" begs the question of what work he was putting in on his own time; whether he was engaged and asking for those kind of resources; etc.

It is what it is, and if he lights it up at BC and becomes an NFL player then you have to point the finger at Kelly/Long/Rees for failing as coaches to adapt to the player and maximize their abilities. But as things stand, he's just one of many transfers who moved on because he didn't connect with the coaches.... except that he continues to air dirty laundry on multiple platforms, bad mouth the people/program, and take no accountability for his own actions. Given all of that, I can't say I'll be rooting like I've done with some other ND transfers.

Thanks Lax, had no idea he was doing this. I never saw the articles (only the twitter pic of him behind bars). This changes my thoughts on him as well. While I don't wish him bad luck, I will not be pulling for him.

 

[Irishize]

My opinion on BK & QBs continues to evolve. Thus far, I don’t think the blame lands 100% on one person. Yes, BK is the HC so he may ultimately be where the buck stops but I’m trying to look outside the ND bubble over the past decade at QB transfers & progression throughout the nation for context.

Here’s the most recent article I found which details the top 14 transfer QBs going into 2020. It doesn’t refer to COVID or the fact that JT Daniels settled on UGA so it must’ve been compiled in early 2020. You’ll see a lot of top prospects who battled injury or were overacted and you’ll see a few prospects who exceeded their rating and wanted to capitalize on that.

https://247sports.com/LongFormArtic...-JT-Daniels-DEriq-King-KJ-Costello-147023318/

I think what’s led me to the “wait & see” approach is the fact that none of the QBs who transferred from ND performed well...if at all...at QB. I’m guessing Crist, Kiel & Jurkovec were the highest rated coming out of HS. Crist & Kiel (both 5*) proved to be busts. My hope is that the arrival of Tyler Buchner will move the dial as far as who will be blamed for lack of QB success at ND.

 

[Wild Bill]

Lax's post makes a ton of sense when you consider all factors. I had a similar experience playing in college, albeit at a smaller program. Staff chose to play a guy with more experience over me and my reaction was to check out for the year. I hated every minute of being on the field that year, went through the motions and assumed it would be the last year I'd play.

Last game of the year, a one gets slightly injured, my number gets called and my head is so far up my own ass that I didn't even know I was being called on to get in the game. The staff called a timeout and then I marched my sorry ass out there.

Staff didn't say a word to me b/c they knew I checked out and probably blamed themselves for keeping me in the two deep. A senior walked up to me after the series and calmly/matter of factly said "you're better than this". That really stuck with me. I re-committed myself that offseason and started the following year.

There's probably a kernel of truth to what Phil is saying. It was true I was more talented than the guy who started over me but the way I reacted to not starting gave the staff comfort in their decision and made it easy on them during the year when their horse got whipped week after week. Had I continued to push, I would have taken his job by the end of the year. That's on me, not the staff. I didn't fully understand this until years later bc I was young, naive and incapable of critically recognizing and analyzing my own deficiencies.

So yeah, Phil may have dealt with some shitty coaching and perhaps shitty coaching decisions, but he handled them poorly and is still handling it poorly. He'll probably mature over the next few years and understand that his failures at ND had more to do with him than anyone else. That said, I'm glad he found a good landing spot and wish him the best.

 

[FightingIrishLover7]

"The truth lies somewhere in between"

 

[T Town Tommy]

Some of the issues with players can be spotted during the recruiting cycle while they are still in high school. That's why I think you see coaches passing on some highly rated players and, as fans, we are like how can you not offer this player. There are reasons we sometimes don't know about but fit within your program has to be there. I don't remember much about Phil's recruitment and there may not have been any signs of what appears to be entitlement or a less willingness to compete. But it should serve as a reminder to us fans that we don't see everything about a player and we should learn to trust the decisions of the coaching staff on who is offered and who isn't, who is playing and who isn't, etc.

I do know this. Phil is now on another team and the only energy expended on him by fans should be when he suits up against Notre Dame. The rest really isn't worth it in the end.

 

[hungryhippo]

Some of the issues with players can be spotted during the recruiting cycle while they are still in high school. That's why I think you see coaches passing on some highly rated players and, as fans, we are like how can you not offer this player. There are reasons we sometimes don't know about but fit within your program has to be there. I don't remember much about Phil's recruitment and there may not have been any signs of what appears to be entitlement or a less willingness to compete. But it should serve as a reminder to us fans that we don't see everything about a player and we should learn to trust the decisions of the coaching staff on who is offered and who isn't, who is playing and who isn't, etc.

I do know this. Phil is now on another team and the only energy expended on him by fans should be when he suits up against Notre Dame. The rest really isn't worth it in the end.

This is a great post.

 

[ShroudedInMystery]

Some of the issues with players can be spotted during the recruiting cycle while they are still in high school. That's why I think you see coaches passing on some highly rated players and, as fans, we are like how can you not offer this player. There are reasons we sometimes don't know about but fit within your program has to be there. I don't remember much about Phil's recruitment and there may not have been any signs of what appears to be entitlement or a less willingness to compete. But it should serve as a reminder to us fans that we don't see everything about a player and we should learn to trust the decisions of the coaching staff on who is offered and who isn't, who is playing and who isn't, etc.

I do know this. Phil is now on another team and the only energy expended on him by fans should be when he suits up against Notre Dame. The rest really isn't worth it in the end.

Agreed. It's amazing to me how big people's egos are as they assume their understanding of a situation is better than the coaching staff's.