'18 OR ATH Braden Lenzy (Notre Dame Signee)

[koonja]

Awesome news.

Does anyone think running track will hurt his development at WR? Track requires you to stay light, and DBs can get away with that. But you want your WRs to put on muscle for obvious reasons.

 

[irishnd31]

But you want your WRs to put on muscle for obvious reasons.

 

[Ironman8]

Awesome news.

Does anyone think running track will hurt his development at WR? Track requires you to stay light, and DBs can get away with that. But you want your WRs to put on muscle for obvious reasons.

Sprints definitely don't require you to stay light - actually I've found the opposite. Building muscle, especially in the legs is big for sprinting. It's the intermediate and longer distances which require you to stay light.

I can't imagine Braden is running anything longer than the 200.

 

[greyhammer90]

 

[BeauBenken]

Sprints definitely don't require you to stay light - actually I've found the opposite. Building muscle, especially in the legs is big for sprinting. It's the intermediate and longer distances which require you to stay light.

I can't imagine Braden is running anything longer than the 200.

The 200 is what he's best at.

 

[Wild Bill]

Awesome news.

Does anyone think running track will hurt his development at WR? Track requires you to stay light, and DBs can get away with that. But you want your WRs to put on muscle for obvious reasons.

Definitely think it helps, and agree with IM that sprinters can carry muscle bulk without an issue.

In my experience, receivers with a track background have a greater understanding of the importance of repetition and are able to maintain a high level of concentration during each rep. Route running is like sprinting - you have to take rep after rep to perfect the craft. There is no other way. Average receivers go through the motions when they take reps and great receivers focus on each rep. They actually focus on every movement of every rep which is another reason track helps receivers. They understand body movement and how wasted movements prevent them from getting to point B from point A as fast as possible.

Give me all the track guys on the perimeter and all the wrestlers in the trenches.

 

[koonja]

Well then happy to be wrong about the track concern I had!

 

[BobbyMac]

This absurd and it's not the first time you wanted to force fit kids into two way play. It's stupid to set an expectation level up like you do.

Lenzy has a year of HS to go. Let's see how he developes. When he arrives at ND let him get acclimated to ND academics, and EITHER the ND offense OR the ND defense. He gets 20 hours of contact time to train and he has to maintain academic eligibilty something some others haven't focused on like they should have.

He does NOT have the speed of Adoree Jackson at this point. He doesn't have Fuller's either.



16 for '16: College football’s fastest players
Chase Goodbread
College Football 24/7 writer

2. Adoree' Jackson, CB, USC
The Trojans' do-it-all athlete on the football field is also a two-time All-American in track. His track specialty is the long jump. He finished 10th in the finals for the event at the U.S. Olympic Trials this month. His accomplishments as a sprinter leave no doubt about his speed. Jackson was clocked at 10.41 seconds in the 100 meters and 21.08 in the 200 meters during the 2016 outdoor season. He also blazed a 6.75 60-meter time in the indoor season. Jackson's wheels translate to the football field in all kinds of ways, such as this punt return for a score against rival UCLA last November.

FYI, Adoree Jackson wasn't track god fast as a Jr. in HS. Adoree was a track god long jumper. His 10.4 was last year as a multi year member of SC track not as a Jr. in HS. It doesn't matter who's faster on a track, just who's football faster because there's a huge difference - go ask Will Fuller and Breezy. But it's not fair to say he doesn't have Adoree speed at this time because age for age they are very comparable.

*** Ah nevermind. Got busy in another tab after reading this, didn't refresh the post and Panda covered it.


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[woolybug25]

Well then happy to be wrong about the track concern I had!

 

[Bogtrotter07]

Lenzy continues Irish recruiting roll - Notre Dame - Scout
7:47 PM



Lenzy's Stats
Braden Lenzy @ Tigard High School - OregonLive.com

YR    RUSH AVE	ATT	YD	REC     YD     YPC   LONG     TDS
2016	11.8	12	142	43	840	19.5	66	5
2015				18	524	29.1	83	6
CAREER	11.8	12	142	61	1364	22.4	83	11

At 6-1, 175, 4.47, I like him at CB or WR , versatile (KR/PR?), a welcome addition to the class.

The 4.47 (electronic) speed is good but not the Fuller NFL Combine 4.32.

At this point I prefer Braden's and Gervin's 4.38 (handheld?) speed at the corners. Depends on how they with a year of HS left, and others in HS and already on the team develop.

I understand your point. But I am going to deflect it without agreeing or disagreeing.

How cool is it that the ND staff said "Come here, we will figure it out later," really?

What if they would have done that with Zeke Elliott? And there are others.

That is my favorite thing, beside the raw talent.

For the CB camp, this kid can change direction and accelerate explosively, and is long.

For the WR camp, speed, and hands.

What I am more interested in his his Pro Shuttle. That is where he owned 'illspeed' two weeks ago, oh yeah, and his leaping ability.

Look at all three times, between the two (BL and WF), and forget about BL's hands being elite plus right now. I think either way we have a kid with potential enough, I just see him as, or more unstopable that WF was.

 

[Irish#1]

Definitely think it helps, and agree with IM that sprinters can carry muscle bulk without an issue.

In my experience, receivers with a track background have a greater understanding of the importance of repetition and are able to maintain a high level of concentration during each rep. Route running is like sprinting - you have to take rep after rep to perfect the craft. There is no other way. Average receivers go through the motions when they take reps and great receivers focus on each rep. They actually focus on every movement of every rep which is another reason track helps receivers. They understand body movement and how wasted movements prevent them from getting to point B from point A as fast as possible.

Give me all the track guys on the perimeter and all the wrestlers in the trenches.

While I don't necessarily disagree, there have been plenty of track guys that don't pan out as receivers, but that's because they were strictly track guys then had to learn to deal with the physicality of the game. Renaldo Nehemiah is one that comes to mind. Playing football while running track should remove that hurdle.

 

[Luckylucci]

This absurd and it's not the first time you wanted to force fit kids into two way play. It's stupid to set an expectation level up like you do.

Lenzy has a year of HS to go. Let's see how he developes. When he arrives at ND let him get acclimated to ND academics, and EITHER the ND offense OR the ND defense. He gets 20 hours of contact time to train and he has to maintain academic eligibilty something some others haven't focused on like they should have.

He does NOT have the speed of Adoree Jackson at this point. He doesn't have Fuller's either.



16 for '16: College football’s fastest players
Chase Goodbread
College Football 24/7 writer

2. Adoree' Jackson, CB, USC
The Trojans' do-it-all athlete on the football field is also a two-time All-American in track. His track specialty is the long jump. He finished 10th in the finals for the event at the U.S. Olympic Trials this month. His accomplishments as a sprinter leave no doubt about his speed. Jackson was clocked at 10.41 seconds in the 100 meters and 21.08 in the 200 meters during the 2016 outdoor season. He also blazed a 6.75 60-meter time in the indoor season. Jackson's wheels translate to the football field in all kinds of ways, such as this punt return for a score against rival UCLA last November.

In regards to Fuller comment, what is completely lost in trying to make that point, is he's actually faster than Fuller at a comparable stage in development. Fuller ran a 4.5 40 at a regional Nike event in the spring of his Junior year. So considering Lenzy ran a 4.47, he's actually faster, again at a similar age. This notion that Fuller came in running a 4.32, isn't accurate. He was fast, but not that fast. Like Ironman stated, sprinters get faster through development of their lower bodies. Something Lenzy will probably do as well.

 

[Veritate Duce Progredi]

While I don't necessarily disagree, there have been plenty of track guys that don't pan out as receivers, but that's because they were strictly track guys then had to learn to deal with the physicality of the game. Renaldo Nehemiah is one that comes to mind. Playing football while running track should remove that hurdle.

Yeah, the distinction lies is their primary focus. There are track guys who play football and there are football players who run track.

I think Lenzy, given his tape and upbringing, is a football guy who runs track. That bodes well for the next level.

 

[Cackalacky]

Awesome news.

Does anyone think running track will hurt his development at WR? Track requires you to stay light, and DBs can get away with that. But you want your WRs to put on muscle for obvious reasons.

No it doesnt

 

[BGIF]

Awesome news.

Does anyone think running track will hurt his development at WR? Track requires you to stay light, and DBs can get away with that. But you want your WRs to put on muscle for obvious reasons.

Rocket ran track at ND. Didn't hurt him at all. Rocket didn't need muscle (bulk) his objective was not to run over defenders but use his muscle tone to run past them.

 

[BobbyMac]

While I don't necessarily disagree, there have been plenty of track guys that don't pan out as receivers, but that's because they were strictly track guys then had to learn to deal with the physicality of the game. Renaldo Nehemiah is one that comes to mind. Playing football while running track should remove that hurdle.

 

[BobbyMac]

I didn't catch this yesterday. Doesn't Braden know only losers tweet at players?

Really surprised no one has set him straight yet.

 

[Domina Nostra]

Rocket ran track at ND. Didn't hurt him at all. Rocket didn't need muscle (bulk) his objective was not to run over defenders but use his muscle tone to run past them.

Here it is:

- Track hurts you if your goal is to be the best possible track athlete you can be, regardless of its effect on football.

- Track does not hurt you if the goal is to be the best football athlete you can be, and are willing to live with the fact that the way you train and eat may not be maximizing your track potential.

 

[GBdomer]

I didn't catch this yesterday. Doesn't Braden know only losers tweet at players?

Really surprised no one has set him straight yet.

Fans tweeting at recruits is ridiculous. Supposedly 70 ND fans tweeted at Malik Vann yesterday.

 

[GBdomer]

Why not allow him to play both ways? Like the kid from USC. PLay him at Corner and WR.

Because while he might run straight line speed as fast as Adoree Jackson he isn't as explosive or sudden quickness or the shift of Adoree Jackson. He was a freak in college and played both ways at a very high level. Plus the endurance and mental magnitude to play both ways is probably ridiculous. It's unfair to you to do this and ridiculous in my opinion. So many guys play corner and WR in high school but then there are those freaks who come along every 10 years who can play both at a very high level and Adoree is one of them and I don't think Braden is one of them. Off the top of your head name guys who played both ways at an ELITE level. You might think of a handful

 

[BobbyMac]

Fans tweeting at recruits is ridiculous. Supposedly 70 ND fans tweeted at Malik Vann yesterday.

Still my position there's nothing wrong with tweeting Go Irish!, WeAreND! or #IrishbouND18 at a player if you want to... "Show them some love."

Apparently Braden thinks it's a good idea and was encouraging it. I'm gonna side with him. If he was making a mistake, I'm sure his Dad would have set him straight. He knows a thing or two about marketing and effective use of social media.

I can't believe I'm having this bizzaro world exchange with you. I've never sports tweeted in my life and I've been reading your exploits for years.


*** And I just checked Vann's account, he retweeted a bunch of them and responded "My Lord" to Braden. Seems to me like that was a positive and he enjoyed the attention.

Someone tell me what I'm missing.(???)

 

[Shamrock Theories]

Still my position there's nothing wrong with tweeting Go Irish!, WeAreND! or #IrishbouND18 at a player if you want to... "Show them some love."

Apparently Braden thinks it's a good idea and was encouraging it. I'm gonna side with him. If he was making a mistake, I'm sure his Dad would have set him straight. He knows a thing or two about marketing and effective use of social media.

I can't believe I'm having this bizzaro world exchange with you. I've never sports tweeted in my life and I've been reading your exploits for years.


*** And I just checked Vann's account, he retweeted a bunch of them and responded "My Lord" to Braden. Seems to me like that was a positive and he enjoyed the attention.

Someone tell me what I'm missing.(???)

lol

 

[woolybug25]

Still my position there's nothing wrong with tweeting Go Irish!, WeAreND! or #IrishbouND18 at a player if you want to... "Show them some love."

Apparently Braden thinks it's a good idea and was encouraging it. I'm gonna side with him. If he was making a mistake, I'm sure his Dad would have set him straight. He knows a thing or two about marketing and effective use of social media.

I can't believe I'm having this bizzaro world exchange with you. I've never sports tweeted in my life and I've been reading your exploits for years.


*** And I just checked Vann's account, he retweeted a bunch of them and responded "My Lord" to Braden. Seems to me like that was a positive and he enjoyed the attention.

Someone tell me what I'm missing.(???)

You honestly don't see the difference between a commit tweeting another recruit and a fan doing it?

Are you being obtuse?

 

[IrishLax]

I actually see some wiggle room on "don't tweet recruits"... I think it's totally OK to "like" or "retweet" something they post.

Anything else is on the sliding scale from most benign to super creepy.

 

[calvegas04]

Braden asking Irish fans to tweet Vann

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">EVERY NOTRE DAME FAN WE NEED THIS DUDE! Tweet at him and show him love! Let's get this hashtag trending <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/VannToSouthBend?src=hash">#VannToSouthBend</a> <a href="https://t.co/UjOPikgqmi">https://t.co/UjOPikgqmi</a></p>— Braden Lenzy (@blspeedy21) <a href="https://twitter.com/blspeedy21/status/834582104570617856">February 23, 2017</a></blockquote>
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[GBdomer]

I actually see some wiggle room on "don't tweet recruits"... I think it's totally OK to "like" or "retweet" something they post.

Anything else is on the sliding scale from most benign to super creepy.

This is what I was getting at. I have no problem with congratulating someone or saying good luck. I hope Braden is tweeting other recruits and recruiting for us. I am talking about fans full blown tweeting recruits and trying to recruit them. I have a very strong dislike and disagree with it 110%. This is what I'm talking about Crusader.

I am also not in favor or Braden telling ND fans to tweet and go after Malik Vann. Leave that up to the coaches and recruits. Take Nebraska fans for example, they do more recruiting then their actual coaches. It doesn't really work for them. Leave the crootin to the recruits and coaches and people affiliated to the ND football program.

Example Jafar Armstrong says major announcement coming tomorrow. First comment is a sweaty creepy fan in the background with a smirk. I busted out laughing at this because nothing screams COME TO ND more than this.
Damefan is a good dude but he's got a reputation and stuff like this is what I'm talking about.

 

[BobbyMac]

You honestly don't see the difference between a commit tweeting another recruit and a fan doing it?

Are you being obtuse?

This question has nothing to do with what I'm talking about. You're moving the goal posts by lengthening the field.

 

[BobbyMac]

I actually see some wiggle room on "don't tweet recruits"... I think it's totally OK to "like" or "retweet" something they post.

Anything else is on the sliding scale from most benign to super creepy.

Obviously the infamous Grubl dude (before my time) did some out of bounds, full on creepster tweeting. I've seen it from others. I've seen "grown" men arguing with other fanbases in full on hypertroll fashion but 99% of the tweets i see directed at recruits are positive and innocuous.

 

[GBdomer]

Obviously the infamous Grubl dude (before my time) did some out of bounds, full on creepster tweeting. I've seen it from others. I've seen "grown" men arguing with other fanbases in full on hypertroll fashion but 99% of the tweets i see directed at recruits are positive and innocuous.

You responded to one of his posts earlier lol. While I agree with some of what you said I still don't think it's necessary. It's the worst when other fanbases get in arguments about recruits tweets and argues while school B is better then school A. Also can get ugly when a recruit doesn't go to a school the FANS wanted them too. Also the begging and creepiness by fanbases is also what makes tweeting at recruits ugly. Just don't do it IMO at all because it doesn't affect them or matter to recruits at all.

 

[Me2SouthBend]

Fans tweeting at recruits is ridiculous. Supposedly 70 ND fans tweeted at Malik Vann yesterday.

Did 70 fans tweet at him or did Grubl aka Irishfanhavemercy do it 70 times?