'17 TX QB Avery Davis (Notre Dame Man)

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A little trip down memory lane.

I think this guy is going to be special. If Finke went from a walk-on to a starter, Davis potentially has an even brighter future. Dude has more even more wiggle than I expected.

And a quick shout out to our departed homie Drake29. He brought out the best in me... From the class of 2014 DL haul transferring out to D Hayes being a 6-4/260 DE and not a linebacker, to AD being a Slot/APB.

The world of college football is littered with WR's that used to be QB's.

I'm good with this as long as they grab 2 this cycle. Davis is going to make a great receiver.

Davis is the type of athlete that brings flexibility. My guess is Davis gets on the field no matter who's above him on the depth chart at QB, like a college version of Randall Cobb.

There's been more than one Irish QB who played WR, even at the NFL level.

The Randall Cobb of South Bend. 3 years of holding a clipboard and he'll be begging for a shot at the slot.

Except you're pretty much the only person talking about Davis moving positions at this time. Until the coaches give Davis some indication he could be moved, he's probably being told he's going to play QB. They may bring in a second QB, but that doesn't necessarily mean Davis automatically moves to slot - see Devin Gardner and Denard Robinson. That and as much as people like to go crazy about hand timed 4.4s and 4.5s with no verification, I'm a bit perplexed that you're not thrilled with that time. Plus, he's got the rest of Spring and Summer to get that time down until his SENIOR SEASON OF HS. He'll be plenty fast by the time he steps foot on campus.

As for the rest of the post I think we should pump the breaks a bit on marking guys down for ND. Teams rarely sign their number 1 or 2 target at QB - it's no different in 2017. The story may likely be the same - might want to let it play out.

I didn't say I guarantee he gets moved, nor am I recruiting him as an athlete. All I've said is he has the physical skill set to do other things and not waste away in clipboard purgatory. That flexibility makes him a take for me and I express that in my comments.

Regardless, I still have no problem with him being a QB recruit if they are going after another guy with more upside. I am not comfortable with them bringing in Book and Davis only, back to back. IMO, that is not the level of QB recruiting ND should be happy with. Would I tell him there's a chance he gets moved? No. I'd recruit him as a QB only but knowing all along he has the ability to shed the clipboard in a few years if he can't rise up the depth chart and/or gets passed by an '18 or '19 QB.

Which brings me to the pump the brakes part of the response. I'm a long term sales strategist. I have to assume & project that ND is going to get another Wimbush level QB. I have to expect that a Phil Jurkovec level guy is going to look at Book and Davis and say to himself, "No long term roadblocks there". I have to assume the Irish are eventually going to go after the best of the plus armed, dual threat QB's on a yearly basis as the MZ, DK, BW roadblock isn't going to be there forever. UGa and Bama don't start off every cycle looking for borderline 4 star RB's. You don't get to the stars by aiming at the moon.

The last thing he needs is a quick release...

As a slot receiver, the long catch is much more desirable.

Just wait and see.
 
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Good to hear he did well today. Didn’t catch the game but he’s the #2 bullet point on most Spring Game Roundups on the twitter machine.

Hopefully he’s a guy you get the ball to 3-4 times a game and see what he can create - hell, make it more.
 

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Good to hear he did well today. Didn’t catch the game but he’s the #2 bullet point on most Spring Game Roundups on the twitter machine.

Hopefully he’s a guy you get the ball to 3-4 times a game and see what he can create - hell, make it more.

Yep, I think we have a few guys that are going to warrant 3-5 touches a game and see what happens. I don’t think the 18’ offense with look ball dominant by 1-2 players but contributions by a lot. Davis, Armstrong, Young, and Finke are a some that come to mind in that role
 

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He looked like an athlete and not an out of position QB.
 

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The most impressive thing about it is how comfortable he looked as a receiver, as a runner, and then going back to QB in the 4th and operating completely naturally in charge of the offense.

He also looked like a natural running routes and catching the ball. He made a catch on a deep comeback on the outside at one point and took a huge hit, but ran a good route and secured the ball with no problem. If he can do that consistently and be a threat to line up on the outside, and not just the slot, the potential for special packages and gadget plays opens up even further.
 

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Yeah I gotta say I was really impressed with him. His so athletic. He is definitely a Theo Riddick type
 

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https://247sports.com/college/notre...-switch-shows-sophomores-confidence-117683787

John Tomlinson tracked Notre Dame’s spring practice from a distance, trying to check on Avery Davis without actually checking on Avery Davis. The prep position coach of Notre Dame’s now part-time quarterback wanted to give Davis space. He also wanted to know how a player who led Cedar Hill to a Texas state championship as a sophomore and closed his senior year at AT&T Stadium with a 463-yard passing, 109-yard rushing and six-touchdown performance was adapting to a new role.

Just fine, as it turns out.

Davis got 13 touches for 54 yards during the Blue-Gold Game and continued to flash what he showed during spring ball’s second half, an agility in tight spaces that could make him a weapon for offensive coordinator Chip Long.

“If there’s anybody who can make the transition, it’s Avery,” Tomlinson said. “I think with him being 6-foot, maybe shaving a little above, he could do it only because he’s always been multi-faceted. He is who he is.”

That athleticism needed to mix with self-awareness to make this transition work considering quarterbacks can see position switches as failures more than opportunities. And Davis admitted he had to check his ego before buying into Long’s idea about getting touches in a new way

Davis knew what was in front of him – Brandon Wimbush and Ian Book – and what was behind him **– incoming freshman Phil Jurkovec – when making the decision, which he called “mutual” with the coaching staff. The fact he embraced the change without polling his support network in Texas speaks to the sophomore’s maturity.

“It was a personal decision. It’s my life,” Davis said. “It was my decision to come here. I’m living with it. I’m really happy with it, to be honest.”

When Notre Dame does its off-season testing to set summer conditioning baselines, Davis said he expects to run 4.5 at worst and should get into the high 4.4’s. He knows adding muscle to his shoulders and chest is a must to hold up catching passes in the flat and taking jet sweeps.

Because he’s mentally embraced transitioning out of the quarterback room should be a sign he’ll embrace the physical challenge too, which should let Long run more two-back sets than last season.

Notre Dame carried just 41 times out of two-back sets last regular season and totaled 346 yards when it did. That’s 8.43 yards per carry, by far the best figure of all Long’s personnel groups. Maybe Davis won’t improve that production, but he should enhance its usage.

“Making plays for Notre Dame, it’s a dream,” Davis said. “I’m looking at the field from a whole different perspective. I’m looking at the defense from different angles.”

“I love the quarterback position. I played it my whole life. But that red shirt season … and then standing on the sidelines knowing that you can make an impact, knowing that you can make plays, that really pushed me to, ‘You can do this.’”

Tomlinson has no doubt about that and plans to reach out to Davis at semester’s end to reconnect. The former Cedar Hill assistant coach spent last fall as an offensive quality control and quarterback assistant with the Cleveland Browns and is now weighing his next move. When he does, Davis should count as a resume line even if he’s not playing quarterback.

At a minimum, that experience at Cedar Hill with Tomlinson helped shape Davis into the kind of film junkie necessary to work at multiple positions. Most weeks Davis watched film on his own, helped craft the pass game with his receivers and then took a Tomlinson test the day before games.

He aced most of those exams.

“I think he can make the transition better than most people because of his skill set,” Tomlinson said. “You can be standing with him in a phone booth, you could be that close to him, and he can suddenly move directions and still get the ball out.

“People are gonna see what kind of guy they have with him.”
 

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When Notre Dame does its off-season testing to set summer conditioning baselines, Davis said he expects to run 4.5 at worst and should get into the high 4.4’s. He knows adding muscle to his shoulders and chest is a must to hold up catching passes in the flat and taking jet sweeps.

Because he’s mentally embraced transitioning out of the quarterback room should be a sign he’ll embrace the physical challenge too, which should let Long run more two-back sets than last season.

Notre Dame carried just 41 times out of two-back sets last regular season and totaled 346 yards when it did. That’s 8.43 yards per carry, by far the best figure of all Long’s personnel groups. Maybe Davis won’t improve that production, but he should enhance its usage.

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The instinct is to compare any <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/NotreDame?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#NotreDame</a> QB moving to RB/WR to the likes of Arnaz Battle and Carlyle Holiday, but it may be more worthwhile to compare Avery Davis to Amir Carlisle -- <a href="https://t.co/6RJdBaZQJe">https://t.co/6RJdBaZQJe</a></p>— Douglas Farmer (@D_Farmer) <a href="https://twitter.com/D_Farmer/status/1023938767269191680?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 30, 2018</a></blockquote>
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Not much proven production coming back at the offensive skill positions. But, quite a few athletes that will be exciting to watch. I think between Avery Davis, Jafar Armstrong, Cole Kmet, and Michael Young (just to name a few), we have a group of young high quality athletes.
 

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Not much proven production coming back at the offensive skill positions. But, quite a few athletes that will be exciting to watch. I think between Avery Davis, Jafar Armstrong, Cole Kmet, and Michael Young (just to name a few), we have a group of young high quality athletes.

Added to the above: Claypool, Boykin, Brock Wright, Alize and the incoming freshman and we should be able to find offensive fire power.

Hope Davis breaks through
 

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Added to the above: Claypool, Boykin, Brock Wright, Alize and the incoming freshman and we should be able to find offensive fire power.

Hope Davis breaks through

Yep, I just didn't list them as those are the names we've seen more of or are at the top of the depth chart. It was more to illustrate I think we have more depth at offensive skill positions than production would indicate.
 

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The instinct is to compare any <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/NotreDame?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#NotreDame</a> QB moving to RB/WR to the likes of Arnaz Battle and Carlyle Holiday, but it may be more worthwhile to compare Avery Davis to Amir Carlisle -- <a href="https://t.co/6RJdBaZQJe">https://t.co/6RJdBaZQJe</a></p>— Douglas Farmer (@D_Farmer) <a href="https://twitter.com/D_Farmer/status/1023938767269191680?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 30, 2018</a></blockquote>

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Agree on the poor comparison to Holiday. But, I think the comparison to Battle fair and I would be very happy if he produced like Battle did.


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Agree on the poor comparison to Holiday. But, I think the comparison to Battle fair and I would be very happy if he produced like Battle did.


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Why yes, I would have to agree with that. I, too, would be happy if AD produced like a top 15 ND WR in the last 20 years.
 
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The instinct is to compare any <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/NotreDame?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#NotreDame</a> QB moving to RB/WR to the likes of Arnaz Battle and Carlyle Holiday, but it may be more worthwhile to compare Avery Davis to Amir Carlisle -- <a href="https://t.co/6RJdBaZQJe">https://t.co/6RJdBaZQJe</a></p>— Douglas Farmer (@D_Farmer) <a href="https://twitter.com/D_Farmer/status/1023938767269191680?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 30, 2018</a></blockquote>
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Carlyle owns on NCAA '03, specially when running the option with Julius Jones.
 

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I'm excited about the possibilities of this offense particularly to see what Davis does Saturday and beyond. I knew he was never going to be a QB at ND and now I hope he turns out to be everything we wanted Amir Carlise and CJ Sanders to be.
 

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I'm excited about the possibilities of this offense particularly to see what Davis does Saturday and beyond. I knew he was never going to be a QB at ND and now I hope he turns out to be everything we wanted Amir Carlise and CJ Sanders to be.

HB pass at least 1x/game this season and I'll be happy. Also, wheel routes out of the backfield.
 

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Was just reflecting on the season and remembered Avery's spot appearances at RB/WR. Seemed like he has potential with his athleticism but it didn't really pan out for him this year, and he seemed to be perma-benched once Dex got back.

Any word on where he might play this year? Do they move him back to QB with the BW transfer? Or will he remain in that hybrid role?

Hope he doesn't transfer, I think he has a unique skill set and is a good athlete. Just spit ballin'.
 

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Was just reflecting on the season and remembered Avery's spot appearances at RB/WR. Seemed like he has potential with his athleticism but it didn't really pan out for him this year, and he seemed to be perma-benched once Dex got back.

Any word on where he might play this year? Do they move him back to QB with the BW transfer? Or will he remain in that hybrid role?

Hope he doesn't transfer, I think he has a unique skill set and is a good athlete. Just spit ballin'.

Hoping Taylor concentrates on him being the hybrid / catching RB. I'd bet we see Jafar catch more too.
 

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He's been described as not a very good QB. So, unless it was wildcat/scout team, wr/rb makes the most sense for him at ND anyway.
 

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I don't remember which post game presser it was, some time around the Wake Forest game. Kelly was asked about his usage or lack thereof and he basically said that after this point in time, the rest of the 18' season was going to be like a RS for him. He needed to add strength and get used to running between the tackles. I'm sure a full offseason of weight training should do the trick.

Now it'll be interesting to see how Spring and fall go because I expect Kyren to push everybody for PT, hopefully Davis is there to push right back.

Edit: Coat of armor might have been the term he used, but you get the point. His body just wasn't ready for the hits.
 
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Hoping Taylor concentrates on him being the hybrid / catching RB. I'd bet we see Jafar catch more too.

I'd hope so. He primarily played WR in H.S., didn't he?

Yes, he was a WR/KR/PR guy for his HS. He did have quite a few end-around/jet motion type runs though in his Hudl highlights though, but nothing really down hill out of the backfield.

I am really excited to see what Coach Taylor can do with these guys and their unique skill sets, especially seeing McCaffrey at Stanford. Obviously we don't have an athlete of that caliber but I still hope we see that kind of creativity.

Agree that if Kyren can push for PT right away, we could have a lot of tools to play with at RB between him, Armstrong, Jones and Davis. Will still miss Dex though. RB intrigues me but is also my biggest worry position on O next year.
 

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I like <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/NotreDame?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#NotreDame</a> giving Avery Davis an opportunity at corner. Crowded backfield and in the slot so he gets a chance to compete for an actual spot at CB (especially with Crawford and Vaughn out this spring)</p>— Jamie Uyeyama (@jamieuyeyama) <a href="https://twitter.com/jamieuyeyama/status/1101532109422776320?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 1, 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Kelly said Davis can play nickel to corner and they have very few players that can do that, strength and athleticism.</p>— BlueandGold.com (@BGInews) <a href="https://twitter.com/BGInews/status/1101531971136733184?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 1, 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Avery Davis is 190 plus pounds. <br><br>"I think he could play at the next level at that position. He's excited, wants to win, wants to help our football team," Kelly says</p>— Mike Berardino (@MikeBerardino) <a href="https://twitter.com/MikeBerardino/status/1101531789464604673?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 1, 2019</a></blockquote>
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All for getting Avery on the field, as he does seem like a good athlete, but repeated position switches have got to be tough.
 
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