'16 FL WR Kevin Stepherson (Notre Dame Early Enrollee)

[PANDFAN]

There is so much to wad through in this thread now... has there been anything other than assumption and rumor on all this??

just what i posted yesterday if you want to go back a few pages

 

[ACamp1900]

just what i posted yesterday if you want to go back a few pages

You or Vancouver...

 

[Luckylucci]

You are missing my point.

I got no problem with kids drinking till they puke. If they don't do it, who will?

I have no problem with madness and mayhem.

What I am saying is that the exact kind of shit that is happening at ND and gets reported and results in everyone's panties twisting in the wind, is just the kind of shit that indicates an undisciplined program. The kind of program where kids really aren't cared for and managed well. Certainly not in a championship manner!

And, sorry, but that is complete BS. The other schools are just not policing it. That's just the way it is. Do you really think that nothing like what happened to the Frozen 5 is happening at a majority of other big football programs? That's a rhetorical question as I respect your intelligence enough to realize you know the answer. ND is just self policing more than those programs.

I believe it was Lax who posted, during that time, about how many college students, not just athletes admitted to cheating during college, the numbers were pretty incredible.

I realize your frustration with the program and Kelly but this is beyond a ridiculous point to make. In fact, it sounds like what fans of an SEC school would say. "We don't have any student athletes cheating." Really? Or are they just not getting caught, because Alabama as an institution doesn't care? Again Rhetorical questions, we all know the answers.

 

[kmoose]

Alize Jones

it was mentioned in this regarding a RUMOR that he(STEPHERSON) won't be back..

Tom Loy said Stepherson has some off the field concerns that may affect his future with ND. More information inside the link.

Sorry, man, but most of the posts in this topic are not visible, and say:

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That might be why people are asking questions that appear to already be answered by your link?

 

[arahop]

Even though we consider them our only real athletic peer, Stanford does a lot of shady sh!t that ND refuses to stoop to (PEDs, steering kids toward easy majors, etc.) We are literally the Last Boy Scouts of CFB, which is why Swarbrick and Jenkins have bluntly floated the possibility of forming a separate league with other like-minded schools. Unless the NCAA starts drifting back in our direction (real student-athletes) and away from the deregulated semi-pro model of the football factories, I don't see how we can remain competitive without selling out our values.

Where is your proof of Ped use by stanford? Also, how were we able to put up such wonderful recruiting classes from the Faust years through Lou's tenure. If what you are implying about us standing on a moral high ground is true... those values must have come along only in the last 20 years or so. Sorry man, i just see these type of posts as the high horse cop out excuse to why we aren't a top program anymore. Lets take more academic exceptions like the good ole days and win some football games. I will still think highly of the Notre Dame degree.

 

[Bogtrotter07]

And, sorry, but that is complete BS. The other schools are just not policing it. That's just the way it is. Do you really think that nothing like what happened to the Frozen 5 is happening at a majority of other big football programs? That's a rhetorical question as I respect your intelligence enough to realize you know the answer. ND is just self policing more than those programs.

I believe it was Lax who posted, during that time, about how many college students, not just athletes admitted to cheating during college, the numbers were pretty incredible.

I realize your frustration with the program and Kelly but this is beyond a ridiculous point to make. In fact, it sounds like what fans of an SEC school would say. "We don't have any student athletes cheating." Really? Or are they just not getting caught, because Alabama as an institution doesn't care? Again Rhetorical questions, we all know the answers.

Actually, the thing I am frustrated with are all the armchairs with answers. It's all bull shit. I know things are going to happen with youngsters. The fact that every time ND gets caught it is a shit-show over nothing (as you ably point out,) is exactly my point.

I am telling you this program isn't getting run right from the top. If it were, we wouldn't be the only program in all of CFB that has to wait to kickoff of the first game (or longer) to see if all their players are eligible.

It isn't even about what happens. It's the buffoonery that follows!

 

[PANDFAN]

Where is your proof of Ped use by stanford? Also, how were we able to put up such wonderful recruiting classes from the Faust years through Lou's tenure. If what you are implying about us standing on a moral high ground is true... those values must have come along only in the last 20 years or so. Sorry man, i just see these type of posts as the high horse cop out excuse to why we aren't a top program anymore. Lets take more academic exceptions like the good ole days and win some football games. I will still think highly of the Notre Dame degree.

But the NCAA says that 90% of Division I schools conduct their own testing. One school that doesn’t test is Stanford, which says it is awaiting a Pac-12-wide policy.
WEIRD wouldn't you say
The NCAA’s Drug Problem - WSJ

Stanford responds to steroids accusation by former baseball star – The Mercury News
Of the 89 male athletes from Stanford who answered Minaker’s question on steroids, nine acknowledged they had takenthem, including five members of the baseball team, according to the Times’ report.

Members of the football team were largely uncooperative with the survey, Minaker noted.

 

[IrishLax]

Sorry, man, but most of the posts in this topic are not visible, and say:

That might be why people are asking questions that appear to already be answered by your link?

I edited the post to say that because his information provided in his OP was sharing too much of premium content. If you want to read the posts at the link, you will need to subscribe to 247.

 

[Luckylucci]

Actually, the thing I am frustrated with are all the armchairs with answers. It's all bull shit. I know things are going to happen with youngsters. The fact that every time ND gets caught it is a shit-show over nothing (as you ably point out,) is exactly my point.

I am telling you this program isn't getting run right from the top. If it were, we wouldn't be the only program in all of CFB that has to wait to kickoff of the first game (or longer) to see if all their players are eligible.

It isn't even about what happens. It's the buffoonery that follows!

Bogs, I'm not sure what else to say, you keep using the term program. That would imply football program. That would seem to indict Swarbrick and Kelly. And I think that is absolutely ridiculous. This is happening because the school "University of Notre Dame", irrespective of the football program, wants things to be done a certain way. That is VASTLY different than most institutions and football programs. Most college football programs are leading the institutions, that is certainly not the case at ND. Therefore, we will have more of these issues arise. It has absolutely nothing to do with Kelly or Jack's leadership. It is because the school enforces rules, at a level, above and beyond its peers.

If you honestly believe that we aren't hearing about cheating at Bama, OSU, LSU, Clemson etc. because their coaches and AD's are better leaders, well that's bat shit crazy talk. Its because they don't care to police it.

Edit: Let me add, there are certainly reasons to question leadership with Kelly and to some degree Swarbrick. However this is certainly not one of them. Its at the heart of what ND "wants" to be or what it doesn't "want" to be. Just like, how Whiskey always mentions, that Swarbrick and company are closer to moving in the other direction, away from the OSU's and Clemson's of the world.

 

[NDdomer2]

Thanks to Lax and Kmoose for responses.

My next question is how does the school keep such tight oversight on if a student is getting into legal trouble outside campus?

A school like ND that has students coming from all over hte world to attend. Seems like it would take some serious digging by the univesrity to find out about a MIP for Johnny in San Marcos, CA over xmas break, ya know

 

[IrishLax]

Thanks to Lax and Kmoose for responses.

My next question is how does the school keep such tight oversight on if a student is getting into legal trouble outside campus?

A school like ND that has students coming from all over hte world to attend. Seems like it would take some serious digging by the univesrity to find out about a MIP for Johnny in San Marcos, CA over xmas break, ya know

This is legit a good question. All I know from people who have gotten into trouble elsewhere is that they got a notification from ResLife saying "come talk to us" some amount of time after their citation/arrest.

Methinks every semester they probably check the record of every student, and any kind of arrest is public record. Not dissimilar from a company that runs a background check on a new hire... takes like 10 minutes to do. I'm just guessing though.

 

[BobbyMac]

Thanks to Lax and Kmoose for responses.

My next question is how does the school keep such tight oversight on if a student is getting into legal trouble outside campus?

A school like ND that has students coming from all over hte world to attend. Seems like it would take some serious digging by the univesrity to find out about a MIP for Johnny in San Marcos, CA over xmas break, ya know

Mega reps on location. Maybe the best place in America to get in that kind of trouble.

 

[NDdomer2]

Mega reps on location. Maybe the best place in America to get in that kind of trouble.

bout 10 minutes from birth place, it sure is great huh!

 

[kmoose]

Also, how were we able to put up such wonderful recruiting classes from the Faust years through Lou's tenure. If what you are implying about us standing on a moral high ground is true... those values must have come along only in the last 20 years or so. Sorry man, i just see these type of posts as the high horse cop out excuse to why we aren't a top program anymore. Lets take more academic exceptions like the good ole days and win some football games. I will still think highly of the Notre Dame degree.

To your first question:

Prior to 1984, the NCAA held exclusive TV rights to ALL of it's member institutions' games. In other words, only the NCAA office could negotiate TV contracts, and lobby for which games the networks might show. So only the big dogs got on TV. In 1984, the US Supreme Court ruled that this arrangement was an anti-trust violation. This allowed the Conferences, and even individual schools, to negotiate their own TV contracts. That opened the floodgates for TV exposure. In 1984, there were 89 games televised. In 1985, there were over 200. Another effect of this was that some of the kids who were All-State in High School and went to schools like Notre Dame, Ohio State, Oklahoma, and USC, knowing that they would probably never start, but that they might get on TV someday if they got into a game, started going to other schools where they could start, AND still be on TV. As the 80s turned into the 90s, cable sports networks exploded; ESPN spawned ESPN2, ESPN3, ESPNU, etc; Fox Sports came along, Jefferson Pilot Sports was televising Mountain West games, for Christ's sake! EVERYONE seemed to be on TV. That really ate away at ND's advantage of being the flagship program for college football. Holtz had Vinnie Cerrato, who was an all-time great evaluator of talent and recruiter. That helped keep the recruiting high as the other schools slowly caught up. ND still had high standards for its athletes, even back then. Tony Rice was a Prop 48 kid, meaning he lacked either the requisite GPA, or SAT score, to even qualify for a D-IA scholarship. The story goes that the only way the University allowed him in was that Holtz went before them and personally guaranteed that Rice could, and would, be able to handle the rigors of a Notre Dame education. The University took a chance, and Rice not only graduated, but graduated early. The University refused to take in Randy Moss, because of academic and character concerns. So this isn't something new. But the college football landscape and economics were so much different 20-30 years ago, that you almost can't really compare the game to what you have today.

 

[BobbyMac]

bout 10 minutes from birth place, it sure is great huh!

Flipped a house in Vista last year. Vista/San Marcos/Escondido best collection of beer in the world.

 

[ACamp1900]

Flipped a house in Vista last year. Vista/San Marcos/Escondido best collection of beer in the world.

Bunch of nice Latinas and Mex food too...
heaven on earth.

 

[woolybug25]

Flipped a house in Vista last year. Vista/San Marcos/Escondido best collection of beer in the world.

What in the hell do you do for a living? Some days I think you own a car dealership in Michigan City, some days I think you flip houses, some days I think you are independently wealthy and some days I think you are simply a wizard.

Which is it?

 

[Classic Irish]

What in the hell do you do for a living? Some days I think you own a car dealership in Michigan City, some days I think you flip houses, some days I think you are independently wealthy and some days I think you are simply a wizard.

Which is it?

I think it's obvious: he's the most interesting man in the world.

 

[gkIrish]

What in the hell do you do for a living? Some days I think you own a car dealership in Michigan City, some days I think you flip houses, some days I think you are independently wealthy and some days I think you are simply a wizard.

Which is it?

 

[OCIrish]

What in the hell do you do for a living? Some days I think you own a car dealership in Michigan City, some days I think you flip houses, some days I think you are independently wealthy and some days I think you are simply a wizard.

Which is it?

Pornstar.........

 

[PANDFAN]

What in the hell do you do for a living? Some days I think you own a car dealership in Michigan City, some days I think you flip houses, some days I think you are independently wealthy and some days I think you are simply a wizard.

Which is it?

 

[IrishFanForever23]

Losing one of our top performing receivers from last year would suuuuuuuuuuck.

 

[connor_in]

What in the hell do you do for a living? Some days I think you own a car dealership in Michigan City, some days I think you flip houses, some days I think you are independently wealthy and some days I think you are simply a wizard.

Which is it?

He's a french model...bonjour!!!

 

[Whiskeyjack]

What in the hell do you do for a living? Some days I think you own a car dealership in Michigan City, some days I think you flip houses, some days I think you are independently wealthy and some days I think you are simply a wizard.

Which is it?

He was a car dealer, but he was too nice for his own good:

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[IrishSteelhead]

Losing one of our top performing receivers from last year would suuuuuuuuuuck.

This happens every offseason.

Spoiler Alert: It won't end well

 

[kmoose]

He was a car dealer, but he was too nice for his own good:

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He should have come to me for some pointers, although my car sales career was admittedly kind of short lived:

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***NSFW****

 

[anarin]

I gave up trying to find actual info on stepherson in this thread.


Its a mess!!!!

 

[Whiskeyjack]

I gave up trying to find actual info on stepherson in this thread.

Its a mess!!!!

It's rumored that he might be ineligible next season due to his failure to meet some of his obligations related to his arrest last year. No one has been able to confirm or deny it yet.

You're now caught up on the Actual Info™ about Kevin Stepherson.

 

[woolybug25]

It's rumored that he might be ineligible next season due to his failure to meet some of his obligations related to his arrest last year. No one has been able to confirm or deny it yet.

You're now caught up on the Actual Info™ about Kevin Stepherson.

Thanks Whiskey.





Now back to Crusader... does he think he can slip off into the darkness and leave us with no clarity? We want answers damn it!

 

[GBdomer]

Flipped a house in Vista last year. Vista/San Marcos/Escondido best collection of beer in the world.

False