'16 CA QB Ian Book (Notre Dame Signed NLI)

[zelezo vlk]

I know that II's podcast all offseason talked about Book trying his hand at the NFL after 2019, but I'm just not sure that's a realistic option for him. He'll certainly ask to be 1 of the 5 evaluations, but I don't see him getting a high enough grade to warrant leaving.

 

[calvegas04]

I think a lot of people will have a better opinion to this question after this week.

Honestly, I thought Clark looked better than Phil when we seen them during the NM game. Obviously only seen a little bit of each but Clark looked smooth.

I agree wish they gave Phil more than 1 series, he looked too jumpy and indecisive which im wondering if a extra series or two would have settled him down

 

[arahop]

Yeah. Ian Book is more likely to get beat out by Phil or Brendan next year than going to the NFL. Ian doesn't see the field and rarely get past his 2nd progression.

 

[stlnd01]

I agree wish they gave Phil more than 1 series, he looked too jumpy and indecisive which im wondering if a extra series or two would have settled him down

I *think* someone said Phil got banged up when he was in there against New Mexico. Hopefully we'll see more of him this weekend.

 

[Henges24]

I *think* someone said Phil got banged up when he was in there against New Mexico. Hopefully we'll see more of him this weekend.

Heard the same thing. I believe it was something about his hip/thigh and if I remember correctly the announcers even called it out on air. Pretty sure it was a bruise.

Edit: Bruise on left quad says Flutie, below

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[ThePiombino]

Heard the same thing. I believe it was something about his hip/thigh and if I remember correctly the announcers even called it out on air. Pretty sure it was a bruise.

I think he was banged up coming into the game, but I also think the coaches figured opportunities to get Clark some burn are going to be few and far between, so give it to him while they can.

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[zelezo vlk]

I actually just listened to the II post-New Mexico podcast yesterday (I have a backlog) and they mentioned Phil had a back contusion going into the game and got hurt during his series.

Hopefully he's all fine now so he can get much needed reps.

Trivia time: how many seasons has BK had the same starter at QB throughout the entire season?

 

[ThePiombino]

Trivia time: how many seasons has BK had the same starter at QB throughout the entire season?

Not counting this year (so far), I'll say 1 - Kizer's last season.

EDIT: Crud, Zaire started the Texas game, didn't he? Changing my answer to zero lol

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[Some Irish Bloke]

I actually just listened to the II post-New Mexico podcast yesterday (I have a backlog) and they mentioned Phil had a back contusion going into the game and got hurt during his series.

Hopefully he's all fine now so he can get much needed reps.

Trivia time: how many seasons has BK had the same starter at QB throughout the entire season?

What is: Once, in 2013 with Tommy Rees, Alex?

Edit: Good call, might be wrong but IIRC Kizer started every game in that dreadful 2016 season. Zaire played a lot but don't think he ever got the nod for the first drive.

 

[ThePiombino]

What is: Once, in 2013 with Tommy Rees, Alex?

Edit: Good call, might be wrong but IIRC Kizer started every game in that dreadful 2016 season. Zaire played a lot but don't think he ever got the nod for the first drive.

I thought they had a QB "competition" to start the season which resulted in Kizer taking over full-time by the half and also dividing the locker room because of how it was handled. Could be totally making this up tho...

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[ThePiombino]

I thought they had a QB "competition" to start the season which resulted in Kizer taking over full-time by the half and also dividing the locker room because of how it was handled. Could be totally making this up tho...

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Nvm, that was '15. I think my initial answer was correct. Damnit, just stick with my instinct!

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[zelezo vlk]

Not counting this year (so far), I'll say 1 - Kizer's last season.

EDIT: Crud, Zaire started the Texas game, didn't he? Changing my answer to zero lol

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What is: Once, in 2013 with Tommy Rees, Alex?

Edit: Good call, might be wrong but IIRC Kizer started every game in that dreadful 2016 season. Zaire played a lot but don't think he ever got the nod for the first drive.

Pretty sure you were both half right, 2013 with Tommy Rees (and even Andrew Hendrix played vs SC due to an injury), and 2016 with Kizer starting every game.

 

[Pops Freshenmeyer]

Pretty sure you were both half right, 2013 with Tommy Rees (and even Andrew Hendrix played vs SC due to an injury), and 2016 with Kizer starting every game.

Golson didn't get all the starts in 2012?

 

[ulukinatme]

Golson didn't get all the starts in 2012?

He did get knocked out of a game and Tommy started the next week, but Golson did start every game he was healthy.

[EDIT] Had to go back and check which game it was. It was the BYU game cause he was knocked out of that Stanford epic finish.

 

[Some Irish Bloke]

Pretty sure you were both half right, 2013 with Tommy Rees (and even Andrew Hendrix played vs SC due to an injury), and 2016 with Kizer starting every game.

FTR, you technically said START, not played the entire season. That was what I was going off of.

So, 2016, Kizer STARTED every game, including Texas. He got the opening game TD drive, then BK was a moron and pulled him in favor of Zaire, Strong stacked the box and we couldn't move the ball.

In 2013, I believe Hendrix got some game action as well, but pretty sure Tommy started every game.

But I don't believe any QB played the entire season (2nd stringers in blowouts notwithstanding) under BK. That's probably pretty rare anyways with injuries. B/t Qbs getting hurt and poor play he's shuffled them more than most, though.

 

[zelezo vlk]

FTR, you technically said START, not played the entire season. That was what I was going off of.

So, 2016, Kizer STARTED every game, including Texas. He got the opening game TD drive, then BK was a moron and pulled him in favor of Zaire, Strong stacked the box and we couldn't move the ball.

In 2013, I believe Hendrix got some game action as well, but pretty sure Tommy started every game.

But I don't believe any QB played the entire season (2nd stringers in blowouts notwithstanding) under BK. That's probably pretty rare anyways with injuries. B/t Qbs getting hurt and poor play he's shuffled them more than most, though.

Right that's what I meant. BK has very rarely had the same starter every game, mainly due to injuries.

 

[Me2SouthBend]

I agree wish they gave Phil more than 1 series, he looked too jumpy and indecisive which im wondering if a extra series or two would have settled him down

I've got a feeling we'll see more than 1 drive for Phil come Sat.

 

[Old Man Mike]

Just to be irritating, I guess, but my opinion is that we will be soundly praising Ian's year by the end of the season. Reasons?:

1. Continually improving OLine (plus TE) play;
2. Continually improving RB play;
3. Continuing growth in trust in Kmet doing whatever's needed;
4. Continuing trust in Tremble;
5. WRs slowly sorting themselves out and running better routes;
6. Long calling more high percentage plays for Ian's skill set;
7. Ian shaking off his concerns about whether his teammates are doing their parts of the job, and letting fly, like we already have seen that he can do at highly advanced levels last year.

Phil Jurkovec looks to become a very high quality QB; so does Clark. This isn't about them. It's Ian, and he will get better and better as the team does around him. Unlike some of the QB conundrums we've had in the past, we have already seen Ian play at high level against high level opponents. There is no fundamental reason why Long and the Offense cannot find this sweet spot again.

 

[Luckylucci]

Just to be irritating, I guess, but my opinion is that we will be soundly praising Ian's year by the end of the season. Reasons?:

1. Continually improving OLine (plus TE) play;
2. Continually improving RB play;
3. Continuing growth in trust in Kmet doing whatever's needed;
4. Continuing trust in Tremble;
5. WRs slowly sorting themselves out and running better routes;
6. Long calling more high percentage plays for Ian's skill set;
7. Ian shaking off his concerns about whether his teammates are doing their parts of the job, and letting fly, like we already have seen that he can do at highly advanced levels last year.

Phil Jurkovec looks to become a very high quality QB; so does Clark. This isn't about them. It's Ian, and he will get better and better as the team does around him. Unlike some of the QB conundrums we've had in the past, we have already seen Ian play at high level against high level opponents. There is no fundamental reason why Long and the Offense cannot find this sweet spot again.

Have we? What high level opponent or defense has Book started and played against where he consistently played at a high level?

Maybe first we need to define what a high level opponent is. I'd say a top 25 defense is a minimum. If that's the case, he only played 1 defense that finished in the top 25 of the S&P+ defensive rankings last year, that was Clemson (3). Others include NW (30), USC (34), Stanford (43), and Pitt (53). I'm sure 2019 UGA and UVA will make that list.

 

[IrishLax]

Have we? What high level opponent or defense has Book started and played against where he consistently played at a high level?

Maybe first we need to define what a high level opponent is. I'd say a top 25 defense is a minimum. If that's the case, he only played 1 defense that finished in the top 25 of the S&P+ defensive rankings last year, that was Clemson (3). Others include NW (30), USC (34), Stanford (43), and Pitt (53). I'm sure 2019 UGA and UVA will make that list.

Here are Book's three games against good defenses:
-Clemson (16.7 QBR)
-Georgia (41.7 QBR)
-Virginia (51.6 QBR)

By the numbers, none of those are stellar performances. I will let you all draw your own conclusions.

 

[ThePiombino]

Just to be irritating, I guess, but my opinion is that we will be soundly praising Ian's year by the end of the season. Reasons?:

1. Continually improving OLine (plus TE) play;
2. Continually improving RB play;
3. Continuing growth in trust in Kmet doing whatever's needed;
4. Continuing trust in Tremble;
5. WRs slowly sorting themselves out and running better routes;
6. Long calling more high percentage plays for Ian's skill set;
7. Ian shaking off his concerns about whether his teammates are doing their parts of the job, and letting fly, like we already have seen that he can do at highly advanced levels last year.

Phil Jurkovec looks to become a very high quality QB; so does Clark. This isn't about them. It's Ian, and he will get better and better as the team does around him. Unlike some of the QB conundrums we've had in the past, we have already seen Ian play at high level against high level opponents. There is no fundamental reason why Long and the Offense cannot find this sweet spot again.

Which of those 7 reasons will allow Book to miraculously see the middle of the field when it isn't his 1st read? Asking for a friend...

 

[NorthDakota]

Here are Book's three games against good defenses:
-Clemson (16.7 QBR)
-Georgia (41.7 QBR)
-Virginia (51.6 QBR)

By the numbers, none of those are stellar performances. I will let you all draw your own conclusions.

There is only one rational conclusion. He isnt very good when he needs to be.

Hes better than Wimbush, but Notre Dame qb's SHOULD be legit good at the quarterback position more often than not. We havent had a legit QB since Clausen and I'm getting annoyed.

 

[BeatSC]

Here are Book's three games against good defenses:
-Clemson (16.7 QBR)
-Georgia (41.7 QBR)
-Virginia (51.6 QBR)

By the numbers, none of those are stellar performances. I will let you all draw your own conclusions.

Book was awful in most of those games. The opposing QBs did things/made perfect throws that were more than 7 yard wide outs. Book did little with his legs in those games but the rest of the offense did little to help as well. I think in the Virginia game Book has no excuse for not making any plays in the entire second half. Just wishing we had a QB equal to about 30+ other teams if not more. Can't understand why someone both at QB and RB has not wanted to come showcase their skills at ND? No bigger stage and visibility week in and week out.

Fyi, Book wouldn't make a Canadian football roster. With that said I do like him on the roster as a security blanket.

 

[stlnd01]

There is only one rational conclusion. He isnt very good when he needs to be.

Hes better than Wimbush, but Notre Dame qb's SHOULD be legit good at the quarterback position more often than not. We havent had a legit QB since Clausen and I'm getting annoyed.

Agree we haven’t had a Heisman-candidate-level QB under Kelly, but Kizer was pretty good. He pressed too much in 2016 as things fell apart, but if he’d stayed for 2017 like he should have, I suspect he’d be right there with Quinn and Clausen among recent Notre Dame QBs.

 

[Some Irish Bloke]

Agree we haven’t had a Heisman-candidate-level QB under Kelly, but Kizer was pretty good. He pressed too much in 2016 as things fell apart, but if he’d stayed for 2017 like he should have, I suspect he’d be right there with Quinn and Clausen among recent Notre Dame QBs.

This. Kizer 2015 was really good, and if we won in Austin in 2016 he would have had serious Heisman considerations after the way he balled out that night.

Then the team started 1-3, BVG etc. and the rest is history. Don't let 2016 ruin your memory of DK, he was solid. Best since Clausen

 

[zelezo vlk]

This. Kizer 2015 was really good, and if we won in Austin in 2016 he would have had serious Heisman considerations after the way he balled out that night.

Then the team started 1-3, BVG etc. and the rest is history. Don't let 2016 ruin your memory of DK, he was solid. Best since Clausen

Kizer played pretty dang well at Clemson too, in a friggin' hurricane no less.

 

[NDRock]

Kizer played pretty dang well at Clemson too, in a friggin' hurricane no less.

The real hurricane was the next year vs. NC State where we decided to call 30+ passes. Still the worst offensive game plan I've ever seen.

 

[Irish YJ]

Here are Book's three games against good defenses:
-Clemson (16.7 QBR)
-Georgia (41.7 QBR)
-Virginia (51.6 QBR)

By the numbers, none of those are stellar performances. I will let you all draw your own conclusions.

Let's add a little context.

Book's QBR this year vs UGA and VA, was the highest of any QB playing against either team so far this year.

Meanwhile, our OL, ranks outside of the top 20 on every FO stat, and ranks 115th in my favorite FO measurement, Power Success Rate. That's pretty awful. It's actually really awful given that aside from UGA, we've played 3 teams who have not had a top 25 class in the last 5+ years.

Book is certainly not a superstar, but aside from Kmet, the entire offense is pretty mediocre. We don't have a RB that would start for any top 10 team, and it's arguable that our starting WRs would start either. I'd add that play calling has been mediocre at best except for short doses here and there. Yet even with only 28 yards of RB rushing, and 2 INTs from Book, we still had the ball late with a chance to win on the road vs a top 5 team.

 

[Ndaccountant]

Let's add a little context.

Book's QBR this year vs UGA and VA, was the highest of any QB playing against either team so far this year.

Meanwhile, our OL, ranks outside of the top 20 on every FO stat, and ranks 115th in my favorite FO measurement, Power Success Rate. That's pretty awful. It's actually really awful given that aside from UGA, we've played 3 teams who have not had a top 25 class in the last 5+ years.

Book is certainly not a superstar, but aside from Kmet, the entire offense is pretty mediocre. We don't have a RB that would start for any top 10 team, and it's arguable that our starting WRs would start either. I'd add that play calling has been mediocre at best except for short doses here and there. Yet even with only 28 yards of RB rushing, and 2 INTs from Book, we still had the ball late with a chance to win on the road vs a top 5 team.

You sure about UVA? I thought James Blackman had a higher QBR than Book. His stat line for the game was 22-37, 234 yds, 3Td's no INT's. QBR on ESPN of 65.4.

Even if he were lower than book, that comment is weak at this point in the season. Maybe in time it will show to be true, but the list of teams each school has played is rather weak.

UGA opponents - Vandy, Murray State, Ark State, ND
UVA opponents - PITT, William and Mary, FSU, Old Dominion

 

[Luckylucci]

Yea, not much of a point to be made there.