'15 NV TE Aliz'e Mack (Notre Dame Signed NLI)

[BGIF]

If you'd have told me back in 2015 when I was watching Von McKinley and Alize in person that their stat lines at ND would look like they currently do, I'd have laughed in your face and told you to go play with your Barbies.

Taught me a lesson.

Barbie, lives up to your expectations?

 

[BobbyMac]

Barbie, lives up to your expectations?

Hardly... She's got no bullseyes on her funbags.

But she is a trendsetter. She was going full Hollywood wax when America was stuck in the wall to wall, wide pie shag era. Totally skipped the landing strip decade.

 

[IrishLax]

If you'd have told me back in 2015 when I was watching Von McKinley and Alize in person that their stat lines at ND would look like they currently do, I'd have laughed in your face and told you to go play with your Barbies.

Taught me a lesson.

The lesson is don't recruit Cali. They are all busts, every time.

 

[marv81s]

so the dude comes back from a year away from football after only playing 1 season, his first season in college football and a freshman, played with a QB that struggled passing the ball and suffered a concussion is a bust and should be forgotten about in favor of other players that haven't done squat in a game yet.

It's always the dude that hasn't played that is the best option

 

[koonja]

so the dude comes back from a year away from football after only playing 1 season, his first season in college football and a freshman, played with a QB that struggled passing the ball and suffered a concussion is a bust and should be forgotten about in favor of other players that haven't done squat in a game yet.

It's always the dude that hasn't played that is the best option

That's not the case here. he's unreliable off the field, but also on the field. I don't need to see 2 full seasons of drops to know that on 3rd and 8 when we're down against Michigan in our final drive, I don't trust Alize to make a catch.

I have more confidence in every one else, even those we've seen little of, due to how poor his hands or focus has been.

 

[BobbyMac]

The lesson is don't recruit Cali. They are all busts, every time.

Clausen's on line 2. Said you rightcoasters are weak sticks.

 

[marv81s]

That's not the case here. he's unreliable off the field, but also on the field. I don't need to see 2 full seasons of drops to know that on 3rd and 8 when we're down against Michigan in our final drive, I don't trust Alize to make a catch.

I have more confidence in every one else, even those we've seen little of, due to how poor his hands or focus has been.

drops can be fixed and he displayed great catching ability while in high school

You didn't see the WRs drop any passes eh? The hands will and can come back and I trust those that have real college football experience vs those that are coming right out of high school and haven't played a minute of a college football game

with the multiple TE sets that ND runs, it would be a comforting thought to the QB that at least one of them has experience.

 

[IrishLax]

Clausen's on line 2. Said you rightcoasters are weak sticks.

Clausen never came remotely close to living up to his hype. If you make a list of California players, it has over an 80% fail rate.

 

[dad4aa]

So, we aren’t even through the first semester. Alize still has finals, the second semester and summer courses if needed to make sure he’s eligible and everyone is writing him off? This fan base has really changed. Very sad.

 

[NorthDakota]

Clausen never came remotely close to living up to his hype. If you make a list of California players, it has over an 80% fail rate.

In Jimmy's defense, the expectations were unreasonable.

 

[Irishnuke]

so the dude comes back from a year away from football after only playing 1 season, his first season in college football and a freshman, played with a QB that struggled passing the ball and suffered a concussion is a bust and should be forgotten about in favor of other players that haven't done squat in a game yet.

It's always the dude that hasn't played that is the best option

I’m not sure how you can say he hasn’t been a bust. He’s been one of the most disappointing players in recent memory. Highly rated recruit with no production on the field and apparently can’t even stay eligible in the classroom.

 

[marv81s]

Clausen never came remotely close to living up to his hype. If you make a list of California players, it has over an 80% fail rate.

to be fair, he played on some pretty bad/average ND teams too. Considering he damn near got killed one season by a pretty bad offensive line, he put up some great stats in his 3 seasons

in terms of passing yards and passing TDs he is up there as one of ND all time leaders

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Notre_Dame_Fighting_Irish_football_statistical_leaders

 

[marv81s]

I’m not sure how you can say he hasn’t been a bust. He’s been one of the most disappointing players in recent memory. Highly rated recruit with no production on the field and apparently can’t even stay eligible in the classroom.

i didn't say he hasn't been disappointing, i'm just saying it is too early to send him off and forget about him in favor of players that haven't even played a down yet. It was his first year back after a year long suspension and away from the game totally

Can we also give him credit like we have done with past players for working his ass off to do what he needed to do to get back into ND when he could have taken the easier route and gone somewhere else?

He has I believe two more seasons to live up to the hype. I think he has the drive to get it done

 

[Irishnuke]

i didn't say he hasn't been disappointing, i'm just saying it is too early to send him off and forget about him in favor of players that haven't even played a down yet. It was his first year back after a year long suspension and away from the game totally

Can we also give him credit like we have done with past players for working his ass off to do what he needed to do to get back into ND when he could have taken the easier route and gone somewhere else?

He has I believe two more seasons to live up to the hype. I think he has the drive to get it done

That’d be great, but he hasn’t shown it yet.

 

[marv81s]

That’d be great, but he hasn’t shown it yet.

the sample size is only 11 games, 5 his freshman year and 6 this year

https://sports.yahoo.com/ncaaf/players/257322/

i guess i'm just too patient

 

[BobbyMac]

Clausen never came remotely close to living up to his hype. If you make a list of California players, it has over an 80% fail rate.

Clausen's Jr year was pretty much what what I expected. Would have liked to see 3 years of that. Get rid of 10 Int's from his Soph season and that would have been remotely close too.

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I used to be a big Cali proponent but with the ND's ACC alignment, I've shifted my preference to the conference footprint.

Now if a Jimmy Clausen or Kory Minor target ND, great. If an ESB or Tariq Bracy is undervalued by the locals and you steal them, ok. If it's a kid from a relocated family like the Lamb's, sure. But going after someone like WR Kyle Ford in '19... an admitted SC fan since birth... is a waste of time.

...and now that Chip is in Westwood, recruiting LA/OC/IE/SD just got much tougher.

Concentrate on the "Lucky Seven" a line that stretches from Chicago to NYC to Miami. Recruit programs over kids when it comes to the top Catholic football factories around the country. Be prepared for the Kyler Gordon's at the smaller Catholic programs. Besides that the RKG/ND fan prospects like Quinn Carroll and John Olmstead will find you.

 

[ulukinatme]

Clausen never came remotely close to living up to his hype. If you make a list of California players, it has over an 80% fail rate.

Need more Texas, less Cali.

 

[BobbyMac]

Need more Texas, less Cali.

Need more NJ/VA/NC/GA/ and always more FL.

Texas #'s are appropriate now.

IMO of course.

 

[ulukinatme]

Need more NJ/VA/NC/GA/ and always more FL.

Texas #'s are appropriate now.

IMO of course.

True. Just in general it seems like the Texas kids exceed expectations more often than other states (Certainly Cali): Nick Watkins, Corey Robinson, Cam McDaniel, Kap, Torii Hunter. You could put Smythe in there too. In that list only Watkins was a 4 star, the rest all exceeded expectations I think. Not counting the recent class that hasn't seen the field, that's like half of the recruits we've pulled out of Texas under BK.

 

[Old Man Mike]

Crusader on the mark here. HUGE amount

weird ... internet service just dumped post while I was adding something on ... everyone's a critic!!

anyway, I wanted to say that Virginia and the Carolinas have huge numbers of high-quality ballers in their coastal zones (and big speed), and that (ugh) Michigan has known this for some time. Also wanted to continue to put out the fantasy that we could get more Samoan/Polynesian "heavies."

 

[IrishLax]

In Jimmy's defense, the expectations were unreasonable.

Correct. He was billed as a "generational" QB, #1 overall type of guy... instead his best season he was a mere 25th in the country in QBR and ended up being a second round pick + bust in the league. His best year, where he was a top 25 QB, he had NFL talent at literally every pass catching position.

My issue with Cali players is exactly that... they're almost always over-hyped. You see a 95 rating Cali WR chances are they'd be an 88 if they were coming out of NJ. Clausen #1 overall recruit, #1 QB recruit? No, he probably should've been a 4 type of guy. Just look at California's top rated QBs since 2010 --
2010 -- Jesse Scroggins, 96 rating, #4 overall QB -- BUST
2011 -- Max Wittek, 96 rating, #6 overall QB -- BUST
2012 -- Zach Kline, 98 rating, #3 overall QB -- BUST
2013 -- Troy Williams, 95 rating, #6 overall QB -- BUST
2014 -- Keller Chryst, 98 rating, #4 overall QB -- BUST
2015 -- Josh Rosen, 99 rating, #1 overall QB -- Actually good!!!
Bonus 2015 -- Blake Barnett, 99 rating, #2 overall QB -- BUST
2016 -- KJ Costello, 98 rating, #3 overall QB -- Probably going to be good.
Bonus 2016 -- Malik Henry, 98 rating, #4 overall QB -- BUST

So you've got like a 20% hit rate on California QBs if you consider Costello a hit. For whatever reason, the best California players seem to be the ones that fly under the radar and then blossom at some lesser PAC12 school. If you have hype and you're from California chances are you maxed out early and are going to suck at the next level. That's just my observation.

 

[IrishLion]

If you have hype and you're from California chances are you maxed out early and are going to suck at the next level. That's just my observation.

That’s actually a huge issue/risk with the 5* guys from Texas, too... the programs are so developed and the kids get so polished so soon that many of them have actually peaked by their senior year athletically or in terms of strength/conditioning, but there’s no solid way to be sure when you’re recruiting them.

There was an interesting and really in-depth article on this a few years ago, I’ll try to track it down.

 

[ND88]

The lesson is don't recruit Cali. They are all busts, every time.

I support this message.

 

[ND88]

Clausen's on line 2. Said you rightcoasters are weak sticks.

Clausen, lol.

4 titles, am I right?

 

[Irishnuke]

the sample size is only 11 games, 5 his freshman year and 6 this year

https://sports.yahoo.com/ncaaf/players/257322/

i guess i'm just too patient

He also took a year off because of his lack of drive in the classroom. Maybe you are too patient. Or too naive.

 

[irishandy]

I've never seen fan base be so critical of not only of a sports team, but of players on that team.....wow.

Let's hope that Alize can figure out his classroom work.

For all the hate on Clausen, he really didn't have any defense help during his time at ND, tough to put that on just him. His junior year was damn fun to watch. Remember Sports Illustrated dubbed him as the "next Lebron James."

 

[BobbyMac]

Correct. He was billed as a "generational" QB, #1 overall type of guy... instead his best season he was a mere 25th in the country in QBR and ended up being a second round pick + bust in the league. His best year, where he was a top 25 QB, he had NFL talent at literally every pass catching position.

My issue with Cali players is exactly that... they're almost always over-hyped. You see a 95 rating Cali WR chances are they'd be an 88 if they were coming out of NJ. Clausen #1 overall recruit, #1 QB recruit? No, he probably should've been a 4 type of guy. Just look at California's top rated QBs since 2010 --
2010 -- Jesse Scroggins, 96 rating, #4 overall QB -- BUST
2011 -- Max Wittek, 96 rating, #6 overall QB -- BUST
2012 -- Zach Kline, 98 rating, #3 overall QB -- BUST
2013 -- Troy Williams, 95 rating, #6 overall QB -- BUST
2014 -- Keller Chryst, 98 rating, #4 overall QB -- BUST
2015 -- Josh Rosen, 99 rating, #1 overall QB -- Actually good!!!
Bonus 2015 -- Blake Barnett, 99 rating, #2 overall QB -- BUST
2016 -- KJ Costello, 98 rating, #3 overall QB -- Probably going to be good.
Bonus 2016 -- Malik Henry, 98 rating, #4 overall QB -- BUST

So you've got like a 20% hit rate on California QBs if you consider Costello a hit. For whatever reason, the best California players seem to be the ones that fly under the radar and then blossom at some lesser PAC12 school. If you have hype and you're from California chances are you maxed out early and are going to suck at the next level. That's just my observation.

Should you be complaining about the players or the services or both?

Just because 247 and Rivals don't have competent analysts rating these kids doesn't mean they're any higher of a bust rate than other states or that only the lesser prospects going to lesser schools who make it. Gunner Kiel is Indiana's version. hunter Johnson may NEVER play at Clemson with Lawrence coming in behind him, Brandon Peters may get buried in the Harbaugh shuffle in Ann Arbor if Patterson transfers in.

Besides Rosen and Barnett in 2015's CA QB class you also had Sam Darnold & Jake Browning who basically rewrote the national QB record book. Even Tyler Hilinski threw for 1000 yds in mop up duty behind Falk at Wazzu. He might throw for 5000 as the starter next year.

 

[BobbyMac]

Clausen, lol.

4 titles, am I right?

You, lol

12 G ... 289-425 ... 68.0% ... 3722 yds ... 28 TD ... 4 Int ... 161.4 QBR

Joe Montana... 4 college titles amarite?

 

[irishandy]

Just think if Clausen would've stayed his senior year....still gets his degree and it would've helped his NFL draft stock.

 

[stlnd01]

Clausen never came remotely close to living up to his hype. If you make a list of California players, it has over an 80% fail rate.

Joe Schmidt tho