'13 FL RB Greg Bryant (R.I.P.)

[Damion704]

With Greg Bryant having red shirted this season, Notre Dame will have a running back in next year's freshman class in the five-star talent, even if it's a red-shirt freshman. Word around the program was that Bryant was Notre Dame's most talented running back this year before his injury. Barring a transfer, Notre Dame's running back depth chart will be unchanged in 2014.

Sampson also thinks right now he will stick around

"unchanged"?

 

[GBdomer]

Sampson has said Bryant is red shirting. Also Kelly said Bryant is red shirting.

 

[GBdomer]

I don't even think Greg Bryant was the running back "Dame Fan" was talking about. I think it was something to get his blog some hits

 

[connor_in]

We are? Can you explain that, or point me to an explanation?

A guy on the Internet said it...

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[yankeeND]

I don't even think Greg Bryant was the running back "Dame Fan" was talking about. I think it was something to get his blog some hits

I am starting to think that was the case too. I like Damefan's eternal optimism in regards to the program but, I noticed he does not get as many hits on his blogs as you would think for someone of his proclaimed insider knowledge. I do not dispute that he is privy to info we would all love to have, I just don't know enough about him to say one way or the other. I know TP has him post his blog on the Turning Point site so I am sure he has a pretty good amount of credibility.

 

[cody1smith]

Poor Poor jimmymac.

 

[GBdomer]

I am starting to think that was the case too. I like Damefan's eternal optimism in regards to the program but, I noticed he does not get as many hits on his blogs as you would think for someone of his proclaimed insider knowledge. I do not dispute that he is privy to info we would all love to have, I just don't know enough about him to say one way or the other. I know TP has him post his blog on the Turning Point site so I am sure he has a pretty good amount of credibility.

I am not saying Dame Fan doesn't have some kind of inside knowledge sometimes. I think a lot of it goes through TP. Because he is dialed in but Greg Bryant has never tweeted about not being happy and no mods even hinted at it. His dad came out and said he was frustarted with playing time. But what highly regarded kid doesn't want to play right away?

 

[STLDomer]

Damefan is the type of fan (from looking at his blog and Youtube videos) we all make fun of schools like Alabama and Arkansas for having

 

[tko]

Poor Poor jimmymac.

at least allow him a small loin cloth. I can't wait to see him make the leprechaun sign with his Louis Nix gloves post run.

 

[yankeeND]

I am not saying Dame Fan doesn't have some kind of inside knowledge sometimes. I think a lot of it goes through TP. Because he is dialed in but Greg Bryant has never tweeted about not being happy and no mods even hinted at it. His dad came out and said he was frustarted with playing time. But what highly regarded kid doesn't want to play right away?

Exactly my take on this. Bryant had a difficult first year and if he ever reads any of these boards he knows that fans were just as frustrated not seeing him play as well. He will be much better off having dealt with this adversity with playing time and his injury in year one and putting it behind him. He is crucial to future success in my opinion.

 

[micks60]

He only played in the Temple and Purdue games to my knowledge. Since he played such limited time and they were within the first six games he is elligible to redshirt. Not medical

 

[Emcee77]

He only played in the Temple and Purdue games to my knowledge. Since he played such limited time and they were within the first six games he is elligible to redshirt. Not medical

See, this is what everyone keeps saying, but this is incorrect. This is the rule for hardship waivers (See NCAA Rule 14.2.4). You do have to be injured to get a hardship waiver, and Bryant may have been, but the rule says the student "may" be granted a waiver at the discretion of the Committee on Student-Athlete Reinstatement.

I can't find where in the rules it says that you can take an elective redshirt as a matter of right if you only play limited time in the first half of the season. The only part that even appears to say that is the part about hardship waivers, and as I've written the rule doesn't actually say that. So I just don't understand. If someone can show me what I'm missing, I'd love it.

http://www.ncaapublications.com/productdownloads/D114.pdf

 

[IrishLax]

See, this is what everyone keeps saying, but this is incorrect. This is the rule for hardship waivers (See NCAA Rule 14.2.4). You do have to be injured to get a hardship waiver, and Bryant may have been, but the rule says the student "may" be granted a waiver at the discretion of the Committee on Student-Athlete Reinstatement.

I can't find where in the rules it says that you can take an elective redshirt as a matter of right if you only play limited time in the first half of the season. The only part that even appears to say that is the part about hardship waivers, and as I've written the rule doesn't actually say that. So I just don't understand. If someone can show me what I'm missing, I'd love it.

http://www.ncaapublications.com/productdownloads/D114.pdf

This is accurate. It's very easy, as evidenced by Gardner's completely fabricated back injury that was never reported and never caused him to miss a single practice, to get a 5th year due to injury after only playing a handful of snaps early in the season. There is no doubt that Bryant has an extra year of eligibility if he wants and/or needs it.

 

[micks60]

See, this is what everyone keeps saying, but this is incorrect. This is the rule for hardship waivers (See NCAA Rule 14.2.4). You do have to be injured to get a hardship waiver, and Bryant may have been, but the rule says the student "may" be granted a waiver at the discretion of the Committee on Student-Athlete Reinstatement.

I can't find where in the rules it says that you can take an elective redshirt as a matter of right if you only play limited time in the first half of the season. The only part that even appears to say that is the part about hardship waivers, and as I've written the rule doesn't actually say that. So I just don't understand. If someone can show me what I'm missing, I'd love it.

http://www.ncaapublications.com/productdownloads/D114.pdf

Ok so I just checked. At some point I missed something. As soonas you step on the field you lose a year according to a coach I know. So medical is the way to go but not hard to get. I am double checking tonight to get clarification on this exact situation. Seems like the rule has changed a bit since I last looked it up.

 

[Emcee77]

Ok so I just checked. At some point I missed something. As soonas you step on the field you lose a year according to a coach I know. So medical is the way to go but not hard to get. I am double checking tonight to get clarification on this exact situation. Seems like the rule has changed a bit since I last looked it up.

Awesome, thanks.

It may be that Kelly is just really confident that they will get the medical hardship waiver. I have no reason to believe they won't; I'm just curious about why they are acting like it's a foregone conclusion.

 

[stlnd01]

In all likelihood it's not an issue until the end of his natural senior year, 2016, at which point, if Bryant and ND jointly decide a fifth year is in order, they apply to the NCAA for a medical hardship for 2013.
I suppose they could do it sooner, just for peace of mind, but I'd guess at this point he envisions himself running on Sundays in 2017 regardless. There are also 18 other things that could happen between now and then. It's most likely to become an issue only if he transfers.

 

[Emcee77]

In all likelihood it's not an issue until the end of his natural senior year, 2016, at which point, if Bryant and ND jointly decide a fifth year is in order, they apply to the NCAA for a medical hardship for 2013.
I suppose they could do it sooner, just for peace of mind, but I'd guess at this point he envisions himself running on Sundays in 2017 regardless. There are also 18 other things that could happen between now and then. It's most likely to become an issue only if he transfers.

Actually, that would resolve the issue ... even if this year doesn't properly count as a redshirt year, his transfer year-in-residence at the new school would, so it wouldn't matter. He would definitely get his 5th year. Under those circumstances, the proper classification of this year would only matter if he got hurt again and lost another year to injury and wanted to apply for a sixth year.

 

[Domina Nostra]

See, this is what everyone keeps saying, but this is incorrect. This is the rule for hardship waivers (See NCAA Rule 14.2.4). You do have to be injured to get a hardship waiver, and Bryant may have been, but the rule says the student "may" be granted a waiver at the discretion of the Committee on Student-Athlete Reinstatement.

I can't find where in the rules it says that you can take an elective redshirt as a matter of right if you only play limited time in the first half of the season. The only part that even appears to say that is the part about hardship waivers, and as I've written the rule doesn't actually say that. So I just don't understand. If someone can show me what I'm missing, I'd love it.

http://www.ncaapublications.com/productdownloads/D114.pdf

You are right. But basically, the understanding is that freshman are granted medical waivers very easily. The NCAA has discretion, but generally exercises it for the freshman. My guess is the NCAA wants to make it easier for coaches not to play injured freshmen. Seems sensible. So if you are a coach, and a kid "has a knee" (as Kelly would say), you may decide after game 2 or 3 to shut him down and let him heal, coulnting on the NCAA granting the waiver.

You can apply for an extra year because of injuries so long as the injury happened at the begining of the season, about 3 games in (maybe slightly longer):

14.2.4 Hardship Waiver. . . (c) In team sports, the injury or illness occurs when the student-athlete has not participated in more than three contests or dates of competition (whichever is applicable to that sport) or 30 percent (whichever number is
greater) of the institution’s scheduled or completed contests or dates of competition in his or her sport.

 

[Emcee77]

Btw, just for the record, micks60 told me via PM that he checked with a coach and a couple of DI athletes he knows and they all said that a player can play a small amount in early-season games and still get a redshirt as of right, without having to apply for a hardship waiver. They said the situation is governed by some rule that isn't in the main manual. So it's not just Kelly; this seems to the widespread understanding.

 

[IrishLion]

Btw, just for the record, micks60 told me via PM that he checked with a coach and a couple of DI athletes he knows and they all said that a player can play a small amount in early-season games and still get a redshirt as of right, without having to apply for a hardship waiver. They said the situation is governed by some rule that isn't in the main manual. So it's not just Kelly; this seems to the widespread understanding.

I've shared this story before, but a high school teammate of mine played at Louisville a few years back and told me almost the exact same thing. He played in his first three games as a freshmen before the coaches decided to redshirt him and have him save a year. I asked him about it when I went down for a party once, and he said that as long as you don't play after game 3/4 and don't play a bunch of snaps, you're basically guaranteed a redshirt. He said it wasn't an "official" NCAA thing, but that it was all good and wouldn't be a problem.

 

[Irish#1]

Btw, just for the record, micks60 told me via PM that he checked with a coach and a couple of DI athletes he knows and they all said that a player can play a small amount in early-season games and still get a redshirt as of right, without having to apply for a hardship waiver. They said the situation is governed by some rule that isn't in the main manual. So it's not just Kelly; this seems to the widespread understanding.

This has been pretty much status quo for as long as I can remember. I'm not concerned about GB getting a redshirt granted.

 

[phork]

Ask Devin Gardner how it works...

 

[Junkhead]

GB is so good, he will probably turn pro after the first game next season. Seriously, I hope the expectations aren't too high. No disrespect, but don't want to see him under perform due to injuries like James Aldridge (our last 5* back???).

 

[koonja]

GB is so good, he will probably turn pro after the first game next season. Seriously, I hope the expectations aren't too high. No disrespect, but don't want to see him under perform due to injuries like James Aldridge (our last 5* back???).

Not possible. Do I really need to post some more pics to show you his herculean physique?

 

[Wild Bill]

GB is so good, he will probably turn pro after the first game next season. Seriously, I hope the expectations aren't too high. No disrespect, but don't want to see him under perform due to injuries like James Aldridge (our last 5* back???).

Aldridge was ridiculous before he blew his knee out. What could have been....

 

[cody1smith]

GB is so good, he will probably turn pro after the first game next season. Seriously, I hope the expectations aren't too high. No disrespect, but don't want to see him under perform due to injuries like James Aldridge (our last 5* back???).

I thought Wood was a 5 star by some sites?

 

[cody1smith]

Not possible. Do I really need to post some more pics to show you his herculean physique?

AHH good times. You are a good sport.

 

[Junkhead]

Not possible. Do I really need to post some more pics to show you his herculean physique?

No, I have them saved and droll over them in a non-homo way every day.

 

[Junkhead]

I thought Wood was a 5 star by some sites?

Yes, I think you are right. He was a disappointment in some ways (heh), but when given the playing time did not disappoint.

 

[BGIF]

No, I have them saved and droll over them in a non-homo way every day.

Subtle humor perhaps or spell checker flub?

Droll is an adjective while drool is the verb that seems to fit.