'11 IL WR DaVaris Daniels (Signed Notre Dame LOI)

[Domina Nostra]

IMO, there are only so many kids who can step in and compete for starting time immediately. Kids develop over time, and it is not silly to hope for a real shift in maturity and ability from seniors. Even if they are limited athletically, they are a known quantity and provide stability. Goodman is fast and tall and pretty strong. He is not a throw away. He just needs to get his act together. Also, there was zero chance he was going to push Floyd, so his minutes were always going to be slim. Think Robby Parris holding onto that Clausen throw against USC when the safety basically broke his ribs. Seniors turn things around.

This is not a knock on anyone (or even a slight knock). Golden Tate was incompetent and ran exactly one route ("GO!") as a freshman. Daniels, who will be a stud if and when he focuses 100%, did not play last year. (As he implied, it was hard for him to give 100% knowing, for a fact, that there was no chance he was going to play. Some very competitive people are like that.) Granted, Floyd was here, so it is going to be easier this year.

Greenberry appears to be good enough to step right in and compete, but he will have so much to learn. Ferguson and Brown do not (my opinion). Brown probably needs to get stronger, though he has the speed and the skills to be a game-changer eventualy. Ferguson needs to get more consistent, though he has the athleticism to be a red zone nightmare. I think they can play in limited roles this year, but you can't game plan around them.

Agholor and Neal were on the Greenberry level, and might have justified bumping Goodman. But we don't look like we are going to get either, so Goodman becomes a much easier call.

Payton makes the call harder because he is so mature and technically sound. We'll see.

 

[Old Man Mike]

Well, this is a Daniels thread, so I say that ND has Davaris as an amazing athletic talent [probably no one on the team with better size plus athleticism] and a mind-bogglingly productive Deontay Greenberry, and two guys [Ferguson and Brown] who look extremely productive as well. That to me is a ton of talent for the two wides.

Toma's relevance is that, again in my eye, he is the most underrated player on the football team. I'm solidly with Mike Mayock on this. This seems to be, ridiculously, because he doesn't pass the eye test. To MY eye however he runs effective routes, catches tough balls in the middle, blocks like crazy, and what-the-he!l-more do we want? If he mans the slot [TJ or not], then Davaris and TJ must fight it out with the three freshman studs to see who rolls out there as starters. Whereas Eifert praises Davaris very highly, Big Lou Nix seemed to want to get on his back a little bit to make more effort.

Again from other posts and threads, I see our potential athleticism and production at the wides as terrific. If the accurate dart-thrower QB is there, I can't see how such talent could be stopped in the Kelly offense. People still want 80-yarders from Golden Tate or Shark. That is not what Coach's offense emphasizes. He hits home-runs by surprise [note the couple of Rudolph/Eifert-type bombs], not by just bombing away.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

It's hard to be productive when Rees hardly looks your way to throw the ball.

True, but TJ dropped a bunch of critical passes early in the season. Toma catches everything you throw at him. Rees' lack of confidence in TJ may have been why he was targeted so infrequently.

 

[AdmiralBackhand]

True, but TJ dropped a bunch of critical passes early in the season. Toma catches everything you throw at him. Rees' lack of confidence in TJ may have been why he was targeted so infrequently.

You are probably spot on. I like to take the Tom Brady/Peyton Manning approach and hit that guy on the next play after a drop.

 

[irishff1014]

I think this young man is going to step in and be very good filling Floyds spot.

 

[Rhode Irish]

I would have a hard time seeing Toma benched for Jones. Toma's been very productive for us every time he's seen the field. TJ hasn't.

I agree. TJ is probably the more talented athlete, but a slot receiver is a different animal than a wideout, and Toma seems to fit that bill better than TJ. In the slot, you want a good route runner with great hands and some shiftiness to produce YAC. Not sure I have seen enough from TJ to think he satisfies any of those criteria yet.

That is not really a knock on TJ, either. I'm not convinced that he will be beat out for one of the outside spots, but if he is then so be it. Its much better to come into a season where there are more starter-quality players than starting positions. Its good for preseason competition (which fosters improvement) and it is good for depth purposes. Any player (at any position) who is beat out for a spot in camp will still have an opportunity to make an impact over the course of the season.

 

[returnofthemack]

With Deontay's decommit for ...Houston..., Davaris needs to step up and enter beast mode right away. He's our only potentially elite wr now.

 

[FightingIrishLover7]

With Deontay's decommit for ...Houston..., Davaris needs to step up and enter beast mode right away. He's our only potentially elite wr now.

Fergy and Brown have elite potential. I assure you this.

But, yes, DvD is the most ready to breakout.

 

[tko]

DD's time to shine.

 

[gkIrish]

DD's time to shine.

truer words have rarely been spoken

 

[Kak7304]

The kid got a year to learn from one of the best in the business and is hopefully hungry for his chance to shine. I'm convinced that had he played a different WR position, gone to a different school, or had we not had Floyd, he would have played last year. He was highly regarded coming out of high school and has great potential.

 

[GoldenIsThyFame]

Davaris' dad Philip was recently named Director of Player Development for the Washington Redskins. Congrats to him and his family.

 

[BeauBenken]

He's never gonna leave the league. lol

 

[Rhode Irish]

He's never gonna leave the league. lol

Beau, I like you, man, but since this is a slow day in a slow part of the year, I'm going to pick this as the time to bring this up.

If this is funny, I'm missing the joke. And your jokes must fly over my head in a unique way, because I hardly ever miss a joke and I miss jokes in your posts almost every time. Because I'm missing all these jokes, I'm reading all of these "lol"s as nervous laughter by a McLovin-type of teenager after everything he says. Unless you're super awkward and nervous we don't need the "lol" after every sentence.

 

[woolybug25]

Beau, I like you, man, but since this is a slow day in a slow part of the year, I'm going to pick this as the time to bring this up.

If this is funny, I'm missing the joke. And your jokes must fly over my head in a unique way, because I hardly ever miss a joke and I miss jokes in your posts almost every time. Because I'm missing all these jokes, I'm reading all of these "lol"s as nervous laughter by a McLovin-type of teenager after everything he says. Unless you're super awkward and nervous we don't need the "lol" after every sentence.

Somebody woke up on the wrong side of the bed this morning, lol.

 

[Emcee77]

Davaris' dad Philip was recently named Director of Player Development for the Washington Redskins. Congrats to him and his family.

uh oh, we aren't going to see an Amir Carlisle-style transfer, are we? lol.

 

[clashmore_mike]

 

[Irish Fam]

Beau, I like you, man, but since this is a slow day in a slow part of the year, I'm going to pick this as the time to bring this up.

If this is funny, I'm missing the joke. And your jokes must fly over my head in a unique way, because I hardly ever miss a joke and I miss jokes in your posts almost every time. Because I'm missing all these jokes, I'm reading all of these "lol"s as nervous laughter by a McLovin-type of teenager after everything he says. Unless you're super awkward and nervous we don't need the "lol" after every sentence.

This post mixed with your avatar makes me think you dont laugh very much

 

[Rhode Irish]

This post mixed with your avatar makes me think you dont laugh very much

I do! lol

The thing is, I just prefer to laugh at funny things.

 

[Bogtrotter07]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Irish Fam
This post mixed with your avatar makes me think you dont laugh very much

Tom is one of the funniest guys I know. Don't you ever have a time when something someone does irritates you? What, Tom should not express himself. I didn't see him attack Beau in a personal manner. He was respectful. He kept it about a behavior. So if it were me I would just make sure I understood what Tom was saying, and take it for what it's worth.

Besides, I know how to make Tom smile; Send him a fifth of a passable single malt . . . I'm just sayin'.

 

[BeauBenken]

Beau, I like you, man, but since this is a slow day in a slow part of the year, I'm going to pick this as the time to bring this up.

If this is funny, I'm missing the joke. And your jokes must fly over my head in a unique way, because I hardly ever miss a joke and I miss jokes in your posts almost every time. Because I'm missing all these jokes, I'm reading all of these "lol"s as nervous laughter by a McLovin-type of teenager after everything he says. Unless you're super awkward and nervous we don't need the "lol" after every sentence.

I laugh at myself because I'm that funny.

Now only half the people who read that took that as a joke. I don't literally "lol" after every sentence (although I do frequently laugh, keeps me sane), but rather as a reminder to readers that I'm joking. I've run into plenty of times where a sentence minus the "lol" or winkie face ( ) has caused me problems because people took what I was saying seriously.

And I thought it was laughingly admirable that Mr. Daniels is still sticking around so long. He just doesn't know the word "quit".




lol.

 

[NDhoosier]

no need to defend yourself Beau, he just seems like someone who thinks he is better than others. Rhode Irish, if you were such a great man, you would have PMed him a long time ago about this, but instead you publicly try and humiliate him, that tells me quite a lot about your personality. I dont think Beau's personality is in question here, but yours.

 

[greyhammer90]

Stop.











Lol time.

 

[NDdomer2]

no need to defend yourself Beau, he just seems like someone who thinks he is better than others. Rhode Irish, if you were such a great man, you would have PMed him a long time ago about this, but instead you publicly try and humiliate him, that tells me quite a lot about your personality. I dont think Beau's personality is in question here, but yours.

Dude, I would drop this one. Beau clearly wasn't upset by anything Rhode Irish said and he took a ribbing for his comments already. If you felt the need to defend Beau you should have used your own advice and took to a PM.

 

[Irish Fam]

Tom is one of the funniest guys I know. Don't you ever have a time when something someone does irritates you? What, Tom should not express himself. I didn't see him attack Beau in a personal manner. He was respectful. He kept it about a behavior. So if it were me I would just make sure I understood what Tom was saying, and take it for what it's worth.

Besides, I know how to make Tom smile; Send him a fifth of a passable single malt . . . I'm just sayin'.

Lol wasn't meant to be a shot at him (Tom). More of a joke about how I read his comment and that combined with the stone cold avatar he had made me think, "this guy doesn't like loling"... relax man. Wasn't meant to offend him.

maybe i should have put "lol" after my statement

 

[Bogtrotter07]

Everybody, take a ****en' chill pill, NOW!

 

[Irishnuke]

This thread has turned to crap, lol.

 

[irishog77]

Riveting last page or two here.

 

[SoIll]

This thread has turned to crap, lol.

they all usually do

 

[Redbar]

Yeah all it takes is one rabble-rouser.