Russia Invades Ukraine

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  • Not sure the level of fact in this, but this guy was supposedly a qualified dude once, despite operating as a loser in Afghanistan, and more anonymously in Syria. He has allegedly been retired (obviously comfortably) in Moscow for 20 years. FOX News makes some pretty specific claims about his apparel etc, and since I don't trust FOX News, I'll not repeat that. But just because the guy is way out of shape doesn't mean he can't "general." I doubt he'll be leading the troops unless they need someone to roll downhill and crush the enemy.​
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  • Not sure the level of fact in this, but this guy was supposedly a qualified dude once, despite operating as a loser in Afghanistan, and more anonymously in Syria. He has allegedly been retired (obviously comfortably) in Moscow for 20 years. FOX News makes some pretty specific claims about his apparel etc, and since I don't trust FOX News, I'll not repeat that. But just because the guy is way out of shape doesn't mean he can't "general." I doubt he'll be leading the troops unless they need someone to roll downhill and crush the enemy.​
Yes, just because he shops at the Portly Gentleman, doesn't mean he can't be a good general.

Heck, Taft was a good president and Jabba was a good crime lord.
 

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Yes, just because he shops at the Portly Gentleman, doesn't mean he can't be a good general.

Heck, Taft was a good president and Jabba was a good crime lord.
You have to be desperate to bring a 20 year retired general out of moth balls. He may have been competent back then, but the advances in weapons technology since then will have him behind the eight ball.
 

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If they put him on the front lines like their other generals, he will make a very large, slow target.
 

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Reading that the Ukraine line in Donbas is breaking again.

Wonder what it's like to get dropped in there. There are videos/articles where former US/NATO volunteers admit its unlike anything they've experienced.

Final curiosity, how much of each side's propaganda is true? I have a hard time taking any of it at face value. Can't imagine Ukraine is actually gonna launch a million man counter attack in the south lol.

Would like to know what both sides are actually thinking right now. Obviously Russia wasn't anticipating this so far....but looks like they have sorta figured things out. Ukraine on the other hand, whats their endgame? Does Europe start cutting off aid if Russia starts cutting off gas?
 

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Reading that the Ukraine line in Donbas is breaking again.

Wonder what it's like to get dropped in there. There are videos/articles where former US/NATO volunteers admit its unlike anything they've experienced.

Final curiosity, how much of each side's propaganda is true? I have a hard time taking any of it at face value. Can't imagine Ukraine is actually gonna launch a million man counter attack in the south lol.

Would like to know what both sides are actually thinking right now. Obviously Russia wasn't anticipating this so far....but looks like they have sorta figured things out. Ukraine on the other hand, whats their endgame? Does Europe start cutting off aid if Russia starts cutting off gas?
Watch The Enforcer on YouTube. Every night they break down what has happened that day and show plenty of action videos from the war.

There is no reason Ukraine can't mobilize a large army. If they aren't building one in the west right now then heads should roll.
 

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Watch The Enforcer on YouTube. Every night they break down what has happened that day and show plenty of action videos from the war.

There is no reason Ukraine can't mobilize a large army. If they aren't building one in the west right now then heads should roll.
I'll check it out.

I'm curious on how much they can mobilize. And how long it would take to have the guys ready to actually rumble.
 

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The UK is training 10k Ukraine troops every 3 months now. The US is training troops in the US and Germany. Germany is training some on their systems. I am sure other countries are training as well.
 

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If NATO didnt try to include Georgia or Ukraine in a hostile military pact directed towards Russia there would be no Russian troops in either those countries today. Western powers and NATO funded and organized with Nazis to overthrow the legally elected President of Ukraine. Once again tribalists on both sides seem to miss that all sides in this barbaric escalation of violence against the people of Ukraine are wrong.
 
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I don't believe that IE wants to applaud posts that trumpet Pro-Putin insanity.
Even Jewish authorities have rejected Putin's propaganda about there being a Nazi overthrow of the Ukrainian criminal who preceded the current President, who, perhaps you know, but given the quality of your post perhaps you don't, is of Jewish ancestry.
 

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I don't believe that IE wants to applaud posts that trumpet Pro-Putin insanity.
Even Jewish authorities have rejected Putin's propaganda about there being a Nazi overthrow of the Ukrainian criminal who preceded the current President, who, perhaps you know, but given the quality of your post perhaps you don't, is of Jewish ancestry.
It's well documented that they were wearing swastikas championing Ukranian Nazi soldiers from WWII. Its not propaganda. The Azov battalion is well known for it. Many independent journalists have documented as such. You should get out of whatever bubble you're in. The Ukrainian people are overwhelming not nazis in anyway, but there is a small population, very similar to the white supremicists in America, that wield a surprising amount of power for their size and its because they are willing to use heinous violence to meet their objectives.

I am very aware of Volodymyr Zelenskyy and his Jewish ancestry. I am also aware that he was elected by the people because he promised to negotiate with Russia for peace and reconciliation and was told by the same Nazi's, that you say don't exist, that he would be assassinated if he gave up control in anyway to any part of Ukraine, which was part of the International Peace Treaty. Not to give the territory to Russia, but let them be independently governed and still apart of Ukraine. I also know those same Nazi's have been bombing Ukrainian citizens in the breakaway parts of Ukraine since 2014 and have been receiving weapons and ammunition form the west.

I am also aware that Russia has always and will always have a policy of keeping Ukraine out of enemy hands at all costs. They will never allow Ukraine to be a part of a hostile military alliance, it has always been Russian military policy. Any one that knows anything about history knows why. It is through Ukraine every major incursion into Russia has come. When in meetings in 2008 NATO countries eluded to brining Georgia and Ukraine into NATO Russia said they would never allow it. This was no secret. The west knew Russia was going to retaliate and they saw what Russia did in Georgia. It's the exact same thing they are doing in Ukraine. Russia knows that as long as their military has a foothold in the country NATO will never accept them as a member. They will never risk a full on nuclear war against Russia and that is exactly what Russia is willing to risk to keep Ukraine out of enemy hands.

I am also aware that Ukraine is one of the most corrupt countries in the world. That US and NATO weapons are all over the dark web. Weapons that can blow up city blocks or take down airliners.

Again like I said in my previous post all parties are wrong in this war, just like all wars. No one should be backing either side except the side of Ukrainians and their right to do business with whoever they want, but not to join a hostile military alliance against their closet neighbor and largest trading partner.

Last I am not Pro-Putin. Nor, is anything I said (his) propaganda. I despise him just as much as I despise Donald Trump, Joe Biden, and all the rest of the sociopathic elite. I follow the facts from independent voices that are not tribalist, but want to bring light to the truth. If you honestly believe our goals in Ukraine are righteous and this isn't just another proxy war between Russia and the US with Ukrainians suffering in the middle, I have a bridge to sell you.
 
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It's well documented that they were wearing swastikas championing Ukranian Nazi soldiers from WWII. Its not propaganda. The Azov battalion is well known for it. Many independent journalists have documented as such. You should get out of whatever bubble you're in. The Ukrainian people are overwhelming not nazis in anyway, but there is a small population, very similar to the white supremicists in America, that wield a surprising amount of power for their size and its because they are willing to use heinous violence to meet their objectives.

I am very aware of Volodymyr Zelenskyy and his Jewish ancestry. I am also aware that he was elected by the people because he promised to negotiate with Russia for peace and reconciliation and was told by the same Nazi's, that you say don't exist, that he would be assassinated if he gave up control in anyway to any part of Ukraine, which was part of the International Peace Treaty. Not to give the territory to Russia, but let them be independently governed and still apart of Ukraine. I also know those same Nazi's have been bombing Ukrainian citizens in the breakaway parts of Ukraine since 2014 and have been receiving weapons and ammunition form the west.

I am also aware that Russia has always and will always have a policy of keeping Ukraine out of enemy hands at all costs. They will never allow Ukraine to be a part of a hostile military alliance, it has always been Russian military policy. Any one that knows anything about history knows why. It is through Ukraine every major incursion into Russia has come. When in meetings in 2008 NATO countries eluded to brining Georgia and Ukraine into NATO Russia said they would never allow it. This was no secret. The west knew Russia was going to retaliate and they saw what Russia did in Georgia. It's the exact same thing they are doing in Ukraine. Russia knows that as long as their military has a foothold in the country NATO will never accept them as a member. They will never risk a full on nuclear war against Russia and that is exactly what Russia is willing to risk to keep Ukraine out of enemy hands.

I am also aware that Ukraine is one of the most corrupt countries in the world. That US and NATO weapons are all over the dark web. Weapons that can blow up city blocks or take down airliners.

Again like I said in my previous post all parties are wrong in this war, just like all wars. No one should be backing either side except the side of Ukrainians and their right to do business with whoever they want, but not to join a hostile military alliance against their closet neighbor and largest trading partner.

Last I am not Pro-Putin. Nor, is anything I said (his) propaganda. I despise him just as much as I despise Donald Trump, Joe Biden, and all the rest of the sociopathic elite. I follow the facts from independent voices that are not tribalist, but want to bring light to the truth. If you honestly believe our goals in Ukraine are righteous and this isn't just another proxy war between Russia and the US with Ukrainians suffering in the middle, I have a bridge to sell you.
Yes my goals regarding Ukraine are righteous and I will support politicians trying to defend its autonomy. This is a democracy, after all.
 

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It's well documented that they were wearing swastikas championing Ukranian Nazi soldiers from WWII. Its not propaganda. The Azov battalion is well known for it. Many independent journalists have documented as such. You should get out of whatever bubble you're in. The Ukrainian people are overwhelming not nazis in anyway, but there is a small population, very similar to the white supremicists in America, that wield a surprising amount of power for their size and its because they are willing to use heinous violence to meet their objectives.

I am very aware of Volodymyr Zelenskyy and his Jewish ancestry. I am also aware that he was elected by the people because he promised to negotiate with Russia for peace and reconciliation and was told by the same Nazi's, that you say don't exist, that he would be assassinated if he gave up control in anyway to any part of Ukraine, which was part of the International Peace Treaty. Not to give the territory to Russia, but let them be independently governed and still apart of Ukraine. I also know those same Nazi's have been bombing Ukrainian citizens in the breakaway parts of Ukraine since 2014 and have been receiving weapons and ammunition form the west.

I am also aware that Russia has always and will always have a policy of keeping Ukraine out of enemy hands at all costs. They will never allow Ukraine to be a part of a hostile military alliance, it has always been Russian military policy. Any one that knows anything about history knows why. It is through Ukraine every major incursion into Russia has come. When in meetings in 2008 NATO countries eluded to brining Georgia and Ukraine into NATO Russia said they would never allow it. This was no secret. The west knew Russia was going to retaliate and they saw what Russia did in Georgia. It's the exact same thing they are doing in Ukraine. Russia knows that as long as their military has a foothold in the country NATO will never accept them as a member. They will never risk a full on nuclear war against Russia and that is exactly what Russia is willing to risk to keep Ukraine out of enemy hands.

I am also aware that Ukraine is one of the most corrupt countries in the world. That US and NATO weapons are all over the dark web. Weapons that can blow up city blocks or take down airliners.

Again like I said in my previous post all parties are wrong in this war, just like all wars. No one should be backing either side except the side of Ukrainians and their right to do business with whoever they want, but not to join a hostile military alliance against their closet neighbor and largest trading partner.

Last I am not Pro-Putin. Nor, is anything I said (his) propaganda. I despise him just as much as I despise Donald Trump, Joe Biden, and all the rest of the sociopathic elite. I follow the facts from independent voices that are not tribalist, but want to bring light to the truth. If you honestly believe our goals in Ukraine are righteous and this isn't just another proxy war between Russia and the US with Ukrainians suffering in the middle, I have a bridge to sell you.
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Far too many have swallowed hook, line and sinker what they have been sold so well by modern media outlets. That Ukraine over Russia is a righteous war that the US ought to be backing (and that somehow Ukraine is a righteous nation, lol). When in fact, we/NATO, are the primary reason (or at the very least one of the top reasons) there even is an Ukraine/Russia war.

The ever expanding westward march of NATO towards the Russian border since the end of the cold war is as much the issue for this war as anything. Likely it is THE issue above all else. To naively see Ukraine as the Untied States baby brother who we are defending is based in large amounts of ignorance and effective brainwashing. I've got a pair of pliers to get the hook out of your throat if you'd like.
 
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