Nov 22 | Louisville

[Bluto]

No one knows what goes on behind the scenes or in practice, but everyone knows Tranquill was terrible last week. I hate to beat up on a kid who was put in a position he was unprepared for, but he was awful. Starting him over Redfield again is an objectively God awful decision. I am not trying to pile on BK, however one of his worst flaws imo is stubborness and being unwilling to admit mistakes. Starting Tranquill last week was a mistake and doing so again this week is inexcusable. Any coach should no better there is no justification for doing so, if Redfield had done something to deserve to be suspended then suspend him, otherwise no reason for Tranquill to play. This is an awful coaching decision and anyone who stands behind BK on this is an apologist imo.

Here's the thing...nobody missing a good deal of the facts pertaining to a situation is capable of making an "objective" assessment of said situation. So there's that.

 

[ShawneeIrish]

Here's the thing...nobody missing a good deal of the facts pertaining to a situation is capable of making an "objective" assessment of said situation. So there's that.

True in a sense, but Redfield has looked objectively better than how Tranquill performed last week which was below the level of a starter for any power 5 team.

 

[Irish Insanity]

Here's the thing...nobody missing a good deal of the facts pertaining to a situation is capable of making an "objective" assessment of said situation. So there's that.

Here's the facts. He's the best we have. He got benched. As a fan idc what the reason is. Get his ass on that field as the starter.

 

[PANDFAN]

That's the point. Nobody knows but the staff and the players. So, if you think Kelly and VanGorder are such unprofessional and complete dolts as to bench a kind on a whim then that's fine. That means this program has bigger problems than anyone could imagine and Kelly might as well be fired. Somehow I doubt that is the case. So with that in mind I'm guessing Redfield must have done/said something really stupid and or has a really shitty attitude. Or... Kelly could be betting against ND and is intentionally shaving points/ sabotaging the team.

well he was #64 in coaches salaries

 

[wizards8507]

I'm guessing Redfield must have done/said something really stupid and or has a really shitty attitude.

Whatever he did or said obviously isn't bad enough to suspend him, or else he'd be suspended. Therefore, I think it's safe to operate under the assumption that whatever we're talking about is relatively minor. That said, this decision punishes the team and the fans as much as it punishes the kid. Make him run laps in practice or something, but don't jeopardize your team's chances of winning (unless, like I said, it's bad enough to suspend him).

 

[NDohio]

This has to be off the field issues. Max had the one play against ASU - and I do think he was gun shy about hitting a QB that close to the sideline - but other than that he never shies away from contact. The back end has struggled some in being in the right place, but not to the extent of making this big of a change.

Where's Jimmy Mac? We need boots on the ground to get to the bottom of this!!

 

[woolybug25]

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Someone should make this kid a thread. St Joseph is about a half hour from South Bend. So while he is a Michigan kid, this is Notre Dame country. We should be a player here if we want to be.

 

[wizards8507]

This has to be off the field issues.

I'm just really confused about what's bad enough where you get to dress... but you don't get to start... but you do get to play... but not much.

 

[NDohio]

I'm just really confused about what's bad enough where you get to dress... but you don't get to start... but you do get to play... but not much.

I'm with you on the confusion. Has he performed so badly on the field that he warrants these results?

 

[Pops Freshenmeyer]

I'm just really confused about what's bad enough where you get to dress... but you don't get to start... but you do get to play... but not much.

This is where I'm at. And it can't be an issue of getting other guys into position since they could just have Collinsworth do it.

I really like Tranquill but he should switch places with Onwualu (IMO).

 

[IrishLax]

I'm just really confused about what's bad enough where you get to dress... but you don't get to start... but you do get to play... but not much.

Which is why I think it's a football decision. Redfield has played bad all year with questionable effort, I just look at the film from last week and LOL at the thought that he is worse than what we saw there.

 

[koonja]

Do not question Kelly on a football discussion board. He's closer to the situation. You are all idiots. End of story.

 

[irishog77]

Which is why I think it's a football decision. Redfield has played bad all year with questionable effort, I just look at the film from last week and LOL at the thought that he is worse than what we saw there.

I'm confused- how is it a football decision then?

 

[wizards8507]

I'm confused- how is it a football decision then?

 

[IrishLax]

I'm confused- how is it a football decision then?

You see this all the time. You give the player a shot and if they've "proven" they're not the answer then you move on to the next guy. It's especially common with QBs where someone will start a bunch of games and then they'll give the next guy in at least a couple games to show what he can do even if there are serious growing pains/mistakes.

So if they don't believe Redfield is playing at an acceptable level then they move on to the next guy and give him a shot/live with the learning mistakes.

 

[irishog77]

You see this all the time. You give the player a shot and if they've "proven" they're not the answer then you move on to the next guy. It's especially common with QBs where someone will start a bunch of games and then they'll give the next guy in at least a couple games to show what he can do even if there are serious growing pains/mistakes.

So if they don't believe Redfield is playing at an acceptable level then they move on to the next guy and give him a shot/live with the learning mistakes.

Ok, gotcha. I didn't know what you meant earlier about "football decision."

 

[Emcee77]

Which is why I think it's a football decision. Redfield has played bad all year with questionable effort, I just look at the film from last week and LOL at the thought that he is worse than what we saw there.

I agree, it has to be a football decision. I'll add that I have never heard anything bad about Redfield from an off-field perspective ... everyone says that he is a great kid with a great attitude.

But I agree with the second part of your post too -- I think it's a bad football decision. No way a true freshman playing out of position should be playing over an elite athlete with all the potential in the world at the safety position because he has a "nose for the ball." Just don't get it.

 

[wizards8507]

You see this all the time. You give the player a shot and if they've "proven" they're not the answer then you move on to the next guy. It's especially common with QBs where someone will start a bunch of games and then they'll give the next guy in at least a couple games to show what he can do even if there are serious growing pains/mistakes.

So if they don't believe Redfield is playing at an acceptable level then they move on to the next guy and give him a shot/live with the learning mistakes.

 

[Bluto]

Here's the facts. He's the best we have. He got benched. As a fan idc what the reason is. Get his ass on that field as the starter.

So, take a win at all costs approach? That's one of the fundamental problems with college and high school athletics at this point.

 

[irishog77]

You see this all the time. You give the player a shot and if they've "proven" they're not the answer then you move on to the next guy. It's especially common with QBs where someone will start a bunch of games and then they'll give the next guy in at least a couple games to show what he can do even if there are serious growing pains/mistakes.

So if they don't believe Redfield is playing at an acceptable level then they move on to the next guy and give him a shot/live with the learning mistakes.

If true about Redfield though, this is Dayne Crist-like. Redfield was the starter....and now is last on the depth chart. That's "your football career is over at ND" type of action.

 

[koonja]

So, take a win at all costs approach? That's on of the fundamental problems with college and high school athletics at this point.

Personally, zero problem with win at all costs approach in D1 football. You don't owe the players anything more than a chance to compete.

 

[wizards8507]

Personally, zero problem with win at all costs approach in D1 football. You don't owe the players anything more than a chance to compete.

I think Bluto meant things like integrity and whatnot. See: Jameis Winston.

 

[NDohio]

If true about Redfield though, this is Dayne Crist-like. Redfield was the starter....and now is last on the depth chart. That's "your football career is over at ND" type of action.

I agree. That's why I find it so confusing. Has he been that bad? Wasn't last week 100x worse?

 

[IrishLax]

I agree. That's why I find it so confusing. Has he been that bad? Wasn't last week 100x worse?

Last week was 100x worse. Redfield is late to everything and misses tackles. But Tranquill had coverage busts, miscommunication, got flat out burned in coverage, etc. He was abused all day by a BAD team with BAD skill position players.

 

[PANDFAN]

ND, where 5 stars go to die

 

[NCND]

ND, where 5 stars go to die

Yep and its so damn frustrating.

 

[Ndaccountant]

Last week was 100x worse. Redfield is late to everything and misses tackles. But Tranquill had coverage busts, miscommunication, got flat out burned in coverage, etc. He was abused all day by a BAD team with BAD skill position players.

Totally agree.

NW attacked 3 people in coverage all game long.....Drue, Morgan & Farley and did so with great success save the late throw into the end zone.

 

[Buster Bluth]

ND, where 5 stars go to die

Because he isn't playing well as a sophomore, his first year in a new defense?

Manti Teo
Stephon Tuitt
Jimmy Clausen
Michael Floyd
Kyle Rudolph

All five star players, no? All did well.

Jaylon Smith is doing well.

Ishaq Williams is the only one to be a legitimate bust under Kelly.

 

[koonja]

Because he isn't playing well as a sophomore, his first year in a new defense?

Manti Teo
Stephon Tuitt
Jimmy Clausen
Michael Floyd
Kyle Rudolph

All five star players, no? All did well.

Jaylon Smith is doing well.

Ishaq Williams is the only one to be a legitimate bust under Kelly.

Too early. Watch him next year in the right defense as a 4-3 end, rather than covering TEs 2o yards down the field. Ishaq's going to have a monster 2015 campaign.

 

[PANDFAN]

Because he isn't playing well as a sophomore, his first year in a new defense?

Manti Teo
Stephon Tuitt
Jimmy Clausen
Michael Floyd
Kyle Rudolph

All five star players, no? All did well.

Jaylon Smith is doing well.

Ishaq Williams is the only one to be a legitimate bust under Kelly.

i was just exaggerating...frustration that he is talked about so highly by BK and now is riding the pine and i saw enough from last weekend that this weekend we need to be on our A game due to Petrino's play calling and offense