'15 IN ILB/OLB Asmar Bilal (Notre Dame Signed NLI)

[IrishLax]

Remember when the staff got out worked on this one?

Still think it's true and Wiltfong/TJ wouldn't have said what they said without good info. I don't think Asmar is ready to decide but I also don't buy anything into recent comments. Just IMO.

 

[Domina Nostra]

Remember when the staff got out worked on this one?

Do people really think that Kelly regularly gets outworked, or that he tolerates people who do for very long? Not every kid is going to end up liking Notre Dame more than Florida, Michigan, or UCLA. Every kid is unique.

ND has a sales pitch that is honed to the product. You can't be all about values and then play the same game everyone else does. If you claim to be different you have to act different. No pitch works all the time, but I bet it's the best one for kids who pick AND STICK with Notre Dame.

We can never win the race to the bottom with our current values. That is LSU, FSU, Auburn, Oklahoma, OSU, and Oregon's fight.

 

[rtrn2glory]

Still think it's true and Wiltfong/TJ wouldn't have said what they said without good info. I don't think Asmar is ready to decide but I also don't buy anything into recent comments. Just IMO.

i'm not disagreeing with you, but is it possible that their information from which i understand is the high school coach, may be receiving mixed signals or is possibly not as locked into asmar's recruiting as other coaches may be?

just an idea that could have caused the confusion, which goes to show how vital it is for these analysts to build personal relationships with the players themselves to eliminate the middle man when breaking news on their recruitment.

 

[Irish#1]

Still think it's true and Wiltfong/TJ wouldn't have said what they said without good info. I don't think Asmar is ready to decide but I also don't buy anything into recent comments. Just IMO.

So you don't believe Anna? That's straight from the horses mouth isn't it?

Here's my two cents worth which is probably valued closer to one cent at the moment.

Winning definitely helps recruiting, but I think we need two very strong years back to back to have us in the minds of a lot of the elite kids.

A lot of folks in this thread are upset and positive that the staff got outworked on this recruitment because someone thought Bilal is Michigan. Now we have a report from Anna who talked to Bilal and said that wasn't true. This goes back to what I've said before. I'm not trying to be self righteous or say "I told you so", but Anna's report confirms what I've been trying to convey. The only people that really know what's going on are the coaches and the recruit. Everything else is somewhat subjective and passed along second hand.

Also, as mentioned by others, there are a lot of things that go into recruiting and the eventual outcome is determined by more than just the effort the coaches put into it. I don't believe the staff is lacking or slacking in effort. Are they spread too thin? Maybe, but if they are, BK will recognize that and get additional staff if that's what it takes.

 

[Ndaccountant]

So you don't believe Anna? That's straight from the horses mouth isn't it?

Are you calling Anna a horse?

 

[BobbyMac]

Do people really think that Kelly regularly gets outworked, or that he tolerates people who do for very long? Not every kid is going to end up liking Notre Dame more than Florida, Michigan, or UCLA. Every kid is unique.

ND has a sales pitch that is honed to the product. You can't be all about values and then play the same game everyone else does. If you claim to be different you have to act different. No pitch works all the time, but I bet it's the best one for kids who pick AND STICK with Notre Dame.

We can never win the race to the bottom with our current values. That is LSU, FSU, Auburn, Oklahoma, OSU, and Oregon's fight.

Perfectly said...

If I knew how to give you all my beer money and shamrocks I'd happily do so.

.

 

[T Town Tommy]

Still think it's true and Wiltfong/TJ wouldn't have said what they said without good info. I don't think Asmar is ready to decide but I also don't buy anything into recent comments. Just IMO.

Agree about Wiltfong. He is one of the best in the business. Maybe that's Asmar's way of saying he would like a little more "love" from the staff. Bottom line is all recruits are different. Some like the limelight and some shy away from it. ND is currently recruiting a kid... can't remember who at the moment, but he has stated he doesn't care for the constant attention and has kept his recruitment pretty low key. Maybe Asmar has started liking the attention and is wanting ND to show a little more than maybe they have in the recent past. Guessing what 17-18 yr old players think from one day to the next is nearly impossible. ND is going to stay engaged, and if he wants more attention he will get it. Can't see a premiere staff getting "outworked" like that. Slow to react to the changing sentiment maybe... but outworked may be a stretch.

 

[PANDFAN]

Agree about Wiltfong. He is one of the best in the business. Maybe that's Asmar's way of saying he would like a little more "love" from the staff. Bottom line is all recruits are different. Some like the limelight and some shy away from it. ND is currently recruiting a kid... can't remember who at the moment, but he has stated he doesn't care for the constant attention and has kept his recruitment pretty low key. Maybe Asmar has started liking the attention and is wanting ND to show a little more than maybe they have in the recent past. Guessing what 17-18 yr old players think from one day to the next is nearly impossible. ND is going to stay engaged, and if he wants more attention he will get it. Can't see a premiere staff getting "outworked" like that. Slow to react to the changing sentiment maybe... but outworked may be a stretch.

i believe it was triston hoge, who wanted the staff to focus their attention on getting others as he is 100% committed and didn't need the attention

 

[T Town Tommy]

i believe it was triston hoge, who wanted the staff to focus their attention on getting others as he is 100% committed and didn't need the attention

Thanks Pand. And welcome back BTW. Missed seeing you around.

 

[IrishLax]

So you don't believe Anna? That's straight from the horses mouth isn't it?

I tend to give the least value of all information to direct quotes in response to difficult questions. Too many examples to list.

Here's my two cents worth which is probably valued closer to one cent at the moment.

Winning definitely helps recruiting, but I think we need two very strong years back to back to have us in the minds of a lot of the elite kids.

A lot of folks in this thread are upset and positive that the staff got outworked on this recruitment because someone thought Bilal is Michigan. Now we have a report from Anna who talked to Bilal and said that wasn't true. This goes back to what I've said before. I'm not trying to be self righteous or say "I told you so", but Anna's report confirms what I've been trying to convey. The only people that really know what's going on are the coaches and the recruit. Everything else is somewhat subjective and passed along second hand.

Also, as mentioned by others, there are a lot of things that go into recruiting and the eventual outcome is determined by more than just the effort the coaches put into it. I don't believe the staff is lacking or slacking in effort. Are they spread too thin? Maybe, but if they are, BK will recognize that and get additional staff if that's what it takes.

Well, see I don't know. It's more a contrast of styles than a contrast in effort, but the other style takes more "effort." There is a stark contrast in how BK recruits relative to Franklin/Mora/Meyer/Hoke. When BK first took the job, I think he recruited with far more "sell" and "push." He doesn't do that anymore, because the players he got from it tended to have a bad attitude... I think now he recruits a lot more like Harbaugh/Shaw.

Look at the feeding frenzy over California QBs this year. Then look at how Josh Rosen desperately wanted a Stanford offer. And then look at how Shaw had the balls to be like "nah, not right attitude." That's a bonafide 5-star talent Shaw just flat passed on.

I think BK isn't to that level, but he's gotten to the point of legitimately not wanting even top talents if they're a poor fit for ND. That doesn't mean he won't still fall into some... as great as the general makeup of the '13 and '14 classes were there were still a couple bad apples in the bunch. But in general, I do believe his general approach to recruiting is closer to Shaw than a Mora these days, and that can hypothetically lead to getting "out sold" or "out worked." I don't think that's a huge indictment of the staff, just a reality of this type of approach. And I'm fine with that as long as we:
1. Still get ours.
2. Put a winning product on the field.

 

[ResLife Hero]

One of the guys from Mgoblog (Ace Anbender) just put in a CB for Bilal to ND. Glanced through his track record, and he seems to be fairly accurate on UM/ND targets.

No idea if he's an insider or anything, but doesn't sound like everyone think's it's just a matter of time until he's a Wolverine.

 

[Irish#1]

I tend to give the least value of all information to direct quotes in response to difficult questions. Too many examples to list.



Well, see I don't know. It's more a contrast of styles than a contrast in effort, but the other style takes more "effort." There is a stark contrast in how BK recruits relative to Franklin/Mora/Meyer/Hoke. When BK first took the job, I think he recruited with far more "sell" and "push." He doesn't do that anymore, because the players he got from it tended to have a bad attitude... I think now he recruits a lot more like Harbaugh/Shaw.

Look at the feeding frenzy over California QBs this year. Then look at how Josh Rosen desperately wanted a Stanford offer. And then look at how Shaw had the balls to be like "nah, not right attitude." That's a bonafide 5-star talent Shaw just flat passed on.

I think BK isn't to that level, but he's gotten to the point of legitimately not wanting even top talents if they're a poor fit for ND. That doesn't mean he won't still fall into some... as great as the general makeup of the '13 and '14 classes were there were still a couple bad apples in the bunch. But in general, I do believe his general approach to recruiting is closer to Shaw than a Mora these days, and that can hypothetically lead to getting "out sold" or "out worked." I don't think that's a huge indictment of the staff, just a reality of this type of approach. And I'm fine with that as long as we:
1. Still get ours.
2. Put a winning product on the field.

I see where you're coming from. I think it might be more of just not going after that many who may be a poor fit as opposed to not pushing harder for them. I wouldn't be surprised if BK has some analytics that list past and present recruits broken down by categories, where they were from, academic status, attitude, etc. and who they landed versus who they didn't. Gauges the kid against the results and says yes or no.

 

[Fbolt]

I can see where peeps believe that BK and staff don't give max effort for recruits. After all, why would they want to work hard to have the best talent level? That's puts them in the drivers seat to possibly win all their games, secure larger contracts for themselves and win financial security for their family-not to mention the immortality of winning Natty's for the most prestigious U on the planet. Yep, a bunch of slackers.


Wake up people!

 

[johnnycando]

In strong Latin accent:

Anna needs to Asmar questions.

 

[stlnd01]

I can see where peeps believe that BK and staff don't give max effort for recruits. After all, why would they want to work hard to have the best talent level? That's puts them in the drivers seat to possibly win all their games, secure larger contracts for themselves and win financial security for their family-not to mention the immortality of winning Natty's for the most prestigious U on the planet. Yep, a bunch of slackers.


Wake up people!

Nah. It's because Kelly already has a job sewn up to coach the Kansas City Chiefs in 2015. So what does he care about recruiting?

 

[Xander]

I tend to give the least value of all information to direct quotes in response to difficult questions. Too many examples to list.

This all day long. Although it does make me feel better that the Mgoblog guy cb'd him to ND.

 

[Grahambo]

At the end of the day, we are not privy to what Bilal and his family speak about behind closed doors. Everything is lip service, which is fine, because frankly, what they discuss is nobody's business. Especially all these recruiting services that won't leave them alone. Most quotes are generic and people pleasing as to do just that, appease the different masses.

 

[TheChosen1]

Asmar Bilal To Decide Between Michigan & Notre Dame

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[Irish YJ]

I like reading the he's a "good student" part. Thinks UM has good academics,,,, ughhhh.
We just need to beat the crap out of UM.....

 

[GoldenDomer]

Asmar Bilal To Decide Between Michigan & Notre Dame

Free

Hell yes.

 

[GBdomer]

I might of read it wrong or misunderstood him but Bilal might be announcing next Friday.

 

[IrishLax]

I might of read it wrong or misunderstood him but Bilal might be announcing next Friday.

Where does it say that?

If so, sucks to be us.

 

[GBdomer]

Lorenzo

 

[Luckylucci]

Care to elaborate on what was really said?

 

[GBdomer]

Wolverine247 VIP Chat: 8/13

I can't tell if he is talking about McMillion or Bilal

 

[Big23Head]

I'd guess McMillon. He is announcing a week from Friday

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>My Commitment Day August 22nd Whitehaven High School At 1 Pm. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Michigan?src=hash">#Michigan</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Bama?src=hash">#Bama</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Auburn?src=hash">#Auburn</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/OleMiss?src=hash">#OleMiss</a></p>— Joshua McMillon (@Joshua_McMillon) <a href="https://twitter.com/Joshua_McMillon/statuses/497723513307156480">August 8, 2014</a></blockquote>
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[clashmore_mike]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p>Top247 LB & <a href="https://twitter.com/ArmyAllAmerican">@ArmyAllAmerican</a> Asmar Bilal talks about what could be the difference between <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Michigan?src=hash">#Michigan</a> & <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/NotreDame?src=hash">#NotreDame</a>: <a href="http://t.co/b0Dp5FOLCg">http://t.co/b0Dp5FOLCg</a></p>— Steve Wiltfong (@SWiltfong247) <a href="https://twitter.com/SWiltfong247/statuses/501135319098343425">August 17, 2014</a></blockquote>
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[PANDFAN]

Asmar Bilal trending towards Michigan?

Four-star 2015 linebacker Asmar Bilal (Indianapolis, IN) should be deciding between Michigan and Notre Dame soon, but in the wake of recent events, it appears he may be trending the way of the Wolverines.

Over the weekend, news came out that the Fighting Irish may be caught up in an academic dishonesty scandal that could potentially rock the football program to its very core. This certainly could affect the status of head coach Brian Kelly and more going forward.

It is not certain how exactly this could impact Bilal's decision, but it certainly is not a good look for the program and it creates a scenario where Michigan should be able to swoop in and take charge of his recruitment.

Bilal did want to decide before his senior year, but it looks like he is just going to wait until it feels right to pull the trigger. He spoke with 247's Steve Wiltfong over the weekend to update the recruiting process. ($)

While he says that he is still torn between the Wolverines and Irish, the 247 Crystal Ball predictions took a big swing in the direction of Michigan in the last few days. 79 percent of the predictions now have Bilal headed to Ann Arbor.

I have felt pretty comfortable saying that Michigan looks like a likely landing spot for him for awhile, and the news of this scandal over the weekend solidifies that.

Monday Michigan Recruiting Roundup: Asmar Bilal Trending to the Wolverines? - Maize n Brew

 

[Veritate Duce Progredi]

What a damn shame that would be and a waste of talent.

 

[Bogtrotter07]

Correct me if I am wrong, but that is Michigan saying he is trending toward Michigan with the ND "scandal," isn't it?