'15 TX WR Jalen Guyton (Notre Dame Signed NLI)

[koonja]

Sway

I must have been much drunker than I thought. Stomach still hurt today, lol. Hope you had fun at the wedding! Quite the bender of a weekend for you. Now make Bill sign up for IE. Get him away from the dark side.

 

[BeauBenken]

I can see the will fuller I don't see much of Hunter. Beau any reason you compare him to Rhema?

I don't see Rhema. That is a TP edit/addition to my article.

 

[stlnd01]

Did he ever get a Texas offer? If he blows up, got to watch they don't try to come in late like with Kolin Hill.

 

[gkIrish]

I must have been much drunker than I thought. Stomach still hurt today, lol. Hope you had fun at the wedding! Quite the bender of a weekend for you. Now make Bill sign up for IE. Get him away from the dark side.

I think if you set the the over/under at 48.5 drinks the last 3 days for me I would take the over.

 

[koonja]

I think if you set the the over/under at 48.5 drinks the last 3 days for me I would take the over.

Lol, I bet. Friday night was fun. The best part was Bill getting down with his bad self at the end of the night.

Back to Guyton, I see he's a 86/87 rating, not 85. I still think he's underrated. I give him a kuehnja-composite of 90. Comparison to come. Stay tuned.

 

[Luckylucci]

I think he looks really good and some solid offers from ND, Baylor, Clemson, OSU, Oklahoma, Ole Miss, Stanford, and Texas AM.

He looks really fast to me. Not a big WR, but probably perfect for the slot. Only thing I don't like is he looks pretty bad at running routes. For instance, check out his out routes on the film. Good coaching will help with that though.

Good pick up! Much better than the ~ 85 rating IMO.

I tried to send you a PM but it wasn't working. I agree. Keep up some of the observations, just don't get carried away.

 

[koonja]

I tried to send you a PM but it wasn't working. I agree. Keep up some of the observations, just don't get carried away.

You spoke too soon.

Desean Jackson.

In all seriousness, how's this guy not a slot prospect? Seems like he'd be a good fit and he's already experienced at running the tunnel screen.

 

[Luckylucci]

You spoke too soon.

Desean Jackson.

In all seriousness, how's this guy not a slot prospect? Seems like he'd be a good fit and he's already experienced at running the tunnel screen.

Personal opinion and this hasn't been validated by anybody but I see him as an X. He could be outside/inside, basically moved around. I think we're looking for a specific Z WR this class. Think Newsome or someone like that as we have a long shot at him. Then a W WR think Boykin/ESB/Strickland.

 

[ryno 24]

I agree with your opinion and I think they feel much better about ESB or strictland at W and at the Z but I would have personally rather had Hill or Ofodile. I think he will be a very solid player for us though

 

[IrishLax]

Personal opinion and this hasn't been validated by anybody but I see him as an X. He could be outside/inside, basically moved around. I think we're looking for a specific Z WR this class. Think Newsome or someone like that as we have a long shot at him. Then a W WR think Boykin/ESB/Strickland.

Really think Boykin is basically in his own category. He's effectively Devin Funchess in HS (except maybe more athletic). I don't think he's a true "WR" recruit. I think we'll take 4 guys including Boykin at "WR" if Boykin is one. Or to put it another way I think we take up to 5 guys at WR/TE if Boykin is one. I do wonder what happens if he continues to string it out.

 

[arrowryan]

-He was on an emotional high during the visit and wanted to commit during his visit. Decided to wait and see if that emotional high would go away. He hasn't lost any feelings since his visit and decided to commit.

-Parents were all for him committing to Notre Dame because of life after football.

-Jalen also talked to one of his coaches that was familiar with the recruiting process. His coach wanted to make sure he was 100% committed even if another offered because he's not big on decommittments. Jalen told his coach he was all in.

-He called Coach Cooks the good news and will talk to Coach Kelly in the next couple days. He will be at the Blue-Gold game

per Scout

 

[Goldedommer44]

I'll be honest this is a very nice early pick up, BUT with a small amount of Scholarships to give out this cycle I expected us to focus on the best of the best early and then if we didn't get some of them move to lower ranked players.

 

[IrishLax]

I'll be honest this is a very nice early pick up, BUT with a small amount of Scholarships to give out this cycle I expected us to focus on the best of the best early and then if we didn't get some of them move to lower ranked players.

I expect us to go at least 5 above the projected number. Don't think class will be nearly as small as most think.

 

[yankeeND]

I expect us to go at least 5 above the projected number. Don't think class will be nearly as small as most think.

I agree. Anymore it's just a matter of who is remaining, and who wants to come aboard at the end. It's just unfortunate that over the last few years we didn't win the battles. Kelly is on the verge though, of making this thing really go so I expect Signing Day will be more like when EV chose us rather than goose egging on that day. If we could only get them to stick, then we'd be cooking.

 

[texbender]

His high school is the premier school in TX right now, suburb of Dallas. Class is loaded with talent, nice to see ND open that door there.

 

[GBdomer]

Solid pick up. I'm being greedy saying we need some game changers at WR this cycle but he's a solid addition to what I expect to be a good WR class.

I've been saying this for six years. The last elite WR we landed.

 

[TheTurningPoint]

Cant put a price on what he means for Notre Dame as a whole reguardless of what you think of talent. Getting a player from a school like Allen is huge and players notice across the state.

As far as Guyton, I think he is a huge pickup. Beau put in his article that he plays like Hunter/Fuller. I dont think he has that kind of quickness, and plays like a bigger receiver more than guys his size. The greatest thing he does is he knows how to get depth in his route and get the db off balance on his deep routes. He uses his body like Rhema to get separation and has deceptive athleticism. Rhema wasnt the fastest, biggest or best route runner but he knew how to get the db off balance. Both players are blazers, but find themselves behind the defense.

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[rtrn2glory]

like this kid, but it's hard for me to get REALLY stoked about him with the other targets still on board.

i'm a jerk, but i really would love to land Strickland!!

 

[ryno 24]

different category for strickland. its between him and ESB really

 

[Cpnd1]

I really like this pickup...excellent offer list, comes from one of the top highschools in TX, and seemed like he truly enjoyed ND on his visit. Welcome Jalen!

 

[NDWorld247]

Cant put a price on what he means for Notre Dame as a whole reguardless of what you think of talent. Getting a player from a school like Allen is huge and players notice across the state.

As far as Guyton, I think he is a huge pickup. Beau put in his article that he plays like Hunter/Fuller. I dont think he has that kind of quickness, and plays like a bigger receiver more than guys his size. The greatest thing he does is he knows how to get depth in his route and get the db off balance on his deep routes. He uses his body like Rhema to get separation and has deceptive athleticism. Rhema wasnt the fastest, biggest or best route runner but he knew how to get the db off balance. Both players are blazers, but find themselves behind the defense.

The bolded is a really good point. It doesn't get much better than Allen HS (in Texas or nationally). That's exactly the type of program we want players from.

I only watched about half of his highlight, but he seems to be an above average route runner. Really advanced for his age. Fuller is a good comparison, and if he's anything like Fuller, he could be a stud.

 

[IrishLax]

My one reservation is that he is from Allen... plays with a top QB... has tons of exposure... and is still rated where he is. He's basically a consensus low 3 player despite the offers/exposure/production. Makes you wonder if there's something we're missing in a highlight tape.

Alright, I'll take the tinfoil hat off now.

 

[koonja]

The bolded is a really good point. It doesn't get much better than Allen HS (in Texas or nationally). That's exactly the type of program we want players from.

I only watched about half of his highlight, but he seems to be an above average route runner. Really advanced for his age. Fuller is a good comparison, and if he's anything like Fuller, he could be a stud.

Really? I actually thought his routes were bad, but I think he's a great athlete and the routes will come with time.

 

[NDWorld247]

Really? I actually thought his routes were bad, but I think he's a great athlete and the routes will come with time.

I don't know. WR is not my expertise, but I liked the way he got separation and found holes in the defense. I saw a few plays where he set the DB up with a move or two and it looked like he had a good understanding of body position on his routes. I only watched a few minutes of his highlight, so I could be off base, but I was impressed and thought there was a sophistication to his route running that was beyond that of a junior in HS.

 

[DillonHall]

My one reservation is that he is from Allen... plays with a top QB... has tons of exposure... and is still rated where he is. He's basically a consensus low 3 player despite the offers/exposure/production. Makes you wonder if there's something we're missing in a highlight tape.

Alright, I'll take the tinfoil hat off now.

A rare strange post from you, Lax. Are you saying you care more about website rankings than his offer list?

 

[TheTurningPoint]

Really? I actually thought his routes were bad, but I think he's a great athlete and the routes will come with time.

He ran like 3 routes in his entire highlight video so im not sure how anyone can judge his route running. He is above average getting getting off the line, but you cant really tell much about his breaks. He is consistently behind the defense so he passes step 1.

LAX- Allen was the #2 team in the country in USA Today's national rankings, so there is more than likely a lot of talent on that team. Murray had 3248 yards in 2013 on 185 completions. Guyton had 42 catches for 1028 yards. So thats 1/3 of Murrays yards going to Guyton. For debate purposes....Josh Rosen threw for 5287 yards in 2013, and his top WR Shay Fields (4star) 82 catches for 1617yards, which is just under 1/3 of Rosens yards. St John Bosco finished 4th in the USA Today rankings. I dont think its a fair assessment to judge his rankings off lack of production.

 

[NDPhilly]

Looks like a 4.55 guy from his highlight tape IMO

 

[IrishFaninTX]

My one reservation is that he is from Allen... plays with a top QB... has tons of exposure... and is still rated where he is. He's basically a consensus low 3 player despite the offers/exposure/production. Makes you wonder if there's something we're missing in a highlight tape.

Alright, I'll take the tinfoil hat off now.

Allen is about as good as it gets in TX for HS football. He had a crazy amount of talented players around him this past season and he was only a junior. With him already having offers from a lot of great schools as a junior, I expect his rankings to rise next year as a senior when a lot of the talented seniors from last season are gone. And even if he isn't necessarily the best WR we could have gotten for that position, opening up a pipeline at Allen is huge and IMO better long-term for ND than passing on Guyton to get a slightly better WR from another school that wouldn't have the long-term benefits that recruiting at Allen will.

 

[IrishLax]

A rare strange post from you, Lax. Are you saying you care more about website rankings than his offer list?

LAX- Allen was the #2 team in the country in USA Today's national rankings, so there is more than likely a lot of talent on that team. Murray had 3248 yards in 2013 on 185 completions. Guyton had 42 catches for 1028 yards. So thats 1/3 of Murrays yards going to Guyton. For debate purposes....Josh Rosen threw for 5287 yards in 2013, and his top WR Shay Fields (4star) 82 catches for 1617yards, which is just under 1/3 of Rosens yards. St John Bosco finished 4th in the USA Today rankings. I dont think its a fair assessment to judge his rankings off lack of production.

Allen is about as good as it gets in TX for HS football. He had a crazy amount of talented players around him this past season and he was only a junior. With him already having offers from a lot of great schools as a junior, I expect his rankings to rise next year as a senior when a lot of the talented seniors from last season are gone.

Let me clarify what I'm saying a bit. I think IrishFaninTX did a good job of kind of answering what I was trying to get at.

Most kids that fly under the radar and get big rankings bumps are coming from unknown schools or otherwise didn't show out until late in their careers. Guyton, on the other hand, has about as much exposure as you can get and was productive and plays with a star QB. He also had a ton of offers, so he clearly is on the radars of many teams.

So why is he a consensus low 3 by every service? Most of the usual explanations are out, so it stands to reason that the "experts" just don't like him all that much at this point. Either the analysts don't like something in his game that we don't see in the highlights, or ... (fill in the blank here, I can't think of other explanations).

Because for the life of me, I do not understand how someone from that school with those offers and that tape is a low 3 player. He seems like he should be in the 88-92 range, unless I am completely misjudging his speed, hands, competition, and body control.

 

[TheTurningPoint]

Let me clarify what I'm saying a bit. I think IrishFaninTX did a good job of kind of answering what I was trying to get at.

Most kids that fly under the radar and get big rankings bumps are coming from unknown schools or otherwise didn't show out until late in their careers. Guyton, on the other hand, has about as much exposure as you can get and was productive and plays with a star QB. He also had a ton of offers, so he clearly is on the radars of many teams.

So why is he a consensus low 3 by every service? Most of the usual explanations are out, so it stands to reason that the "experts" just don't like him all that much at this point. Either the analysts don't like something in his game that we don't see in the highlights, or ... (fill in the blank here, I can't think of other explanations).

Because for the life of me, I do not understand how someone from that school with those offers and that tape is a low 3 player. He seems like he should be in the 88-92 range, unless I am completely misjudging his speed, hands, competition, and body control.

Its quite simple. He hasnt gone to any camps.