'14 OH DT Daniel Cage (Notre Dame Signee)

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rtrn2glory said:
Think it was time to move on for both parties. He had reached his ceiling as a coordinator and it was time to try out his career in head coaching.

hope it works out well for him and at the same time i'm very excited about our new hire. really think it will do wonders for us recruiting with the NFL pedigree on both sides of the ball now.
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Broyles Award. Yea, you really can't go any higher than that.

But would that imply that VanGorder hit his ceiling years ago at Georgia?
 
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BeauBenken said:
Broyles Award. Yea, you really can't go any higher than that.

But would that imply that VanGorder hit his ceiling years ago at Georgia?
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Perhaps.

But I think it is tough to ignore that the career trajectory of the two are vastly different.
 
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Broyles Award. Yea, you really can't go any higher than that.

But would that imply that VanGorder hit his ceiling years ago at Georgia?
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VanGorder won the Broyles twice as I remember it.

And, I think any time an assistant hits the top of his profession, the way things are set here in America he should try his hand at the next level. But I also believe that only a small percentage of the best assistants are really good head coaching material. I have nothing concrete to base this on, but I bet there are many assistants that are not as good that form a better potential talent pool for successful head coaching candidates.

My feeling is that someone that is a tip top assistant may be so because that is what he is great at. Where an overall great head coach candidate may be good at it because of his football related abilities, but may have an ego that gets in the way of being great at anything but a head coach.

Many times the years need to sort out these differences. So a great coach that is a great assistant, with experience can take over one side of the ball and run it as part of the "team" within the staff that he forms with the head coach. When a guy like Brian Kelly turns over the defense, he needs a top assistant, with plenty of depth. I think a coach like BVG with a wide range of backgrounds is a huge plus. I also don't think BVG needs to go anywhere, and has a multi-faceted view on playing defense that will grow up ND's current defensive effort. That is how I would look at it, a good beginning, now let BVG take over and grow it up.

The only thing I didn't like was the wafting of a flavor of elitism that I occasionally got a whiff of, previously. I think BVG and his attitude and personality will be a great antidote, and that alone will help in opening up recruiting more broadly, and deeper, on defense.
 
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tko said:
I think i'm more in love with BVG's stache rather than Diaco's locks and eyes. At least BVG can give mustache rides.
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just......wow.

I'm hoping BVG can bring a more exciting, aggressive style to utilize some of the athleticism we have.....it just makes for better watching than bend-don't-break to my mind. I realize the latter can be successful, but for my money, I'd really like to see some balls out blitzing schemes and defenders flying to the ball.
 
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just......wow.

I'm hoping BVG can bring a more exciting, aggressive style to utilize some of the athleticism we have.....it just makes for better watching than bend-don't-break to my mind. I realize the latter can be successful, but for my money, I'd really like to see some balls out blitzing schemes and defenders flying to the ball.
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Also fits our personnel better. I don't think we're going to have the front 3 we had in 2012 for awhile, if ever again. We're going to have to send more guys if we want to get to the QB, and from what I've read, BVG is exceptional at dialing up those plays.
 
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ResLife Hero said:
Also fits our personnel better. I don't think we're going to have the front 3 we had in 2012 for awhile, if ever again. We're going to have to send more guys if we want to get to the QB, and from what I've read, BVG is exceptional at dialing up those plays.
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yup i can see the D giving up some explosive plays but hopefully the trade off is more negative yardage plays for the opposition. I reckon the O if it gels can score at will though so I'd be happy with a blitz happy scheme
 
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tko said:
I think i'm more in love with BVG's stache rather than Diaco's locks and eyes. At least BVG can give mustache rides.
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Mustache ride OG
 
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Daniel Cage admits former DC Bob Diaco “didn’t like me.” A late push from VanGorder resulted in an ND commitment
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I just wonder how Diaco is going to adjust to recruiting at UConn. His reluctance to make do with guys who don't fit his ideal physical profile could really hurt him. He's going to have an even tougher time meeting his impossible standards there than he did at ND.

But I still can't help but wonder how much of our "Diaco didn't like you but we do" pitch was spin. We had to explain to him why he were recruiting him so late in the game in such a way that it didn't look like we were just desperate. Maybe we embellished a little. After Nix and Tuitt left and Elam turned out not to be a fit, we HAD to recruit another DL, no matter who the DC was. I don't know how certain I am that Cage wouldn't have gotten a late offer anyway. But we certainly might have recruited him earlier under BVG.
 
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I just wonder how Diaco is going to adjust to recruiting at UConn. His reluctance to make do with guys who don't fit his ideal physical profile could really hurt him. He's going to have an even tougher time meeting his impossible standards there than he did at ND.

But I still can't help but wonder how much of our "Diaco didn't like you but we do" pitch was spin. We had to explain to him why he were recruiting him so late in the game in such a way that it didn't look like we were just desperate. Maybe we embellished a little. After Nix and Tuitt left and Elam turned out not to be a fit, we HAD to recruit another DL. I don't know how certain I am that Cage wouldn't have gotten an offer anyway.
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I know he was picky but dang Diaco. He is going to have a really hard time recruiting at UConn. I hate to think of who we did not get because Diaco did not approve. Kind of makes me nauseous.
 
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There's definitely a part of me that can see Diaco being a colossal failure as a head coach.
 
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irishog77 said:
There's definitely a part of me that can see Diaco being a colossal failure as a head coach.
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He'll probably be successful by UConn standards, but if he's not, where does he go from there? If he gets fired, does he go back to being an assistant at a lower program? I guess theres a possibility he gets an offer as a position coach at Iowa.
 
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rtrn2glory said:
Think it was time to move on for both parties. He had reached his ceiling as a coordinator and it was time to try out his career in head coaching.

hope it works out well for him and at the same time i'm very excited about our new hire. really think it will do wonders for us recruiting with the NFL pedigree on both sides of the ball now.
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I disagree. I posted before, that I thought he still had a lot to learn as a DC and wasn't ready to be a HC. His lack of adjustments and implementation of a few new wrinkles against Bama is a prime example. Winning Broyles award doesn't mean you've peaked. It just means you were the best that year. Do actors quit after winning an Oscar?
 
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Irish#1 said:
I disagree. I posted before, that I thought he still had a lot to learn as a DC and wasn't ready to be a HC. His lack of adjustments and implementation of a few new wrinkles against Bama is a prime example. Winning Broyles award doesn't mean you've peaked. It just means you were the best that year. Do actors quit after winning an Oscar?
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Cuba Gooding, Jr. did.
 
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Broyles Award means squatt to me i personally. It usually goes to either the OC or DC (depending which unit was more successful statistically) of the best team. its a Mickey Mouse prize
 
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Somebody needs to help Daniel out a little bit...he's showing as Jonathan Bonner on the 2014 signees, at least on my computer anyways.
 
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Irish2155 said:
Somebody needs to help Daniel out a little bit...he's showing as Jonathan Bonner on the 2014 signees, at least on my computer anyways.
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Good bump, I mentioned this a bit ago. It has his info right just wrong name.
 
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“@MikeDyer: #UC offered Winton Woods 2017 DL Jerron Cage (6-2, 265) says Winton Woods coach Andre Parker. Younger brother of 2014 DL Daniel Cage”

Very early offer for his little brother
 
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STLDomer said:
“@MikeDyer: #UC offered Winton Woods 2017 DL Jerron Cage (6-2, 265) says Winton Woods coach Andre Parker. Younger brother of 2014 DL Daniel Cage”

Very early offer for his little brother
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Also very big for still being a freshman
 
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