'14 FL WR Isaiah McKenzie ( Georgia ¯\_(ツ)_/¯)

[pkt77242]

So in 2012 Riddick avg. 99 yds/game (rushing and rec.)
in 2013 for the 8 games Thomas played in he avg. 93/game.

Oregon undoubtedly has a great offense but to think that Kelly can't isolate guys and put them in positions to have a lot of success is just not accurate. When we have a singular player that deserves the touches Kelly does a fantastic job of getting them the ball in positions to be successful. Floyd, Eifert, Riddick, and TJ Jones this year. He had 11 total tds and almost 1200 yds of total offense. Excluding punts.

I don't think that you can compare Riddick and Thomas. They are two completely different style of players. Thomas would never have held up to the touches that Riddick got. IM probably is more of a Thomas type of player not a Riddick in that he can't be an every down running back. While I agree that Kelly can get touches to his best players, our offense isn't currently built to handle the small but electrifying players like Thomas or IM. Could that change possibly but you can't know for sure till we get one, while Oregon has a proven record of using the smaller athletic players.

 

[Cackalacky]

He is not comparing the players so much as their productivity on the field. Thats fair, no?

 

[pkt77242]

He is not comparing the players so much as their productivity on the field. Thats fair, no?

Not really. They play vey different positions. As NDaccountant pointed out look at their YPT. Riddick was our starting RB and played a very different position from what IM will play. Thomas is more a jack of all trades which is similar to what IM would be. Comparing yards per game is not the same since they play two very different roles. Of course Riddick had more yards per game, he had twice the touches that Thomas did (yes Thomas played more games but still he average more touches per game. 17.4 for Riddick and 13.1 for Thomas.

 

[Luckylucci]

He is not comparing the players so much as their productivity on the field. Thats fair, no?

Correct, this has nothing to do with player comparison. It has to do with has ND proven it will put him in a similar position to be successful and ND has done that just as well as Oregon. We have built our offense at different times around TE's, WR's, and RB's. Kelly's done a good job of using talent when are where we have it at.

 

[ND NYC]

how does oregon do recruiting florida players?
have they had much success?

 

[connect the dots]

how does oregon do recruiting florida players?
have they had much success?

Oregon mines their gold out West, in particular, California. It's obvious why a scatback would show interest in their program, and at least, give them a look.

 

[Cackalacky]

Not really. They play vey different positions. As NDaccountant pointed out look at their YPT. Riddick was our starting RB and played a very different position from what IM will play. Thomas is more a jack of all trades which is similar to what IM would be. Comparing yards per game is not the same since they play two very different roles. Of course Riddick had more yards per game, he had twice the touches that Thomas did (yes Thomas played more games but still he average more touches per game. 17.4 for Riddick and 13.1 for Thomas.

In the end it is all about putting the players in the best position to move the sticks. So overall game production I think is a better comparison for skill players. As LL has said, BK will fit a player in the system and get him the ball. If IM comes here and can play, he will get the ball.

 

[Jebediah Springfield]

Without a doubt Oregon has a better pitch in how they would use IM.

A highlight tape of Riddick vs any number of recent Oregon backs would show that.

 

[Me2SouthBend]

in fairness oregon probably use him way better than ND will ever do

This. And he probably knows that, too. What they're telling him is with DAT leaving he can step in immediately and play his role. This sure is an interesting situation for both parties on so many levels.

DAT was injured a couple of games and then in the doghouse for his subpar pass blocking..

He missed 4 complete games and missed parts of a few others.
De'Anthony Thomas Stats, News, Videos, Pictures, Bio - Oregon Ducks - ESPN

He missed a key block against Stanford that kind of took away alot of his snaps afterwards, still Oregon's all time leader in All-purpose yards

Yeah, I think you're being a homer if you really think Notre Dame will use this kid better than Oregon. The proof is in the pudding.

So in 2012 Riddick avg. 99 yds/game (rushing and rec.)
in 2013 for the 8 games Thomas played in he avg. 93/game.

Oregon undoubtedly has a great offense but to think that Kelly can't isolate guys and put them in positions to have a lot of success is just not accurate. When we have a singular player that deserves the touches Kelly does a fantastic job of getting them the ball in positions to be successful. Floyd, Eifert, Riddick, and TJ Jones this year. He had 11 total tds and almost 1200 yds of total offense. Excluding punts.

Ok, so let's not let the facts (Riddicks numbers v Thomas numbers) get in the way of a good argument. If part of the problem was that Thomas didn't properly pass block, and thus was pulled you would expect the same standard to be held for IM were he to choose Oregon. We know that Kelly isn't afraid to sit a back for poor performance (see A Carlisle this year when he fumbled and or dropped an easy pass catch). Bottom line, there is no guarantee that he'll see more playing time because he may be better at blocking and as a result be more likely to get touches. You might also argue that Riddick was developed and utilized better when compared to Thomas as he likely represented a larger % of the total offense (yards/game played). Thomas was almost certainly higher ranked as a recruit and was expected to produce more per game than Theo.and I do realize we are talking about 1 year but it is a valid comparison. One might also argue that Theo did it against better competition.
On the off field issue, to think that he's known what the educational requirements and expectations are and how hard he's worked to achieve them and to think he would turn down the opportunity if it indeed is realized because he might be better utilizied is a stretch. If he qualifies, he's ND. Bank on it.

 

[Ndaccountant]

In the end it is all about putting the players in the best position to move the sticks. So overall game production I think is a better comparison for skill players. As LL has said, BK will fit a player in the system and get him the ball. If IM comes here and can play, he will get the ball.

I still think it is completely apples and oranges.

Oregon could pitch explosive, highlight reel plays that will grab everyone's attention. While ND could say we will get you the ball way more than what you would get at Oregon.

When push comes to shove, both pitches would be accurate but all that matters is getting to the league. Quite honestly, James and Barner have been meh at best in the NFL while AA and Theo haven't done much either. So in the end, I would really say it is a wash.

 

[Cackalacky]

I still think it is completely apples and oranges.

Oregon could pitch explosive, highlight reel plays that will grab everyone's attention. While ND could say we will get you the ball way more than what you would get at Oregon.

When push comes to shove, both pitches would be accurate but all that matters is getting to the league. Quite honestly, James and Barner have been meh at best in the NFL while AA and Theo haven't bone much either. So in the end, I would really say it is a wash.

I was looking at it from a coaching perspective, not a recruiting pitch. I am not even worried about the NFL lol. I just want someone to come in and light it up.

 

[GBdomer]

I remember ripping loy when he said McKenzie couldn't commit to ND earlier this fall. Well he was right, even though I don't always agree with his stuff he was right about this one.

 

[ACamp1900]

I remember ripping loy when he said McKenzie couldn't commit to ND earlier this fall. Well he was right, even though I don't always agree with his stuff he was right about this one.

You should hit him up… I’m sure he’s just been waiting to hear this…

 

[NDohio]

BK can just show IM tape of Mardy Gilyard at UC. That's how IM could be used at ND.

 

[EuropeanDomer]

Oregon mines their gold out West, in particular, California. It's obvious why a scatback would show interest in their program, and at least, give them a look.

Tacoi Sumler from Miami, a slot receiver too, he commited to Oregon and then he transferred to Appalachian State to play closer to home.

 

[irishog77]

Tacoi Sumler from Miami, a slot receiver too, he commited to Oregon and then he transferred to Appalachian State to play closer to home.

Makes sense-- Boone, N.C. to Miami, FL is only 820 miles away.

 

[connect the dots]

Makes sense-- Boone, N.C. to Miami, FL is only 820 miles away.

I might take a train, or I might take a plane, or, if I have dependable tires and gas money, my car may do the same! Longitude and latitude are rather difficult geographical concepts.

 

[GreenSox04]

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Edit: whiff

 

[stlnd01]

how does oregon do recruiting florida players?
have they had much success?

They have one guy from Florida on their current roster. It depends on the kid, but Eugene's a long way from Miami, and not just in miles. Now, so's Notre Dame, but at least we have other guys from down that way.

 

[Luckylucci]

II has an update saying that according to sources at American heritage Mckenzie has made the grade. They are unsure if that is for NCAA standards or ND standards. Either way ND is impressed with his effort.

 

[stlnd01]

II has an update saying that according to sources at American heritage Mckenzie has made the grade. They are unsure if that is for NCAA standards or ND standards. Either way ND is impressed with his effort.

Good news.
Is Alford leading his recruitment? Because this has Alford written all over it. Love that guy.

 

[CanadalovesND]

II has an update saying that according to sources at American heritage Mckenzie has made the grade. They are unsure if that is for NCAA standards or ND standards. Either way ND is impressed with his effort.

That's right, it's snoopy bitch.

 

[greyhammer90]

II has an update saying that according to sources at American heritage Mckenzie has made the grade. They are unsure if that is for NCAA standards or ND standards. Either way ND is impressed with his effort.

I honestly don't even care if he ends up here, I just want him to get a degree somewhere.

 

[NDdomer2]

so before i even say this i am in no way implying this happened.

i have been thinking about how with the public nature of recruiting and availability to information everyone knows this kid has a grade issue. suddenly the school has "sources" informing recruiting sites grades are no longer an issue just a couple weeks after everyone was pretty much saying this had less than 5% chance of working out.

how often does the university do it's homework on how athlete suddenly has the grades and just takes him? risky now with info access mentioned above.

matched with an surge of schools who could care less about due diligence I'm not so sure if this is a situation where ND has backed out in past.

just random thoughts i spose but happens every year somewhere id imagine.

 

[Jebediah Springfield]

so before i even say this i am in no way implying this happened.

i have been thinking about how with the public nature of recruiting and availability to information everyone knows this kid has a grade issue. suddenly the school has "sources" informing recruiting sites grades are no longer an issue just a couple weeks after everyone was pretty much saying this had less than 5% chance of working out.

how often does the university do it's homework on how athlete suddenly has the grades and just takes him? risky now with info access mentioned above.

matched with an surge of schools who could care less about due diligence I'm not so sure if this is a situation where ND has backed out in past.

just random thoughts i spose but happens every year somewhere id imagine.

Or maybe his grades from fall semester were posted and he passed his classes...

My money is on his FB coach being the source at the school

 

[BeauBenken]

II has an update saying that according to sources at American heritage Mckenzie has made the grade. They are unsure if that is for NCAA standards or ND standards. Either way ND is impressed with his effort.

Making NCAA standards is good enough for the coaches. The question is whether they can convince admissions.

 

[Ironman8]

Making NCAA standards is good enough for the coaches. The question is whether they can convince admissions.

They will have to pitch hard, citing his improvement, hard work, etc while selling the fact that they believe he would put in the work at ND. Definitely no guarantee. Hold on to your butts.

 

[irishff1014]

Good to see him put in this hard work. I hope that he has done enough we can accept him in this class. I also hope that if he does get accepted that he keeps up this hard work.

 

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

Hopefully his hard work will pay off and he can go to whichever school he wants, whether it's ND or Florida or Oregon or somewhere else.

 

[STLDomer]

II has an update saying that according to sources at American heritage Mckenzie has made the grade. They are unsure if that is for NCAA standards or ND standards. Either way ND is impressed with his effort.