Johnny Football

[irish1958]

IRS tax records are secret. How many people saw Mit Romney's tax record in the last election? It is much easier to get top secret info from the DOD.

 

[Irish Houstonian]

IRS tax records are secret. How many people saw Mit Romney's tax record in the last election? It is much easier to get top secret info from the DOD.

The point wasn't that the NCAA would see his tax returns, but rather that "constructive receipt" is very common doctrine whereby you can't avoid the consequences of income simply because you delay putting it in your bank account.

 

[Andy in Sactown]

IRS tax records are secret. How many people saw Mit Romney's tax record in the last election? It is much easier to get top secret info from the DOD.

That's just a ridiculously ignorant statement. Besides missing the point made entirely, it shows how a couple wikileaks have changed people's perceptions of information security in the military industrial complex. I assure you it isn't as easy to get as you infer. Quite the contrary.*

Source: TS/SCI clearance.

p.s. Johnny Football is a piece of ****.

*Not denigrating the difficulty of obtaining tax records, or the information security of the IRS. Merely the blase inference that so called "Top Secret" information is in some form "easy" to obtain. Which is stupid.

 

[Booslum31]

That's just a ridiculously ignorant statement. Besides missing the point made entirely, it shows how a couple wikileaks have changed people's perceptions of information security in the military. I assure you it isn't as easy to get as you infer. Quite the contrary.

Source: TS/SCI clearance.

p.s. Johnny Football is a piece of ****.

This!

 

[TDHeysus]

at this point.......along with the Reggie Bush (and currently suspended Golson) jerseys that the NCAA was selling on their website, it wouldn't surprise me to find out that there was some Manziel autographs being sold there as well.

 

[greyhammer90]

That's just a ridiculously ignorant statement. Besides missing the point made entirely, it shows how a couple wikileaks have changed people's perceptions of information security in the military industrial complex. I assure you it isn't as easy to get as you infer. Quite the contrary.*

Source: TS/SCI clearance.

p.s. Johnny Football is a piece of ****.

*Not denigrating the difficulty of obtaining tax records, or the information security of the IRS. Merely the blase inference that so called "Top Secret" information is in some form "easy" to obtain. Which is stupid.

Hence the joke.

 

[irishog77]

Hence the joke.

It's "Tough Guy" day.

 

[Ultimate Penn St. Hater]

Kirk Herbstreit: Manziel is the "dumbest player to ever play college football" if he sold his autographs | al.com

 

[T Town Tommy]

Every forum has their own "lawyers." This is from the A&M board over on SECRant.com

Some key excerpts:

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For example, NCAA investigators cannot use information from a confidential or anonymous source to support an allegation or to prove a violation occurred. Such information can only be used as the ignition point of an investigation.
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So all the ESPN sources are pretty irrelevant to the NCAA. It puts pressure on them but there's really nothing they can do with the info.

quote:

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If an eligibility issue is uncovered during the course of an investigation, it is the responsibility of the institution, rather than the NCAA, to declare an athlete ineligible. The athlete remains ineligible until undergoing the student-athlete reinstatement process, which is entirely separate from the enforcement process.

A completely separate staff decides on reinstatement, and that process can take as little as 24 hours — as was the case in December, when Auburn quarterback Cam Newton was reinstated less than a day after his school ruled him ineligible, despite an ongoing investigation into his recruitment — or it can span several weeks.
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This actually jives with something I was told but didn't want to post for fear people would freak. We may well declare Manziel ineligible next week. Lay out everything we have and drop it on the NCAA's doorstep. If the NCAA doesn't feel like it's enough, they will then reinstate him. This takes all responsibility off our hands.

He would not be able to practice during this period so that enables us to give the other QBs extra reps to determine a backup. We want him practicing til our initial investigation is complete though.

quote:

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Josephine Potuto, who served on the NCAA Division I Committee on Infractions from 2000 to 2009, said the standard of proof used in a COI hearing is “clear and convincing evidence,” much like the standard employed in civil cases tried in a court of law. This falls short of “beyond a reasonable doubt,” the standard employed in criminal cases.
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Despite the outcry, the NCAA cannot and does not punish without meeting this standard. It's actually a pretty difficult standard to meet without subpoena power in a case like this and is why cases like this are generally not pursued. It makes the NCAA look exceptionally feckless

 

[IrishLax]

Every forum has their own "lawyers." This is from the A&M board over on SECRant.com

The only thing I continue to disagree with is that the burden of proof has not been met. There is no other plausible explanation for the series of actions. There is only one logical conclusion that can be drawn from everything presented so far. Unless you start excluding reported evidence from sources and everyone in the know refuses to cooperate, there is no way to let him get away with this.

But surely that is what is going to happen and much like Cam Newton. It seems the only way to bust someone is if the violations end up in a legal deposition. Too bad Johnny didn't skip out on an autograph session and get sued...

 

[Whiskeyjack]

But surely that is what is going to happen and much like Cam Newton. It seems the only way to bust someone is if the violations end up in a legal deposition. Too bad Johnny didn't skip out on an autograph session and get sued...

Even then, the COI finds a way to screw things up. Like by paying Nevin Shapiro's attorneys to ask certain questions during his deposition. A governing body without subpoena powers is simply impotent.

 

[T Town Tommy]

The only thing I continue to disagree with is that the burden of proof has not been met. There is no other plausible explanation for the series of actions. There is only one logical conclusion that can be drawn from everything presented so far. Unless you start excluding reported evidence from sources and everyone in the know refuses to cooperate, there is no way to let him get away with this.

But surely that is what is going to happen and much like Cam Newton. It seems the only way to bust someone is if the violations end up in a legal deposition. Too bad Johnny didn't skip out on an autograph session and get sued...

IIRC the loophole on Johnny being able to claim he didn't know his buddy was taking the money was closed shortly after the Cam Newton saga. There is much more compelling evidence against JF than there was against Cam - Cecil simply admitted to shopping but never admitted to taking any money. If the NCAA requirement is simply "clear and compelling evidence" then I think they have that already or are at least very close to it. We will know if A&M sits JF just how much the NCAA really does have. Just can't see Mark Emmert letting this one go.

 

[TheChosen1]

Kid should be cut from the team for not having a brain

Kirk Herbstreit: Manziel is the "dumbest player to ever play college football" if he sold his autographs | al.com

Completely agree with Kirk

 

[irish1958]

That's just a ridiculously ignorant statement. Besides missing the point made entirely, it shows how a couple wikileaks have changed people's perceptions of information security in the military industrial complex. I assure you it isn't as easy to get as you infer. Quite the contrary.*

Source: TS/SCI clearance.

p.s. Johnny Football is a piece of ****.

*Not denigrating the difficulty of obtaining tax records, or the information security of the IRS. Merely the blase inference that so called "Top Secret" information is in some form "easy" to obtain. Which is stupid.

I guess a knowledge of hyperbole is not required in freshman composition anymore.

 

[Irish Insanity]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p>Texas Monthly put Johnny Manziel on its cover--as a superhero: <a href="http://t.co/yJzH7LrwIf">pic.twitter.com/yJzH7LrwIf</a></p>— Bruce Feldman (@BFeldmanCBS) <a href="https://twitter.com/BFeldmanCBS/statuses/367302965154955266">August 13, 2013</a></blockquote>
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[Booslum31]

That's it! I'm cancelling my subscription to Texas Monthly...wait that's right, I've never heard of it before. JM does look like a pud though.

 

[peoriairish]

Texas Monthly following the lead of Rolling Stone......

 

[ulukinatme]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p>Texas Monthly put Johnny Manziel on its cover--as a superhero: <a href="http://t.co/yJzH7LrwIf">pic.twitter.com/yJzH7LrwIf</a></p>— Bruce Feldman (@BFeldmanCBS) <a href="https://twitter.com/BFeldmanCBS/statuses/367302965154955266">August 13, 2013</a></blockquote>
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I got mine signed, I won't disclose how much I paid

I should have gotten this one signed instead:

 

[IndyIrishFan1]

I forgot that Dez Bryant was suspended for an entire year for lying to the NCAA about a dinner he had with Deion Sanders.

http://deadspin.com/dez-bryant-says-the-ncaas-johnny-manziel-problem-is-so-1138540231

 

[Cackalacky]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p>Texas Monthly put Johnny Manziel on its cover--as a superhero: <a href="http://t.co/yJzH7LrwIf">pic.twitter.com/yJzH7LrwIf</a></p>— Bruce Feldman (@BFeldmanCBS) <a href="https://twitter.com/BFeldmanCBS/statuses/367302965154955266">August 13, 2013</a></blockquote>
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He looks like that weird kid from " The Middle"

 

[ACamp1900]

This is just getting crazy... I can not remember loathing a college athlete like this since Lawrence Phillips, and i was a teenager then...

the fact that I hate him so much makes me hate him even more... because i know it shouldn't be that serious.

lol

 

[Booslum31]

This is just getting crazy... I can not remember loathing a college athlete like this since Lawrence Phillips, and i was a teenager then...

the fact that I hate him so much makes me hate him even more... because i know it shouldn't be that serious.

lol

I know what you mean...hating takes a lot of energy. Especially for sustained periods of time like this.

 

[Irish#1]

I thought I heard the brokers were not going to cooperate. if they don't cooperate, then the NCAA are left with just the video of him signing items and basically some rumors, right?

According to the guy on M&M, if they can't tie Manziel directly to the money...well...the brokers paid the manager at a minimum. Manziel could just as easily say he thought it was for charity or something that is a lie and without the evidence tying him directly to the money (like Reggie Bush's signature on the agent's credit cards from Vegas) it will be difficult to bring Manziel down.

I also don't think getting a lawyer is a bad move or implies guilt at all. Its probably fairly smart. He needs someone to speak for him and serve as protection through all of this. He has Cam Newton's law firm so they have done this before. I would get a lawyer, keep my mouth shut, let A&M, the NCAA and the lawyers figure it out and settle it before the season starts. If A&M starts the season without Manziel, then I would say they have something on him. If he plays, they don't.

The charity scenario won't work. When Steve Alford played at IU he posed for a charity calendar and didn't receive a penny, but ended up getting suspended for a game by the NCAA.

 

[T Town Tommy]

The charity scenario won't work. When Steve Alford played at IU he posed for a charity calendar and didn't receive a penny, but ended up getting suspended for a game by the NCAA.

But that was back when the NCAA was rational. Now... not so much.

 

[peoriairish]

Go away Johnny.

 

[GoldenIsThyFame]

He looks like that weird kid from " The Middle"

Ha! I love Brick.

 

[GATTACA!]

I will never be able to un see the resemblance between JF and (under my breath) "brick"

This is a problem because as much as I hate JF , I love brick.

 

[Cackalacky]

Sorry Gattaca but it is uncanny.

They both make me uncomfortable.

 

[Cackalacky]

The charity scenario won't work. When Steve Alford played at IU he posed for a charity calendar and didn't receive a penny, but ended up getting suspended for a game by the NCAA.

I did not know that. I think college kids could stand to do stuff for charities.... but that is just me.

My point was that without the money trail and hard evidence, Johnny can say what ever he wants (given it is acceptable to the NCAA and probably crafted by his lawyer).

 

[Irish#1]

But that was back when the NCAA was rational. Now... not so much.

I wouldn't call that decision by the NCAA rational. You do something for free to raise money for a charity and get suspended? Seems to me the NCAA hasn't been rational for a long time.