ND To Fiesta Say The Believers

[clashmore_mike]

Fiesta
Sugar
Orange

The order for BCS at large selection after 1 and 2 are taken.

 

[domerdude]

Is there any chance we go to the Rose as a replacement to Oregon?

 

[clashmore_mike]

Is there any chance we go to the Rose as a replacement to Oregon?

Yes. If there are no other eligible pac12 teams, Notre Dame would be at the top of their list. Oregon St, UCLA, Southern Cal are all ranked in the BCS currently and will need to lose games to fall out of the top 14 or whatever it is. Luckily they all have losable games left.

 

[yankeeND]

Getting back to the BCS is priority one but I must admit if not the NC game I am most intrigued by the Rose Bowl!

 

[GoldenIsThyFame]

ND vs Indiana in the Rose Bowl.... I can see it now.

 

[yankeeND]

ND vs Indiana in the Rose Bowl.... I can see it now.

Haha, that would be something! I don't know what it is about the other venues but man the Rose Bowl just fits ND to me.

 

[johnnykillz]

ND vs Indiana in the Rose Bowl.... I can see it now.

That would be cool as hell.

 

[BGIF]

It says it here.

BCS selection procedures

But I don't see us going to the Sugar Bowl. I expect the first at-large they will pick will be an SEC team.

I don't see us going to the Sugar Bowl either. The Sugar Bowl/SEC want a showcase win for the home boys not a marquee matchup. Their first pick will be an SEC team and their second pick will be somebody their first pick should beat. They don't want the SEC team to be the underdog.

 

[NDBoiler]

ND vs Indiana in the Rose Bowl.... I can see it now.

If I could hope for one blowout in NDs favor, this one would definitely be it, just sayin'.

 

[RDU Irish]

I don't see how an unbeaten ND is not the first team picked? Unless Bama loses, Sugar Bowl will be first one picking. Money talks and ND vs. anybody will be the premier bowl of that weekend since the Championship is a week later.

I think Bama loses to A&M this weekend so it becomes a question whether K State or Oregon end up #1 if they both win out. Oregon SOS gets a bump to finish the year so I think we end up Rose Bowl bound, which sucks because the Big Ten opponent will be weak sauce relative to other options. I don't care about the venue, I want a higher quality opponent if we are not in the Championship.

 

[hack15]

I would love to see ND in the Rose Bowl!!! Watching the band march in the parade and then going to the game would be the perfect New Years Day!!!

 

[phork]

Bowl Tie ins are required to select their conferences champion unless the champion is in the NCG. In that regard the spot vacated by a NCG Team would then be first selection. As in this year. If everything pans out it will be Alabama vs Oregon. Sugar would have first selection and would probably take Florida if they win out. The Rose would probably do the Pac12vsBig10 traditional matchup. All the atlarge bids would go to teams qualifying for the BCS that the BCS Bowl Games feel would put more fans in the seats, see last year UM vs VT.

Unless we lose the next 3 weeks, we are a shoe in for a BCS game. At this point if you are top6 you are a lock, UNLESS your conference already has 2 teams qualified. For the SEC that means Bama is in with Florida and LSU, Georgia and SC are out. (If things ended today).

Outside of the top6, the top14 will make up the next batch of possible BCS opponents. FloridaSt or Miami as ACC champ, Lousiville as BigEast champ, Oklahoma to finish the Big12 contingent. OregonSt, UCLA are still in the mix for Pac12 second BCS slot.

Again keep in mind bowl selection is not based on how you finish in the conference, but by choice of the bowl games.

For instance, Capital One: Georgia (SEC No. 2) vs. Michigan (Big Ten No. 2)

It is the Capital One Bowl, it will host the SEC #2 choice and the BIG10s #2 choice. Note that Michigan would actually be 3rd or 4th in actual combined conference standings, but they travel well and ultimately bowl games are about money, and nothing else.

 

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

If we win out and Oregon does as well, I could see us being in the Rose Bowl to replace Oregon. Oregon State will fall with 2 losses, Stanford, UCLA & USC will have more than 2. Stanford beating Oregon State next week would help a lot.

 

[Domina Nostra]

I think the ideal would be he Sugar Bowl against Florida or Georgia. But I'd give about a 90% chance we end up in the Fiesta Bowl- no one passes over the marketing machine that is ND without very good cause. Those causes could be the NC (9%) or losing one of the next two and losing to USC so we look like a stretch at #14 (1%).

 

[Kaneyoufeelit]

I think the ideal would be he Sugar Bowl against Florida or Georgia. But I'd give about a 90% chance we end up in the Fiesta Bowl- no one passes over the marketing machine that is ND without very good cause. Those causes could be the NC (9%) or losing one of the next two and losing to USC so we look like a stretch at #14 (1%).

Not to mention the Fiesta Bowl could market K State vs ND as a quasi-NC game if they are both undefeated. Oh my, could you imagine if undefeated ND and undefeated K State didn't play, both won, and we had 3 undefeated teams with BCS bowl wins

 

[irishog77]

I think y'all are drunk if you'd really like to see ND in the Rose Bowl against Indiana, Nebraska, Wisconsin, Michigan, or really, any other big ten team. I mean the Rose Bowl itself would be cool, but not to see ND matched up against some terribly mediocre, slow big ten team.

OU looks like a good candidate to make a BCS game (particularly if K-State makes the Natty), which any other year I'd be excited about a match up with them. Florida State looks like a good candidate as well. And normally, I'd be excited about the potential to play them in the Orange Bowl. But ND played them in a bowl last year. Louisville? No, not really. So, for ND this year, it's almost looking like Natty game or bust, or versus an SEC team in the BCS or bust (as far as what it's looking like). Well, I will say a 1-loss KSU team in the Fiesta would be marginally intriguing. If I had to choose if it's not for the title or against an SEC team, then I guess I'd reluctantly say FSU in the Orange.

 

[BGIF]

I don't see how an unbeaten ND is not the first team picked? Unless Bama loses, Sugar Bowl will be first one picking. Money talks and ND vs. anybody will be the premier bowl of that weekend since the Championship is a week later.
I think Bama loses to A&M this weekend so it becomes a question whether K State or Oregon end up #1 if they both win out. Oregon SOS gets a bump to finish the year so I think we end up Rose Bowl bound, which sucks because the Big Ten opponent will be weak sauce relative to other options. I don't care about the venue, I want a higher quality opponent if we are not in the Championship.

You apparently haven't had much exposure to the SEC. When ND signed the NBC contract a lot of SEC area NBC affiliates refused to carry ND games. An independent station in Birmingham WTTO picked it up and used the marketing slogan, "Tune in to WTTO and watch Notre Dame, the team Alabamians love to hate".

Notre Dame cost Alabama NC's 4 times in the past 50 years.

1966 Pick up a copy of "The Missing Ring" where "ND and the media stole a championship".

1973 Sugar Bowl
1975 Orange Bowl
1978 Cotton Bowl

The BCS was set up to thwart ND of a shot at the National Title by playing the highest ranked opponent available. It was no coincidence that the Commissioner of the SEC Roy Kramer became the first BCS Czar. It was no accident that Kramer lead the SEC to a post season Championship Game to block out independents in the last season poll. And forged bowl ties to conferences to ice out the independents.

Were you around for the venom Spurrier spewed before the '92 Sugar Bowl?

Bowls were set up originally to boost the local economy by creating a demand for offseason hotels. They used a local team as the basis for attendance. Bowls existed long before TV.

The Sugar Bowl's allegiance is to the SEC. They know where their bread is buttered. Notre Dame isn't the bread, butter, or the knife. Last week one of the sports venues interviewed officials from the major bowls. The Fiesta wet their pants in excitement over ND. The Orange Bowl liked the prospect. The Rose noted their long time affliation with the PAC whatever and the Big Number, then added, of course ND has a history dating with the Rose Bowl dating back to 1925 ... The Sugar Bowl spoke about the SEC.

If ND was available for the Sugar's second pick they would consider them but they'd much rather have a team like Louisville, Rutgers, or somebody else the SEC's #2 team could lay a whippin' on. They'll sell the place out regardless of opponent. ND would get more TV sets turned on but not enough to risk the ire of the SEC base.

 

[IrishSteelhead]

This is the perfect year to "prove it." No way in hell I wanna see ND play a B1G team in the Rose Bowl. Bring on SEC in Sugar, or K-State in Fiesta.

 

[woolybug25]

This is the perfect year to "prove it." No way in hell I wanna see ND play a B1G team in the Rose Bowl. Bring on SEC in Sugar, or K-State in Fiesta.

I still think that if we go undefeated, fate will put us in the big game.

That being said, if we had to settle for a BCS game, I am totally with you. Right now, the likely BIG winner is between Nebraska, Wiso or [/gasp] Indiana.

Can you imagine the crap the haters would say if we pulled IU in the Rose Bowl?

Eff that.

Bring on KSU or Georgia.

 

[ickythump1225]

I still think that if we go undefeated, fate will put us in the big game.

That being said, if we had to settle for a BCS game, I am totally with you. Right now, the likely BIG winner is between Nebraska, Wiso or [/gasp] Indiana.

Can you imagine the crap the haters would say if we pulled IU in the Rose Bowl?

Eff that.

Bring on KSU or Georgia.

Oh I want Georgia so bad. To shut up all the annoying Georgia fans at work would be priceless. I mean they beat Ole Miss at home and you would think they won the NC.

 

[stlnd01]

If the Fiesta gets KSU as Big 12 champ and gets first pick of the at-larges, it's hard to see how they don't grab us. Even if we lose one we're a better option for them than any other at-large candidate at this point. (Oklahoma? La Tech? One of the SEC also-rans?)

Otherwise it'd be great to play Florida, Georgia or LSU in the Sugar. I'd probably rather play them anyway (Chance to knock out a big bad SEC team. Plus I still have bad memories of the unmentionable tortilla chip bowl of 2000). As for perceived SEC/Sugar Bowl bias against us, we did wind up there in '06 against the #2 team in the SEC. They seemed glad to take our money then. What's changed?

 

[phork]

If the Fiesta gets KSU as Big 12 champ and gets first pick of the at-larges, it's hard to see how they don't grab us. Even if we lose one we're a better option for them than any other at-large candidate at this point. (Oklahoma? La Tech? One of the SEC also-rans?)

Otherwise it'd be great to play Florida, Georgia or LSU in the Sugar. I'd probably rather play them anyway (Chance to knock out a big bad SEC team. Plus I still have bad memories of the unmentionable tortilla chip bowl of 2000). As for perceived SEC/Sugar Bowl bias against us, we did wind up there in '06 against the #2 team in the SEC. They seemed glad to take our money then. What's changed?

Probably be Fiesta, but a small chance Rose lands us.

 

[dublinirish]

playing a Big Ten team in the Rose Bowl would be so ..meh though. whats the best possible opponent? Wisconsin? :/

 

[Rack Em]

ND vs Indiana in the Rose Bowl.... I can see it now.

"The grandaddy of them all, the Rose Bowl"...I can hear Brent Musburger now.

 

[GoldenIsThyFame]

I think the ideal would be he Sugar Bowl against Florida or Georgia. But I'd give about a 90% chance we end up in the Fiesta Bowl- no one passes over the marketing machine that is ND without very good cause. Those causes could be the NC (9%) or losing one of the next two and losing to USC so we look like a stretch at #14 (1%).

Just watch, when Bama beats UGA in the SEC title game Florida will be the other SEC team in a BCS Bowl (Sugar). It is going to be just like last year when Michigan went to a BCS game and Michigan State didn't because they lost in the B1G title game to Wisconsin. Really stupid how that works.

 

[stlnd01]

Just watch, when Bama beats UGA in the SEC title game Florida will be the other SEC team in a BCS Bowl (Sugar). It is going to be just like last year when Michigan went to a BCS game and Michigan State didn't because they lost in the B1G title game to Wisconsin. Really stupid how that works.

Frankly, unlike Michigan last year, Florida probably deserves it more than Georgia.
Especially if 'Bama rolls Georgia. Yes, Florida lost head-to-head, but they will have beaten LSU, S. Carolina and Florida State. Florida is the only decent team Georgia has beaten, and it took six turnovers.

 

[arrowryan]

Frankly, unlike Michigan last year, Florida probably deserves it more than Georgia.
Especially if 'Bama rolls Georgia. Yes, Florida lost head-to-head, but they will have beaten LSU, S. Carolina and Florida State. Florida is the only decent team Georgia has beaten, and it took six turnovers.

Ok but you want the best teams in the BCS games. So who is better, Florida or Georgia? The answer is Georgia

 

[RDU Irish]

You apparently haven't had much exposure to the SEC. When ND signed the NBC contract a lot of SEC area NBC affiliates refused to carry ND games. An independent station in Birmingham WTTO picked it up and used the marketing slogan, "Tune in to WTTO and watch Notre Dame, the team Alabamians love to hate".

Notre Dame cost Alabama NC's 4 times in the past 50 years.

1966 Pick up a copy of "The Missing Ring" where "ND and the media stole a championship".

1973 Sugar Bowl
1975 Orange Bowl
1978 Cotton Bowl

The BCS was set up to thwart ND of a shot at the National Title by playing the highest ranked opponent available. It was no coincidence that the Commissioner of the SEC Roy Kramer became the first BCS Czar. It was no accident that Kramer lead the SEC to a post season Championship Game to block out independents in the last season poll. And forged bowl ties to conferences to ice out the independents.

Were you around for the venom Spurrier spewed before the '92 Sugar Bowl?

Bowls were set up originally to boost the local economy by creating a demand for offseason hotels. They used a local team as the basis for attendance. Bowls existed long before TV.

The Sugar Bowl's allegiance is to the SEC. They know where their bread is buttered. Notre Dame isn't the bread, butter, or the knife. Last week one of the sports venues interviewed officials from the major bowls. The Fiesta wet their pants in excitement over ND. The Orange Bowl liked the prospect. The Rose noted their long time affliation with the PAC whatever and the Big Number, then added, of course ND has a history dating with the Rose Bowl dating back to 1925 ... The Sugar Bowl spoke about the SEC.

If ND was available for the Sugar's second pick they would consider them but they'd much rather have a team like Louisville, Rutgers, or somebody else the SEC's #2 team could lay a whippin' on. They'll sell the place out regardless of opponent. ND would get more TV sets turned on but not enough to risk the ire of the SEC base.

So how did the Sugar pick us in 2006 if they hate us so? Sugar is odds on favorite to have the #1 pick'em with Alabama finishing #1. (however I think they are more likely to lose than K State, and even odds with Oregon to get a loss). ND is the absolutely highest profit target of all teams in the BCS mix, I mean the Pitt game had a 4.0 rating and we have been highest watched game 3 or 4 weekends this year.

Pick'em #2 is based who finishes #2 in the BCS standings. If Oregon is #1 or #2 the Rose Bowl will have the corresponding pick which will entail a very highly rated team spanking a crappy Big Ten team. K State needs Oregon or Bama to lose to make the BCS Championship. If that happens, Fiesta Bowl gets the first or second pick (most likely second).

So odds are, Sugar gets #1 pick, Rose gets #2 pick or possibly #1 and a chance Fiesta has a chance at #2 pick. If Bama and Oregon lose we are in for BCS Championship.

Now if all four win out, I don't see how we end up playing #3 since two bowls will pick before the bowl automatically with #3 representing their conference has a shot at it. I can imagine the Sugar passing on ND based on your thesis, however two bowls passing on us is pretty unreasonable based on good old capitalism.

 

[Bubba]

If the Fiesta gets KSU as Big 12 champ and gets first pick of the at-larges, it's hard to see how they don't grab us. Even if we lose one we're a better option for them than any other at-large candidate at this point. (Oklahoma? La Tech? One of the SEC also-rans?)

Otherwise it'd be great to play Florida, Georgia or LSU in the Sugar. I'd probably rather play them anyway (Chance to knock out a big bad SEC team. Plus I still have bad memories of the unmentionable tortilla chip bowl of 2000). As for perceived SEC/Sugar Bowl bias against us, we did wind up there in '06 against the #2 team in the SEC. They seemed glad to take our money then. What's changed?

The team we field today is better and has a chance. Whether we want to believe it or not, that '06 team was not going to pull off the upset and everybody knew it. It would be a much bigger risk today to bring in ND and risking the "home" team losing.

 

[phork]

So how did the Sugar pick us in 2006 if they hate us so? Sugar is odds on favorite to have the #1 pick'em with Alabama finishing #1. (however I think they are more likely to lose than K State, and even odds with Oregon to get a loss). ND is the absolutely highest profit target of all teams in the BCS mix, I mean the Pitt game had a 4.0 rating and we have been highest watched game 3 or 4 weekends this year.

Pick'em #2 is based who finishes #2 in the BCS standings. If Oregon is #1 or #2 the Rose Bowl will have the corresponding pick which will entail a very highly rated team spanking a crappy Big Ten team. K State needs Oregon or Bama to lose to make the BCS Championship. If that happens, Fiesta Bowl gets the first or second pick (most likely second).

So odds are, Sugar gets #1 pick, Rose gets #2 pick or possibly #1 and a chance Fiesta has a chance at #2 pick. If Bama and Oregon lose we are in for BCS Championship.

Now if all four win out, I don't see how we end up playing #3 since two bowls will pick before the bowl automatically with #3 representing their conference has a shot at it. I can imagine the Sugar passing on ND based on your thesis, however two bowls passing on us is pretty unreasonable based on good old capitalism.

The Sugar will pick the second BCS eligible SEC team, period. The Rose will do the same, except here there is a small chance there will be no Pac12 BCS 2nd team. If we fall to the Fiesta they will have already slotted the BIG12 champion in one slot because they are obligated to do so. Best case is we end up in the Rose Bowl against a crappy Big10 team, worst case is we end up in the Fiesta vs KSU.