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If he puts the work in and turns it around, by all means, bring him back. A little forgiveness never hurt, and I think it would paint Notre Dame in a more positive light after the off season recruiting fluke.
 

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I'm all for it, 2nd chances are great. If it doesn't work out it doesn't work out. While we're at it, someone tell Aaron Lynch he can come back to- if he'd like :)
 

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I am still scratching my head on Tee's first run at it. Look, I hope the kid gets where he needs to be / wants to be. If its ND...great.

Yes he has a good star count...but when is the last time the kid even strapped up for a season...he is a good get on the recruiting board, but who knows what he actually does on the field. In this case I wouldn't hang a ton of hope on him being a star on the field just yet.

I hope he comes back because he seemed like a good kid, and he has challenged himself to try and do it...how can you not root for that?
 

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Larry Moriarty

Isn't relevant, today.

Yes, Moriarty was a JUCO transfer in 1979 and the only JUCO to do so.


  • There was no 85 scholarship limit then. It was more like 125 then.
  • I don't believe the NCAA 5 year clock to play 4 was in place as Moriarty graduated HS in '75 (was born in '58).
  • He sat out 3 years between HS graduation and JUCO due to injuries and illness (mono? or something similar). He was a very good student. Went to Santa Barbara City College for a year and transferred into ND. Moriarty was older than most ND Seniors when he arrived on campus. He would have had one year of eligibility when he arrived at ND by present rules.
  • ND was in the early stages of the Hesburgh/Malloy quest to be the Princeton/Stanford of the Midwest. ND Admissions was not as tough as the past decade nor was the Student Body as Academically Talented.
  • I don't know if ND had the required Freshman Year of Studies Program in place. This academic program effectively bars most JUCOs from transferring. Most JUCOs go that route for Remedial Work to correct HS shortcomings so most of their JUCO work is not transferrable to ND.
 

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I am still scratching my head on Tee's first run at it. ...

I'm outright baffled by his "stint" at ND. I'm not talking the "health condition" or academic/limited attendance issues. As much as some people here cite these as "fact" there is no basis to be a fact, only internet innuendo.

Some ND Background
ND for quite some time has had a reputation for tougher Admissions requirements than the NCAA Minimums. At least since the mid 90's, ND has required HS students to have 16 core courses at a time when the NCAA only required 12. The NCAA has only recently made that a requirement for all Div 1 schools.

In the past 15 or so years I can think of quite a few recruits who got rejected outright by ND Admissions, such as T.J. Duckett (lack of HS math classes) and Walter Payton's kid, both RBs. QB Carson Palmer was told to retake his test and raise his score. He was annoyed that everyone else accepted his NCAA minimal score and refused. He went to USC. WR David Terrell was told to retake a course. He too got his nose out of joint as other colleges accepted his NCAA minimal GPA/Core Courses. He verballed ND but fled to Michigan rather than make up a course.

Aldo de la Garza worked his butt off to get his academics up to ND Admissions standards but fell short. He excelled as a lineman at A&M.

In '95 Holtz had LOI's from WR Randy Moss and RB James Jackson. Yet Moss application was rejected by ND Admissions and Jackson's grades were deficient. This was at a time when you didn't get an ND offer until AFTER ND Admissions said you were qualified to be an ND student. Holtz tired to finesse to subpar students past Admissions at the 11th hour (actually 12:01). "We already have their LOI's." ND Admissions took the steam out of Holtz's steamroller and neither Moss nor Jackson were cleared by ND. (This power play manuever and it's rejection was one of the princpal causes of Holtz's leaving ND about 10 months later but I digress.)


Many are called and few are chosen. Happens most ever year.

In ND's history there has been one JUCO transfer, Moriarty. There have been 3 Prop 48 Admissions all in '86, Rice, Foley, and Basketball player Robinson. The Prop 48s had deficient GPA and/or Test Scores. The NCAA allowed them to enroll but they were not allowed to practice or take part in any sport activity. 100% of their freshman year time was to be spent on ACADEMICS only AND that year COUNTED as a year of eligibilty. The ND Prop 48's graduated but ND never took another one as the Administration did not feel students in that situation were intergrated well into the NCAA Student Body Experience. (See ND First Year of Studies Program).

About 7 years ago ND made a huge change in philosophy when Early Entrance Freshman were admitted in January for the Spring Term. President Malloy opposed it strongly but finally acquiesced. ND Admissions reviewed the candidates with the proverbial fine tooth comb as this was a departure from ND's Educational Philosophy.

Also in the '90's and '00's there were a number of student athletes that somehow ran afoul of the NCAA Clearinghouse for a variety of reasons (usually a HS transcript error or a question over the HS Course Description and the actual HS Course Content). One of the Wisne brother, I believe the younger one, Andy had a Clearinghouse Problem and he was forbidden to play by the NCAA. You have to have Clearinghouse approval to have an NCAA Scholarship. In all cases the Clearinghouse issues were resolved but keep in mind they couldn't play until it was in place - NO scholarship without approval.


Now we come to Tee and the real issues.

How was he enrolled at ND if he didn't have an approved TEST SCORE?

Was he Clearinghouse Approved?

Similar to Palmer and Terrell, had Tee met the NCAA Requirements but was told by ND to raise his score and he was deficient there?

If so, why was he enrolled as a Early Entrant when ND requires an even stronger display of academic character?


Most of you are buzzing over second chances, yet I ask was Tee ever actually approved in the first place. Was he enrolled or was he in "limbo" awaiting clearance? Was this why he wasn't in class BUT was making lockerroom videos - by himself? Did the Tee "enrollment" justify the Yeager unproven allegations in "Under The Tarnished Dome" about selling out integrity by lowering standards dramtically to get a highly touted prospect around Admissions?

Did Tee withdraw from ND "IN GOOD STANDING before the cutoff date for withdrawal? Is he considered for Grad Rate Computations an academic failure for ND (doesn't sound like he was in good standing from the jimmymac and other students gossip) or is he "the man who was never there"? Does a "health condition/failed physical" constitute a waiver in the grad rate stats.

Personally, I have reservations as to whether he was truly enrolled. ND requesting a higher test score is moot if he was already enrolled before the test score results were in. IF he had already met the Clearinghouse than Enrollment IS acceptance.


Now there's the recent newspaper article where a JUCO coach says Tee is enrolled at his school. Tee may play there but will the courses he takes there be comparable to ND First Year of Studies?

Keep in mind here that two ND verbals reneged and first went to UF where they took college courses but they transferred to ND where they had to make up work to catch up when allowed to come to ND.


And unlike Larry Moriarty's situation, Tee's 5 year NCAA clock is ticking.


This is Notre Dame where the term Student-Athlete is evaluated in in the whole. No pass on math or foreign language even if you do run for a 4.3 40 - backpedaling.


About 15 years ago after a ND player had problems with academic eligibility then HC Lou Holtz noted, "If you're not eligible, you are of no use to the team, the school, or yourself."
 
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Isn't relevant, today.

Yes, Moriarty was a JUCO transfer in 1979 and the only JUCO to do so.


  • There was no 85 scholarship limit then. It was more like 125 then.
  • I don't believe the NCAA 5 year clock to play 4 was in place as Moriarty graduated HS in '75 (was born in '58).
  • He sat out 3 years between HS graduation and JUCO due to injuries and illness (mono? or something similar). He was a very good student. Went to Santa Barbara City College for a year and transferred into ND. Moriarty was older than most ND Seniors when he arrived on campus. He would have had one year of eligibility when he arrived at ND by present rules.
  • ND was in the early stages of the Hesburgh/Malloy quest to be the Princeton/Stanford of the Midwest. ND Admissions was not as tough as the past decade nor was the Student Body as Academically Talented.
  • I don't know if ND had the required Freshman Year of Studies Program in place. This academic program effectively bars most JUCOs from transferring. Most JUCOs go that route for Remedial Work to correct HS shortcomings so most of their JUCO work is not transferrable to ND.

I just brought him up because I was tired of other people saying there was never a JUCO at ND. Damn he is old. (I graduated high school in 1975, but was born in 1957, [rule of 9 - 18 years of age]. My understanding is that Moriarty had a serious vision problem in his right eye. You are corect, there was no five year clock then. Lot's of guys that came back from Viet Nam went to school under the GI Bill and were playing into their late 20's. In the 1970's and 1980's there were a ton of guys that played on one of the service teams, playing at different colleges from D1 down.

Being a product of a fine Catholic high school institution I have to bite my toungue at part of this conversation; the charity part. Does ND have a program for non-traditional students, limited by disability or environment?
 

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In '95 Holtz had LOI's from WR Randy Moss and RB James Jackson. Yet Moss application was rejected by ND Admissions and Jackson's grades were deficient. This was at a time when you didn't get an ND offer until AFTER ND Admissions said you were qualified to be an ND student. Holtz tired to finesse to subpar students past Admissions at the 11th hour (actually 12:01). "We already have their LOI's." ND Admissions took the steam out of Holtz's steamroller and neither Moss nor Jackson were cleared by ND. (This power play manuever and it's rejection was one of the princpal causes of Holtz's leaving ND about 10 months later but I digress.)


This is the 1st I've heard about Moss and admissions. All reports came out that Notre Dame revoked his scholarship because Moss pled guilty, and received probation and a 30-day suspended jail sentence due to battery charges in high school.
 

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This is the 1st I've heard about Moss and admissions. All reports came out that Notre Dame revoked his scholarship because Moss pled guilty, and received probation and a 30-day suspended jail sentence due to battery charges in high school.

Wouldn't it be admissions that made that decision? Not all admissions decisions are based on academics. There are lots of reasons to admit or not admit someone to school.
 

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I think in the year and a half I have been on this board, the Randy Moss thing has come up 246,785,028 times.
 
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Tee IMO obviously has love for ND. If we are his dream, and he will put in the work, come on home. Perhaps this is a wake up call for the young man. If it is, and he's willing to take the path not typically travelled, bring it on. ND is more challenging than 99% of the academic institutions with FB programs. It's not for everyone. But if a kid with the odds somewhat stacked against him wants it, that's a pretty damn good reason to welcome him back.
 

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Well, after 4 pages we obviously don't know much other than a couple of comments from him. Heck, we don't even know his actual status at the community college or how he can be brought back in to Notre Dame.

I guess we're destined to rumors until actual news breaks. The good news is whatever happens, it should happen soon.
 
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Oh, picture being stuck in a thread like this, under house arrest, until you had all the answers, the truth, so to speak! Wouldn't that be he11? Can you immagine, destine to wander the pages of this thread for eternity?
 
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Oh, picture being stuck in a thread like this, under house arrest, until you had all the answers, the truth, so to speak! Wouldn't that be he11? Can you immagine, destine to wander the pages of this thread for eternity?

The funny thing..nobody has an answer one way or the other. Nobody knows if he is even enrolled in CC or even the actual reason why he left. Heck, we aren't sure if he was even officially enrolled at ND or not! Frankly, it's none of my business either. I just hope he has a chance to come back. Both for football and because I want him to succeed at his dream school.

All we do know is Tee still has lots of love for ND which leads me to believe that there is no bad blood and if he can get back in (somehow) BK will bring him back.

I remember when BK talked about Tee when he first left and he seemed extremely upset at the situation. Maybe it's because Tee did all the right things but admissions said no so they needed him to work on some things.

All I do know is that I don't know.
 

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The funny thing..nobody has an answer one way or the other. Nobody knows if he is even enrolled in CC or even the actual reason why he left. Heck, we aren't sure if he was even officially enrolled at ND or not! .

If it is any help (maybe not) Tee was in the ND directory previously. Now I'm not sure this 100% means he was enrolled. The ND class of 2016 (incoming freshman) are in the directory, but they haven't been on campus yet (so the NCAA doesn't view them as "enrolled"- I think?).

Also just a note: Tee is in the ND directory. (I believe T' ajani Jer-ray Shepard is he full name). Of course it could be from the Spring semester still... not sure how often they update it
 

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I feel that reeling in a Priest Willis, MacKensie Alexander, Vernon Hargraeves will ease the loss of Mr. Shepard.
 

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Ok let me set it straight. I personally talked to one of the ND coaches when he came down to Phoenix to talk to a recruit at my school. He told me that the "medical condition" excuse was not true. It was because Tee didn't score high enough on his ACT to pass NCAA clearinghouse standards let alone ND's. Tee was not eligible to play at any college. He should have never been accepted to ND in the first place. I hope any ill will Irish fans have against Tee will stop because it's unfair to hate on kid who couldn't quite make it academically. Who knows, maybe he can in the future.
 
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Ok let me set it straight. I personally talked to one of the ND coaches when he came down to Phoenix to talk to a recruit at my school. He told me that the "medical condition" excuse was not true. It was because Tee didn't score high enough on his ACT to pass NCAA clearinghouse standards let alone ND's. Tee was not eligible to play at any college. He should have never been accepted to ND in the first place. I hope any ill will Irish fans have against Tee will stop because it's unfair to hate on kid who couldn't quite make it academically. Who knows, maybe he can in the future.

Well, hopefully re-taking it and finishing with a better score will get him in.
 

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If it is any help (maybe not) Tee was in the ND directory previously. Now I'm not sure this 100% means he was enrolled. The ND class of 2016 (incoming freshman) are in the directory, but they haven't been on campus yet (so the NCAA doesn't view them as "enrolled"- I think?).

Also just a note: Tee is in the ND directory. (I believe T' ajani Jer-ray Shepard is he full name). Of course it could be from the Spring semester still... not sure how often they update it

Pretty sure Tee attended a class or two early last semester. Which is why people were complaining when he was tweeted sexual stuff all over twitter at 4:00 in the morning on a school night. Would love to see him set things straight and be able to make it back to ND, but even if he does, he might not be able to play this season due to transfer rules and stuff. Like it has been stated already, not really sure how this CC thing is working out.
 

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I don't mind if he can't play this year. Any kid who has a chance, be it 1,2,3,6,7, chances to get his mind right and come to ND, I will take it. I just wish him the best. I really wish him the best if he comes back a succeeds at ND. HAD to leave because of academics, turned himself around, made it back, out in the hard work, graduates AND goes pro with ND degree.... that's a good story! Best of luck to him regardless.
 
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I don't mind if he can't play this year. Any kid who has a chance, be it 1,2,3,6,7, chances to get his mind right and come to ND, I will take it. I just wish him the best. I really wish him the best if he comes back a succeeds at ND. HAD to leave because of academics, turned himself around, made it back, out in the hard work, graduates AND goes pro with ND degree.... that's a good story! Best of luck to him regardless.

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Ok let me set it straight. I personally talked to one of the ND coaches when he came down to Phoenix to talk to a recruit at my school. He told me that the "medical condition" excuse was not true. It was because Tee didn't score high enough on his ACT to pass NCAA clearinghouse standards let alone ND's. Tee was not eligible to play at any college. He should have never been accepted to ND in the first place. I hope any ill will Irish fans have against Tee will stop because it's unfair to hate on kid who couldn't quite make it academically. Who knows, maybe he can in the future.

Thank you!
 

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If he clears it then hopefully he might comeback. I don't wanna be a dick but how do you not get a 41 combined on the ACT if his GPA was truely a 3.4. or a 52 combined ACT score if his GPA was a 3.000
 
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