Will you allow/direct your children to play football?

Will you allow/direct your children to play football?

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stlnd01

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This might seem silly but to me it matters a lot where you live and what kind of football is played in your state and town. Connecticut Class S football is not even the same sport as Texas 6A. I played varsity football for four years and never even sniffed a college athlete, let alone FBS talent. Slow motion football is a lot less scary than the high level stuff.

This is a good point. I played in a small-school, not especially-talented league in Massachusetts. There were only a few college-level players, and not a lot of bad injuries.
The fact that my kids - should they want to play football - would likely play in something similar, rather than super-intense league in Ohio or Florida or something, makes me more OK with the idea.
 

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Our future kids won't play football, my wife and I have already talked about this. Neither one of us has the genes to produce to a DI caliber football player, so the risk-reward equation is very unbalanced. I don't think you can logically justify the long term health risks for something that is a "game" with no payoff... there are plenty of things that are "fun" that are a bad idea to do.
 

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Our future kids won't play football, my wife and I have already talked about this. Neither one of us has the genes to produce to a DI caliber football player, so the risk-reward equation is very unbalanced. I don't think you can logically justify the long term health risks for something that is a "game" with no payoff... there are plenty of things that are "fun" that are a bad idea to do.

We're gunning for a kicker or a long-snapper. Hell you can be blind and long snap at USC!

But seriously, we're going to gauge his interest, athletic ability, and size before letting him play. And even then, we'll lobby for him to be a special teams ace.
 

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We're gunning for a kicker or a long-snapper. Hell you can be blind and long snap at USC!

But seriously, we're going to gauge his interest, athletic ability, and size before letting him play. And even then, we'll lobby for him to be a special teams ace.

My cousin is an FCS kicker for this reason. He was good enough to QB our high school team but he wasn't good enough to make a college roster as a QB.
 

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Our future kids won't play football, my wife and I have already talked about this. Neither one of us has the genes to produce to a DI caliber football player, so the risk-reward equation is very unbalanced. I don't think you can logically justify the long term health risks for something that is a "game" with no payoff... there are plenty of things that are "fun" that are a bad idea to do.
I'm not sure how this statement would be any different if we were talking about letting your kid rid a bicycle.
 

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I'm not sure how this statement would be any different if we were talking about letting your kid rid a bicycle.

Yeah. It’s tough choices sometimes. I’ve been teaching my 11 year old how to whitewater kayak. It’s my favorite sport I’ve ever done but literally had friends die kayaking and rafting. Lots of ways to get hurt outdoors.
 

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Our future kids won't play football, my wife and I have already talked about this. Neither one of us has the genes to produce to a DI caliber football player, so the risk-reward equation is very unbalanced. I don't think you can logically justify the long term health risks for something that is a "game" with no payoff... there are plenty of things that are "fun" that are a bad idea to do.

What about Lacrosse or hockey? It seems the risks are very similar depending on the position being played.

To your point about the risk/reward, I played college ball so my son may have the size and ability to play as well. Football was a very meaningful part of my life. I learned quite a bit and it opened up doors that may have otherwise been closed. I had one concussion in the ten years I played so for me, the game has been a net positive.

It seems like the concern for most people is the possibility of the "big hit", whether their child is on the receiving or delivering side of the collision. The bigger concern for me is being repeatedly hit, even if it is low impact. Everyone on the field is at risk of taking a big hit (obvious, I know). However, there are certain positions, namely RB, MLB and the interior linemen, that require the player deliver or absorb several hits to the head. There's just no way around it. There's chance my son will have the build to play some of those positions and that is a concern. I would prefer he plays on the edge, whether it's DE, OLB, OT, or TE, rather than the interior of either unit (he's not playing RB, WR or corner).

Aside from position, there are two other factors I'd consider; special teams and coaching. He's not playing special teams. He's not playing kickoff, kickoff return, punt or punt return. I understand some people may disagree here. If you're part of a team, you have to contribute to help the team. That said, there's no chance I'm letting my kid sprint forty yards down a field so he can launch his body at another player. If you can pull yourself back from the "tough guy" mentality and the tradition of the game, I think reasonable minds can agree this is simply ridiculous. If the game has any chance of being played fifty years from now, kickoffs and punts will have to be critically analyzed and eliminated from the game.

Coaching, specifically with respect to practice, is another issue I'd have to review. I grew up in an era where coaches would use drills like the "nutcracker" or "oklahoma". These drills obviously build toughness but they also increase the amount of helmet to helmet hits a player takes. I have no problem with a coach breaking down my son and building toughness but it can't be done at the expense of his health. Back to special teams, you can't have a good special teams unit unless you repeatedly run a live drill at practice. Nobody in their right mind wants their child to take ten reps of kickoff three days a week at practice. It's just not going to happen.

Changes have to be made that may make the game less enjoyable for fans but the game won't exist unless the changes are made.

So, short answer for me is it depends.
 

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This might seem silly but to me it matters a lot where you live and what kind of football is played in your state and town. Connecticut Class S football is not even the same sport as Texas 6A. I played varsity football for four years and never even sniffed a college athlete, let alone FBS talent. Slow motion football is a lot less scary than the high level stuff.

That's because they don't let college athletes play in HS.

I've got another one, but I won't go there. :wink:
 

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What about Lacrosse or hockey? It seems the risks are very similar depending on the position being played.

From research I was shown taking my coaching and first aid classes last year, football has a much higher overall injury rate. And there is also some articles I've read that point to football players have much worse long term health problems after they stop playing relative to any other professional athlete.

You can get hurt playing lacrosse, soccer, baseball, basketball, hockey, etc. The points about concussions in girl's soccer are absolutely true, and other sports have concussion problems too. Only one sport has repeated head trauma (even if sub-concussive) on every play, and only one sport has an abnormally large portion of the alumni with degenerative mental illness, etc.

To your point about the risk/reward, I played college ball so my son may have the size and ability to play as well. Football was a very meaningful part of my life. I learned quite a bit and it opened up doors that may have otherwise been closed. I had one concussion in the ten years I played so for me, the game has been a net positive.

If my kid had any hope of being that caliber of football player, I'd let them play if they wanted. And who knows, maybe that will be the case and he'll be a special athlete in which case I'd absolutely let him play. The way I see it there are risks in everything you do in life, and it's question of what is acceptable risk. If my kid wants to be a college football player and has the ability to be a college football player than I'm going to let them chase that dream.

Otherwise, my wife was an elite basketball player and I wasn't half bad at lacrosse and about half my family golfed in college somewhere so they can pick whatever the hell else they want to play.

It seems like the concern for most people is the possibility of the "big hit", whether their child is on the receiving or delivering side of the collision. The bigger concern for me is being repeatedly hit, even if it is low impact. Everyone on the field is at risk of taking a big hit (obvious, I know). However, there are certain positions, namely RB, MLB and the interior linemen, that require the player deliver or absorb several hits to the head. There's just no way around it. There's chance my son will have the build to play some of those positions and that is a concern. I would prefer he plays on the edge, whether it's DE, OLB, OT, or TE, rather than the interior of either unit (he's not playing RB, WR or corner).

Aside from position, there are two other factors I'd consider; special teams and coaching. He's not playing special teams. He's not playing kickoff, kickoff return, punt or punt return. I understand some people may disagree here. If you're part of a team, you have to contribute to help the team. That said, there's no chance I'm letting my going to let my sprint forty yards down a field so he can launch his body at another player. If you can pull yourself back from the "tough guy" mentality and the tradition of the game, I think reasonable minds can agree this is simply ridiculous. If the game has any chance of being played fifty years from now, kickoffs and punts will have to be critically analyzed and eliminated from the game.

Coaching, specifically with respect to practice, is another issue I'd have to review. I grew up in an era where coaches would use drills like the "nutcracker" or "oklahoma". These drills obviously build toughness but they also increase the amount of helmet to helmet hits a player takes. I have no problem with a coach breaking down my son and building toughness but it can't be done at the expense of his health. Back to special teams, you can't have a good special teams unit unless you repeatedly run a live drill at practice. Nobody in their right mind wants their child to take ten reps of kickoff three days a week at practice. It's just not going to happen.

Changes have to be made that may make the game less enjoyable for fans but the game won't exist unless the changes are made.

So, short answer for me is it depends.

This is basically where I'm at.
 

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Concussions in soccer are incredibly rare after the age of 12. Before that age, though, they are very prevalent, because heading the ball can be dangerous if not done properly and most don't have the proper technique. They are never severe concussions like football causes and almost always go unreported. I can recall in my high school days, as a centerback I used to head the ball off punts. Never affected me really, but I can imagine a 9 year old trying the same and messing up, hitting him on the wrong side of the head, and definitely getting concussed. If I had to guess, I bet a lot of these CTE cases developed from playing tackle football from too early of an age.

That is why US soccer has taken steps to banning headers under the age of 12.


In regards to would I let my son play football, absolutely. Concussions these days get proper treatment. If/when he ever had the max amount or a severe one, that is when he gets cut off.

This is the biggest load of dog shyt. Its complete and utter dog shyt. I researched the topic heavily when US Soccer came out and announced the ban. There was a massive lawsuit that was the result of youth girls having concussions. The data they fuking used in the lawsuit against US soccer was heavily manipulated and inconclusive. If I remember correctly the lawsuit pulled data from 2 different sources. 1 source provided data that simply documented total concussions in the sport. It didn't even distinguish if the concussions were from heading the ball, which was their primary argument. The second source of data, listed the head injury by a source. It just listed the injury as head injury and didnt even specifiy if the player was concussed. In this data set, something like 70 percent (I cant remember the actual total) of them were from collisions. And that data would include any collision during the game, not just collisions from 2 players going to head the ball. It could have been 2 kids defending on the same team running into one another, and it would be included in the data set. The lawsuit didnt use any data from youth boys, only girls. Not that it matters, just tha'ts what was used. But tried to look into boys concussion data, and there seemed to be far fewer in number. Maybe this is bc they go unreported.

Me, my brother, my wife, and my wife's sister have all played soccer at what is considered a highly competitive level. We have all headed the ball thousands of times. Zero injuries from heading a soccer ball. Heading the ball does not give you concussions. If you want to take it out of the game due to collisions, then argue that, but don't try to tell me that heading the ball causes concussions. I've been lucky and have only had 2 concussions so far that I consider to actually be concussions and not just a "whoa that made my head ring for 10 seconds" . The first was playing a soccer game in college from a collision in the midfield on a 50/50 ball and the second was playing a rec Rugby game a couple years ago and caught a forearm straight across the jaw. They were actual concussions bc i saw the black and flash from the hit. I know what they feel like. And I never once have ever felt or seen the black to white flash from heading a soccer ball.

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But an 8 year doesn't know what they are doing, they aren't coordinated enough to head the ball properly. To that I say, the vast majority 8 years old kids are certainly coordinated enough to head the ball, they just need to be taught properly. Maybe not a 5 year old. But an 8 year old is coordinated enough. The ball barely comes off the ground until about 5 or 6. And even then it isnt going very high or fast of the boot.

To ban the headers until 12 is just the pussificiation of American kids in its latest form.


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Debating right now on this issue. My son who is 8 and weighs 75 pounds at most wants to play. I've seen his class mates who play and a couple are near 165 pounds. I played Ice Hockey and suffered two concussions and have no I'll effects. But, with the research I read it is concerning. Football in the south is serious business, and he wants in on it
 

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I played football from 1st grade throughout college. JUCO and then NAIA had a handful of concussions and 4 shoulder surgeries. I will not allow my kids to play football unless they are a special athlete and not before they are in high school.

The helmet technology has definitely improved from the old 10 pound riddell helmets but my concern is more with the lack of practice. The different state high school athletic boards and NCAA has drastically cut back on the amount of contact practice that it is just not possible to teach proper tackling technique anymore. I am a firm believer that this is the leading issue with concussions than anything else.

After my playing career was over I coached at a JUCO in Kansas before realizing it wasn't for me. I was the secondary coach and the amount of time that coaches are able to afford to tackling can't be more for than an hour a week. With the rest of practice being somewhat light contact to not injure teammates. There just isn't enough reps to around anymore to teach proper tackling techniques.

With that being side I wouldn't be the person I am without the sport of football but I just can't justify putting my future kids through the potential health risks not just risk of concussions. I'm 30 with arthritis it both shoulders and suffer from memory recall and mood swings. Could the memory recall and mood swings be caused from something else? Sure but I'm willing to bet the 4-6 concussions I received from football didn't help the cause.
 

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My son plays Pop Warner football and finishing his second season and moving from Tiny Mite (5,6 and 7 yr olds) to Mighty Mite (8, 9 and 10 yr olds). I am his coach and one thing I like about Pop Warner and USA Football League they teach and enforce proper Heads Up Tackling techniques.
 

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My son plays Pop Warner football and finishing his second season and moving from Tiny Mite (5,6 and 7 yr olds) to Mighty Mite (8, 9 and 10 yr olds). I am his coach and one thing I like about Pop Warner and USA Football League they teach and enforce proper Heads Up Tackling techniques.

Out of curiousity how much time is spent practicing tackling at that level now? What are the restrictions on contact at practice?
 

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I will let my son play any sport he wants to try. I think playing multiple sports as a kid when your body is still developing helps your overall athletic ability and your instinct and how your control your body when playing a sport. It helps you learn your strengths and it helps you learn how to protect yourself so that it becomes instinctual. It all adds up.
 

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My sons are gonna be bruisers. They're going to be in the trenches or TEs at worst. At TE I'd be more worried about possibly getting concussions, but not as concerned as if he was going to play QB, RB, WR, etc. As an OL there is less chance for concussions in comparison to a ball carrier. I'm very much hoping my boys play football someday, at least in high school. My one son already has the motor for it, I think he'll be a lot of fun to watch. He's only 4 and we do tackling drills where I teach him about keeping his head up and wrapping up, I'm starting him early.
 

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I played for 10 years, tackle the whole way. I would say it's imperative to make sure they have a competent coach who will properly teach them how to form tackle. That being said, there are a lot of benefits of starting early. You learn the proper way to play a physical sport and most kids aren't exactly physical enough at a younger age to really destroy others, at least not brutally. Of course there are outliers, but I never really recall taking a heavy blow until middle school.

However...as much as I loved playing and I wouldn't trade my football memories for anything, I don't think I am ever going to nudge my kids (don't have any yet) into playing. If they want to, they will get my blessing, but it's a violent enough sport that I don't want to force anything upon them, it has to come from them like it did me. My mom and dad never nudged me towards any certain sport, they just let me try what interested me.
 

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I played for 10 years, tackle the whole way. I would say it's imperative to make sure they have a competent coach who will properly teach them how to form tackle. That being said, there are a lot of benefits of starting early. You learn the proper way to play a physical sport and most kids aren't exactly physical enough at a younger age to really destroy others, at least not brutally. Of course there are outliers, but I never really recall taking a heavy blow until middle school.

However...as much as I loved playing and I wouldn't trade my football memories for anything, I don't think I am ever going to nudge my kids (don't have any yet) into playing. If they want to, they will get my blessing, but it's a violent enough sport that I don't want to force anything upon them, it has to come from them like it did me. My mom and dad never nudged me towards any certain sport, they just let me try what interested me.

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I'm not married yet, and no kids. My parents didn't let me play football till I was the "oldest" in the league. Since 4-6 grade played together I couldn't play till I was in 6th, that way the older kids weren't teeing off on me. I definitely would watch that with my kids, making sure I'm not sending them off to the slaughter at a young age.

I've always said, I want my kids to play soccer at a young age. You learn spacing, touch, passing, teamwork, and get a good sense of how athletic they are. After that, it's up to them what they want to do. But football, I'll follow the above guideline.
 

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My daughter is in high school and has played competitive soccer since she was 7. She is a goalkeeper and unfortunately has had more than 1 concussion. None were considered severe, only 1 that took quite a while to heal. However, if she gets 1 more, she will be done. She wears the headband and that helped prevent any serious concussions. IMO certain positions in soccer can be more dangerous than football. Goalkeeper is definitely one of them. She is really good at it, though. Only 5'4 120 lbs but she plays as if she were twice that size. She was her varsity team's starter as a freshman last year. The lost in the first round of the playoffs.

My son has no desire to play sports. He played soccer and baseball when he was younger. He's almost 11 and could not care less about sports.
 

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Out of curiousity how much time is spent practicing tackling at that level now? What are the restrictions on contact at practice?

Practice/conditioning starts about a month + before our first game. We practice 5 days a week, 2 hours practices, a work conditioning, acclimation and work on fundamentals from the get go focusing on heads up tackling. My fellow coach and I pride our team on being sure tacklers. Pop Warner limits the amount a contact per practice per week but that is a lot of heads up tackling drills you can do that don’t include full speed contact.
 

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My 6 year old hated soccer. Cried before games (he was 4)
thought baseball was boring.
Loves basketball. (Plays at the ymca) 6 foot rim
Starts football next year.
I dont care either way if he plays football. He is fast and very coordinated. Serious competitors mentality. I mainly want him in sports for the friends. He goes to a small scholl. (Same one I did) graduates about 70 per year. You are either into sports drugs or a dork. Not enough kids for any other clicks.
I played had a broken tailbone two broken elbows. Nothing has bothered me once since then. Besides the fact that I'm 30 pounds overweight I'm in great health. I'll be 35 in may and have taken 2 advil 1 dose of nyquil ( should be illegal) two steroid shots and a zpac one time for the flu And a tetanus shot when I shot a 16 penny nail in my finger.

I have not taken any form of meds whatsoever. Since 2009. Not one.
A lot of that concussion stuff a long with everything else is in your DNA. Everyone is different. I can tell you that I and two different friends tear acls in whiffle ball our senior year. Only remember 2 guys yearling acls in all of football
 

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My 6 year old hated soccer. Cried before games (he was 4)
thought baseball was boring.
Loves basketball. (Plays at the ymca) 6 foot rim
Starts football next year.
I dont care either way if he plays football. He is fast and very coordinated. Serious competitors mentality. I mainly want him in sports for the friends. He goes to a small scholl. (Same one I did) graduates about 70 per year. You are either into sports drugs or a dork. Not enough kids for any other clicks.
I played had a broken tailbone two broken elbows. Nothing has bothered me once since then. Besides the fact that I'm 30 pounds overweight I'm in great health. I'll be 35 in may and have taken 2 advil 1 dose of nyquil ( should be illegal) two steroid shots and a zpac one time for the flu And a tetanus shot when I shot a 16 penny nail in my finger.

I have not taken any form of meds whatsoever. Since 2009. Not one.
A lot of that concussion stuff a long with everything else is in your DNA. Everyone is different. I can tell you that I and two different friends tear acls in whiffle ball our senior year. Only remember 2 guys yearling acls in all of football

So if we have good genetics like you, football is less of a problem? :)

Thanks Cody
 

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Lol. Yesem you should strive to be 5 foot 10 195 pounds.

I was just saying everyone is diffrent. Some kids could 5ake a direct helmet hit 1000 times and never miss a beat. Others would be crushed if an apple fell on them.
 

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I have 5 daughters and no sons, so don't have to worry about this decision. If I did, though, I'd let them, but encourage them not to. I played in HS and played a LOT of full contact/no pads football with friends throughout my 20's. Between the two, I ended up with a broken leg, sprained ankle, broken hand, broken foot, several broken fingers, cracked ribs, two days in the hospital with a nasty concussion, and a torn ACL 29 years ago this week which ended my playing days. Thankfully I have no significant lasting problems from any of those injuries, but it's a damn brutal sport. I had 24 fights as an amateur boxer. Never got injured as much in all of them combined as in ANY single football game. My dad used to tell me in my 20's that if he had it to do over again he wouldn't let me play football. I thought he was being silly. I understand better now.
 

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I have 5 daughters and no sons, so don't have to worry about this decision. If I did, though, I'd let them, but encourage them not to. I played in HS and played a LOT of full contact/no pads football with friends throughout my 20's. Between the two, I ended up with a broken leg, sprained ankle, broken hand, broken foot, several broken fingers, cracked ribs, two days in the hospital with a nasty concussion, and a torn ACL 29 years ago this week which ended my playing days. Thankfully I have no significant lasting problems from any of those injuries, but it's a damn brutal sport. I had 24 fights as an amateur boxer. Never got injured as much in all of them combined as in ANY single football game. My dad used to tell me in my 20's that if he had it to do over again he wouldn't let me play football. I thought he was being silly. I understand better now.

I double counted my years; I played every day, no pads, full contact. I saw a few concussions and no one understood why they acted weird until parents started calling each other and we got questioned. Drs. just told us to take It easy and don't play so hard.

My main reply to your statements of broken bones is.

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