Who do you want to replace Brian Kelly?

[Free Manera]

If Fleck stays, he's on the Herman trajectory of getting a chance to coach a huge bowl game this year, then gets to coach against USC and Michigan State next year in September. Performing well there would probably make ND forgot about all concerns regarding him.

There are a lot of coaches (Rhule, Mullen, Narduzzi, Taggert) who can probably make leaps in the eyes of the ND brass with a big year in 2017...also easy to put out feelers to guys like Stoops, Patteron, Petersen if they stumble and are out of the playoff picture early.

All of that can be done this January though. Who cares about what happens in September? if Fleck's team full of 2 and 3 stars falters against two top 15 programs then he fails the audition? Interview him now, hear him out, and do the same with Rhule, Mullen, Narduzzi and Taggert. Then make your decision.

 

[Ndaccountant]

BTW, if you don't know the story, Saban was "too busy" to return a phone call from one Urban Meyer when Saban was hiring staff at Toledo. Urbs called his house and talked with Terry, who liked him BTW, but Saban never returned the call. Ooops.

 

[dwshade]

All of that can be done this January though. Who cares about what happens in September? if Fleck's team full of 2 and 3 stars falters against two top 15 programs then he fails the audition? Interview him now, hear him out, and do the same with Rhule, Mullen, Narduzzi and Taggert. Then make your decision.

Decision is already made. There is no job opening.

 

[Blaise]

Decision is already made. There is no job opening.

That seems to be the case but instead of focusing on DC.. We are still spending hours playing Fantasy AD... SMH

 

[HoosierMP33]

Interesting read.... the gif inside the article of BK pushing/grabbing David Grimes really makes BK look pretty terrible.....


Counterpoint: I Wouldn’t Want Brian Kelly Anywhere Near My Football Team | The Big Lead

 

[irishfan]

All of that can be done this January though. Who cares about what happens in September? if Fleck's team full of 2 and 3 stars falters against two top 15 programs then he fails the audition? Interview him now, hear him out, and do the same with Rhule, Mullen, Narduzzi and Taggert. Then make your decision.

Oh, I'd take Fleck now. I'm just saying I'm sure ND is hesitant and he can alleviate some concerns if he stays another year. Same thing with the other coaches.

 

[NDRock]

That seems to be the case but instead of focusing on DC.. We are still spending hours playing Fantasy AD... SMH

It's not like we have any impact on who the DC is going to be. Dreaming of a new HC is more fun than our current reality.

 

[GowerND11]

Interesting read.... the gif inside the article of BK pushing/grabbing David Grimes really makes BK look pretty terrible.....


Counterpoint: I Wouldn’t Want Brian Kelly Anywhere Near My Football Team | The Big Lead

It's easy to pick something like that out. Grimes was 100% in the wrong yelling at the refs, and needed to be controlled.

 

[Polish Leppy 22]

Could we say the same by not offering Fleck the job in the future? I know he is not as accomplished but the fire and enthusiasm that he brings is unmatched.

The head coach at ND needs a lot more than enthusiasm and 3 years as a head coach.

 

[connor_in]

It's amazing the amount of anger and hatred that is being created based off speculation and possible misinformation.

Anyone got the tail numbers for Elston's plane?

 

[Blaise]

Had problems getting to Oregon apparently

 

[NorthDakota]

Lol they ask Paul Finebaum about what is wrong at Oregon and of course he attacks ND instead lol what a douche.

 

[Cali_domer]

Interesting read.... the gif inside the article of BK pushing/grabbing David Grimes really makes BK look pretty terrible.....


Counterpoint: I Wouldn’t Want Brian Kelly Anywhere Near My Football Team | The Big Lead

 

[Wingman Ray]

Interesting read.... the gif inside the article of BK pushing/grabbing David Grimes really makes BK look pretty terrible.....


Counterpoint: I Wouldn’t Want Brian Kelly Anywhere Near My Football Team | The Big Lead

Man reading articles from guys like this gets me grouchy. Still blaming ND on that girl taking herself out. They disregard her prior medical as well as the fact that the guy didnt RAPE her anyhow. She admitted to nothing more than touchy feelie. That isnt rape. Secondly, what person goes by herself to a football players dormroom where they are ALONE? Clearly she was there for more than discussion about Western Civ class. Did he maybe act aggressive towards her that may have been more than she wanted? Possibly. But it wasnt rape and it wasnt anything that doesnt happen most weekends on any college campus.

Of course those things are always left off on hate ND articles like this.

 

[gkIrish]

Decision is already made. There is no job opening.

I'm going to post this publicly because it applies to everyone but you, specifically, truly need to stop stating opinions as fact unless you are claiming to actually know information.

This has been a board rule for a long time now. Consider this your final warning.

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[OCIrish]

ahhh the good 'ol days.....

http://www.irishenvy.com/forums/notre-dame-football/793-notre-dames-next-coach.html

Ouch......that sure brings up some painful memories, lol!!!

 

[dad4aa]

Does someone want to take the time to compare Kelly's coaching resume to Fleck? Seems like there are a lot of similarities and not sure why so many are hell bent on replacing Kelly with Fleck. Wasn't Kelly anointed as a guy that can come here and make us relevant again? Now, after one horrendous year (after making us relevant again), he should be thrown out for ANOTHER up and comer that can make us relevant?

 

[Blaise]

I'm going to post this publicly because it applies to everyone but you, specifically, truly need to stop stating opinions as fact unless you are claiming to actually know information.

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Pretty sure Kelly is still head coach @ ND.. That's a fact,, Because of which, there is no job opening.. also a fact... Him saying decision has been made may be more of an assumption, but Every beat writer has been saying this for a week now. Kelly will be back in 2017.. Eric Hansen had an entire chat at NDinsider.com yesterday where he said this over and over.. So I don't seem how someone saying this is "Out of line" and needs to be given a final warning

 

[Irish Insanity]

Does someone want to take the time to compare Kelly's coaching resume to Fleck? Seems like there are a lot of similarities and not sure why so many are hell bent on replacing Kelly with Fleck. Wasn't Kelly anointed as a guy that can come here and make us relevant again? Now, after one horrendous year (after making us relevant again), he should be thrown out for ANOTHER up and comer that can make us relevant?

I think the biggest reason is his energy and attitude towards players. He's complete opposite of Kelly in those regards.

 

[irishfan]

Man reading articles from guys like this gets me grouchy. Still blaming ND on that girl taking herself out. They disregard her prior medical as well as the fact that the guy didnt RAPE her anyhow. She admitted to nothing more than touchy feelie. That isnt rape. Secondly, what person goes by herself to a football players dormroom where they are ALONE? Clearly she was there for more than discussion about Western Civ class. Did he maybe act aggressive towards her that may have been more than she wanted? Possibly. But it wasnt rape and it wasnt anything that doesnt happen most weekends on any college campus.

Of course those things are always left off on hate ND articles like this.

No one knows what did or didn't happen, but I don't think Prince Shembo has really proven himself to be a saint.....

 

[dad4aa]

I'm going to post this publicly because it applies to everyone but you, specifically, truly need to stop stating opinions as fact unless you are claiming to actually know information.

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Thanks for posting this because there have been a ton of posts that came across like fact when it was just opinion.

Question I have is why does everyone think BK's job is still on the line? There are a few reports of how "ND would consider..." or "BK's agent is talking to other schools" but, IMO, this is a closed case. JS stated earlier this month that BK would lead the team out of the tunnel in 2017. Our season is over and all the other coaches whose seasons are over have been fired. If JS was going to fire Kelly...why wait? It hurts recruiting and everything else. Most of what is being reported now is about who BK is considering for his new DC which would also indicate he is staying. Too many people on here WANT him gone so the thread stays alive about him being fired rather than focusing on options for DC.

 

[Blaise]

I think the biggest reason is his energy and attitude towards players. He's complete opposite of Kelly in those regards.

IF we got rid of Kelly, Fleck seems a guy who will be able to recruit at ND.. Honestly, I wouldn't mind him or Sanford...I want to catch lightening in a bottle... Feel excited and you know what.. 3 years we may be looking for a new coach cuz they weren't ready but I am ready for that risk

 

[IrishLion]

The UCF and USF coaches are both guys to keep an eye on. Wake Forest's head coach as well, heck if Derek Mason takes the next step at Vandy, keep an eye on him. The market this year has some guys with promising futures, but with very little seasoning.

Scott Frost is a good one that I didn't think of; the turnaround at UCF has been nice. Another year, and perhaps he's on BK-at-UC footing.

Taggart at USF has already proven whatever he needs to prove; another year, even with improvement in winning the AAC, won't really show anything that you can't already see about his upside.

Derek Mason benefited from a weak SEC East, IMO, but either way, I don't think his potential upside justifies waiting another year with a lame-duck coach, just to see if Vandy stays competitive.

If Fleck stays, he's on the Herman trajectory of getting a chance to coach a huge bowl game this year, then gets to coach against USC and Michigan State next year in September. Performing well there would probably make ND forgot about all concerns regarding him.

There are a lot of coaches (Rhule, Mullen, Narduzzi, Taggert) who can probably make leaps in the eyes of the ND brass with a big year in 2017...also easy to put out feelers to guys like Stoops, Patteron, Petersen if they stumble and are out of the playoff picture early.

Those guys are who they are, though. They aren't going to make "leaps" that change their upside over the next year. You know what you're getting with Rhule, Mullen, Narduzzi and Taggart. You're getting young coaches that have turned around dumpster fires, or veteran coaches that have proven they can win with the right pieces in place. Those facts don't change, regardless of what their teams do in '17. It's not like they are limited-experience commodities.

And I'm not trying to debate you; just stating that if the ND admin needs to see another year from any of these guys, they're making a mistake. They will either miss out on an opportunity, or else they will get their guy next year and would have waited an extra year for nothing.

 

[Ndaccountant]

I think the biggest reason is his energy and attitude towards players. He's complete opposite of Kelly in those regards.

Not just that, but Fleck spent time as a positional coach in Div 1 and in the NFL. Kelly's non headcoaching experience was at Assumption and GVSU. Kelly never had to see a recruiting class through in Div 1 until he got to ND. Fleck is in year 4 right now at WMU.

 

[gkIrish]

Pretty sure Kelly is still head coach @ ND.. That's a fact,, Because of which, there is no job opening.. also a fact... Him saying decision has been made may be more of an assumption, but Every beat writer has been saying this for a week now. Kelly will be back in 2017.. Eric Hansen had an entire chat at NDinsider.com yesterday where he said this over and over.. So I don't seem how someone saying this is "Out of line" and needs to be given a final warning

This was not his first warning.

 

[dad4aa]

Not just that, but Fleck spent time as a positional coach in Div 1 and in the NFL. Kelly's non headcoaching experience was at Assumption and GVSU. Kelly never had to see a recruiting class through in Div 1 until he got to ND. Fleck is in year 4 right now at WMU.

Accept for his three years at CMU (same conference as WMU) and his three years at Cincinnati where he led them to an undefeated season and NY6 bowl. BK was 34-6 with back to back conference titles at Cincy before coming to ND.

 

[mango4]

Accept for his three years at CMU (same conference as WMU) and his three years at Cincinnati where he led them to an undefeated season and NY6 bowl. BK was 34-6 with back to back conference titles at Cincy before coming to ND.

If he was only at CMU for 3 years and Cincinnati for 3 years, how did he see a recruiting class through?

 

[Southside Sully]

Ok I work with PJ Fleck's first cousin, he just told me that Oregon, ND and other schools reps have been talking to his agent right now while he focuses on his game this week. He said a few weeks ago they had a good talk about the hype and attention coming his way.. Calls ND his absolute dream job and knows if he wins here, his family would be set for a long time. Oregon is extremely attractive as well because of Nike. He claims that after the game Friday, that Saturday/Sunday he will be on a plane off to interview.. Didn't say where but said that is the plan right now, focus on game worry about next stop after Friday, let agent handle right now. Thats all i got.

 

[tussin]

Ok I work with PJ Fleck's first cousin, he just told me that Oregon, ND and other schools reps have been talking to his agent right now while he focuses on his game this week. He said a few weeks ago they had a good talk about the hype and attention coming his way.. Calls ND his absolute dream job and knows if he wins here, his family would be set for a long time. Oregon is extremely attractive as well because of Nike. He claims that after the game Friday, that Saturday/Sunday he will be on a plane off to interview.. Didn't say where but said that is the plan right now, focus on game worry about next stop after Friday, let agent handle right now. Thats all i got.

This is an amazing "message board-y" update.

 

[NorthDakota]

Ok I work with PJ Fleck's first cousin, he just told me that Oregon, ND and other schools reps have been talking to his agent right now while he focuses on his game this week. He said a few weeks ago they had a good talk about the hype and attention coming his way.. Calls ND his absolute dream job and knows if he wins here, his family would be set for a long time. Oregon is extremely attractive as well because of Nike. He claims that after the game Friday, that Saturday/Sunday he will be on a plane off to interview.. Didn't say where but said that is the plan right now, focus on game worry about next stop after Friday, let agent handle right now. Thats all i got.

You didn't mention rowing the boat once. I don't buy it at all.