Who do you want to replace Brian Kelly?

[Free Manera]

I couldn't agree more with this... Whoever the next DC needs to be allowed to dump every assistant if he wants and build the defense his way.. Get some recruiting studs and get some great D Linemen.. Impose our will

Based on Kelly's track record the only way this happens is if the Board or Swarbrick force his hand. If not he will probably hire another second rate coach that has been on his staff elsewhere so that he could retain his current assistants. He is too much of a power junkie to give up that much control.

Maybe Kelly changes now and surprises us, but history tells us not to expect anything major.

 

[ulukinatme]

Ya'll crazy. Getting too worked up over this. I think there's a good chance BK is coaching this team in 2017, for better or worse.

 

[NDdomer2]

What I got from that article is that it may be difficult to attract a top tier DC because he won't get his pick of staff. Sounds like Kelly is looking to keep current staff plus 1 and hire a DC.

 

[phgreek]

What I got from that article is that it may be difficult to attract a top tier DC because he won't get his pick of staff. Sounds like Kelly is looking to keep current staff plus 1 and hire a DC.

...I hope not. That'd be stupid, and for the powers that be to let that happen would be incompetent.

A guy like Charlie Strong would be a great DC because he wouldn't care if BK got canned or left after '17 because he would be looking for a new HC job anyway. He could take over at any point during the season in '17 should BK get the boot. Patch this bitch together Jackie boy, and start the hunt for the next HC.

 

[Free Manera]

What I got from that article is that it may be difficult to attract a top tier DC because he won't get his pick of staff. Sounds like Kelly is looking to keep current staff plus 1 and hire a DC.

Yep. This is one of the most frustrating things about Kelly. He doesn't change. He wins 4 games and doesn't change. He will probably hire from within for the special teams job too. But I guess it doesn't matter who coaches special teams because according to Kelly there is no time to practice it.

 

[kmoose]

What I got from that article is that it may be difficult to attract a top tier DC because he won't get his pick of staff. Sounds like Kelly is looking to keep current staff plus 1 and hire a DC.

I didn't get that all. I only got that he would consider current coach(es) for the position if they were interested. It's not much different from any management position at any company: Everyone feels better if upper management at least interviews some current employees for the position.

 

[NDRock]

I also doubt Werner left because he doesn't think Kelly will be the coach.. I am sure he left because we don't have a DC.. we went 4-8 and places like Bama and OSU never dip.. They just reload

So he left because Kelly is still the coach? That I agree with.

 

[Irish Insanity]

Ya'll need to let the Chip Kelly dreams die haha. He's as unrealistic as Saban or Harbaugh.

I see you left out Meyer......so you say there's a chance

 

[irish4ever]

I feel like this Kelly stuff hurting recruiting is all in our heads. Every national writer says Kelly is coming back with exception of Pat Forde... I think unless recruits are living on message boards, they have no reason to think Kelly won't be the coach in 17.

For Kelly his focus should be and prob is on hiring the perfect DC.. I would love Elko, Pelini or Strong and if we get any one of them, I think this class stays together pretty well

Any of the (3) would be an improvement from what we had and what we currently have, but I'm not sure Strong would be a good choice because I think that we would be the most likely to be gone within 2 yrs., accepting another HC job .... no "long-term" commitment.

 

[Polish Leppy 22]

Unfortunately from what I read from Eric Hansen, he isn't going anywhere and it would be surprising if he does. So we will miss out of Fleck, imo the type of personality needed to succeed here, and then what is the best case scenario if Kelly stays? He has had 2 successful seasons at ND by that I mean 10 or more wins, and both times he has used that to flirt with other jobs. So best case he have a 10 win season at some point and he flirts with another job and takes it? I just don't see where this gets us.

BK doesn't have many good options and neither does BK, so I assume he will be back next year. As for Fleck, I don't like the idea of any 35 year old with 3 years of HC experience taking over a job like ND.

BK had 20 years of HC experience coming into ND and said it took him two years to learn how to be the HC at ND.

 

[Cali_domer]

Any of the (3) would be an improvement from what we had and what we currently have, but I'm not sure Strong would be a good choice because I think that we would be the most likely to be gone within 2 yrs., accepting another HC job .... no "long-term" commitment.

I hope "our commitment" to Brian Kelly ends next year. So bring in Strong.

 

[Free Manera]

BK doesn't have many good options and neither does BK, so I assume he will be back next year. As for Fleck, I don't like the idea of any 35 year old with 3 years of HC experience taking over a job like ND.

BK had 20 years of HC experience coming into ND and said it took him two years to learn how to be the HC at ND.

Driskell from BGI had a great point about this that I totally bought into. It is much easier to build a program with a young, high energy guy that will recruit tirelessly and get people excited. Guys like Fleck, Franklin, Meyer (although he's getting old he is still a high energy rah rah guy that recruits his ass off), Herman, etc. They will bring in the dudes. You still need good coaches to coach them up though.

However, it is of course difficult to navigate a big time college football program with all of the off-the-field obligations. Therefore if you bring in a young guy, you need to bring in an assistant head coach as an advisor to help with the gladhanding and that crap. Even a guy like Denbrock could probably be good in that role.

 

[dublinirish]

Driskell from ISD had a great point about this that I totally bought into. It is much easier to build a program with a young, high energy guy that will recruit tirelessly and get people excited. Guys like Fleck, Franklin, Meyer (although he's getting old he is still a high energy rah rah guy that recruits his ass off), Herman, etc. They will bring in the dudes. You still need good coaches to coach them up though.

However, it is of course difficult to navigate a big time college football program with all of the off-the-field obligations. Therefore if you bring in a young guy, you need to bring in an assistant head coach as an advisor to help with the gladhanding and that crap. Even a guy like Denbrock could probably be good in that role.

Mike Frank on ISD said same thing. Energy in a HC is more important than experience/playing calling. These things can be brought into the program in the form of assistants/consultants. Sounded like he was saying guys like Herman/Fleck/Harsin etc are better than old guys like Miles/Brian Kelly etc. Gave the example of Dabo Swinney at Clemson, a poor coach who isnt very bright but he recruited his ass off and built a roster that eventually won him some games despite his lesser coaching acumen.

 

[IrishLion]

I see you left out Meyer......so you say there's a chance

Ha, I only left him out because I believe there is a 0.05% chance that his ego and his connections would lead him to a two-season stint at ND before he retires.

 

[Free Manera]

Mike Frank on ISD said same thing. Energy in a HC is more important than experience/playing calling. These things can be brought into the program in the form of assistants/consultants. Sounded like he was saying guys like Herman/Fleck/Harsin etc are better than old guys like Miles/Brian Kelly etc. Gave the example of Dabo Swinney at Clemson, a poor coach who isnt very bright but he recruited his ass off and built a roster that eventually won him some games despite his lesser coaching acumen.

Yep Swinney is another one. He is not a brilliant x's and o's guy, but he doesn't try to be. He brings energy and recruits with the best, then lets his coaches (Venables) coach.

 

[NDRock]

Mike Frank on ISD said same thing. Energy in a HC is more important than experience/playing calling. These things can be brought into the program in the form of assistants/consultants. Sounded like he was saying guys like Herman/Fleck/Harsin etc are better than old guys like Miles/Brian Kelly etc. Gave the example of Dabo Swinney at Clemson, a poor coach who isnt very bright but he recruited his ass off and built a roster that eventually won him some games despite his lesser coaching acumen.

What I like about having a great recruiter as HC is even if he sucks and you have to fire him, the roster is stacked for the next guy. That's why Ty will always be the worst HC in program history. Left us with absolute shit after his first class.

 

[Free Manera]

What I like about having a great recruiter as HC is even if he sucks and you have to fire him, the roster is stacked for the next guy. That's why Ty will always be the worst HC in program history. Left us with absolute shit after his first class.

Absolutely that is why I don't think Fleck is as big of a gamble as others. If he averages 6 wins over 4 years, fire him. But he will probably leave the cupboard stocked for the next guy and we won't be trying to rebuild. Again.

 

[PANDFAN]

WILTFONG-is hearing Elston is very much in the thick of things to be DC....BK will still look and interview outsiders

 

[tussin]

WILTFONG-is hearing Elston is very much in the thick of things to be DC....BK will still look and interview outsiders

Classic.

This program has no momentum. The Kelly crew has the program on a downward trajectory in Year 7 -- why should we think anything will change?

 

[Ndaccountant]

Classic.

This program has no momentum. The Kelly crew has the program on a downward trajectory in Year 7 -- why should we think anything will change?

Why would any notable DC want to come here? BK is more or less done here and is buying time, whether it is one year or more. If you are a top tier DC, why would you move your family and set up shop in South Bend for a coach that doesn't want to be here?

 

[Dizzyphil]

ahhh the good 'ol days.....

http://www.irishenvy.com/forums/notre-dame-football/793-notre-dames-next-coach.html

 

[Irish#1]

Oregonlive.com is making it seem its down to Fleck and Kelly.

to add...The Oregon people are freaking out lol. They seem to think that Brian Kelly needs locked up in a nut house because he has 'anger issues' hahaha

Fleck has said he will not speak to anyone until after the MACCG. Purdue is supposedly ready to offer shortly after the game.

 

[ACamp1900]

ahhh the good 'ol days.....

http://www.irishenvy.com/forums/notre-dame-football/793-notre-dames-next-coach.html

QueensNY, the destroyer of threads... memories.

 

[GowerND11]

Classic.

This program has no momentum. The Kelly crew has the program on a downward trajectory in Year 7 -- why should we think anything will change?

Because we'll see the snippets from Camp Kelly of all the players flipping tires in the freezing cold, coming together to finish drills, sweaty, and breath in the air. Then in the spring, Jack Nolan will have his 1 minute pieces of diving catches, OL/DL battles, etc. and we will exclaim how athletic, and tough that team will be.

 

[IrishLion]

ahhh the good 'ol days.....

http://www.irishenvy.com/forums/notre-dame-football/793-notre-dames-next-coach.html

Ha, Norm Chow.

 

[Wingman Ray]

WILTFONG-is hearing Elston is very much in the thick of things to be DC....BK will still look and interview outsiders

WHY the heck would BK hire/promote a coach that has been a part of the same fail defense the whole time? What kind of moron would do that?

This good ole boy/ hire your friends stuff has to stop!

 

[Free Manera]

Why would any notable DC want to come here? BK is more or less done here and is buying time, whether it is one year or more. If you are a top tier DC, why would you move your family and set up shop in South Bend for a coach that doesn't want to be here?

I think it's more that Kelly doesn't want new blood that he can't control. For the right money a guy like Elko is coming to South Bend. Coordinators generally don't care about head coach situations because good coordinators always have jobs.

Kelly has shown over and over and over that he only hires people from within his network, or people he knows he can control like Sanford.

 

[ThePiombino]

WILTFONG-is hearing Elston is very much in the thick of things to be DC....BK will still look and interview outsiders

This can't be real life

 

[NDRock]

WHY the heck would BK hire/promote a coach that has been a part of the same fail defense the whole time? What kind of moron would do that?

This good ole boy/ hire your friends stuff has to stop!

I'm beginning to think he's just gotten lazy at this point. Funny that when we hired him, the guys at ISD wanted him over Stoops because he had more to prove and was hungrier.

 

[Meatloaf]

Kelly isn't even trying anymore. He clearly doesn't want to be here and the only person who can't see it is Swarbrick.