Who do you want to replace Brian Kelly?

[IrishLax]

I know this is not a popular site her but this breakdown is pretty good.

How's this for a "Kelly Fact Sheet"?

I mean... look, I clearly want Kelly gone. And a lot of that is very poignant. But a lot of that is typical NDNation style junk.

He paints wins against Clay Helton and Ed Orgeron as bad things despite USC playing better under both those coaches. His entire USC is paragraph is just comical mental gymnastics to make it seems like all of those wins over USC were shit... news flash, one of those teams was a top 25 team (final poll). He's critical of winning close last year (which is just a completely asinine argument... all good teams have to win a few close games... see Ohio State just this last week over MSU, etc.), but says nothing about how we lost to the #2/#4 teams in the country by the slimmest of margins. Hmm.

And his close is painfully stupid... he paints field turf as a bad thing (it isn't) and a Jumobtron as a bad thing (it CERTAINLY isn't because the fans in the stadium Saturday [me being one of them] had NO IDEA how bad of a call the PI and lack of targeting were) and says "hideous Shamrock Series uniforms" which is just a euphemism for "I'm a grumpy old person who wants to be mad about everything" and "one of the worst S&C programs" which Rocket89 on here has rather convincingly (IMO) laid out is a smoke-and-mirrors type argument by ignorant people.

Shrug.

 

[zelezo vlk]

I want John Harbaugh or O'Brien.

 

[irishff1014]

I want John Harbaugh or O'Brien.

Only thing John brings is special teams and defense. His awful at picking offensive coordinators. O'Brien isn't laving the NFL.

 

[BobbyMac]

Maybe, but Purdue is just not very attractive period. I could see a mid-level P5 school as HC, but if I'm him, I'm not going anywhere to HC a team that has consistently been in the lower 3rd of a conference. The only thing PU has going for it is it's Engineering School lol... Facilities are not that great, recruiting is an uphill battle, etc. etc...

Purdue is in the process of going to the top of the list when it comes to facilities. They are adding 110,000 sq ft to the existing Mollenkopf facility. On ESPN basketball broadcast they said it would rival Oregon's.

Purdue Football Master Plan | Football Performance Complex

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I'd rather go to a non-P5 school that at least has a history of success (they could be down now but have a history of winnign), or to a top P5 as DC.

Mangini got Kansas in the Top 5. Mullen got Miss St to #1, McCarthy got to #1 at Colorado, Alvarez made Wisconsin a power, Snyder & Barnett took the worst programs in my lifetime and made them NC contenders.

Purdue has a better football history than all those teams minus Wisconsin. I think someone like Fleck would kill it in those new facilities.

 

[Irish#1]

Maybe, but Purdue is just not very attractive period. I could see a mid-level P5 school as HC, but if I'm him, I'm not going anywhere to HC a team that has consistently been in the lower 3rd of a conference. The only thing PU has going for it is it's Engineering School lol... Facilities are not that great, recruiting is an uphill battle, etc. etc...I'd rather go to a non-P5 school that at least has a history of success (they could be down now but have a history of winnign), or to a top P5 as DC.

My Man Mitch is not happy with the direction of the program since Tiller left. Tiller left because the AD was a tight wad. Asst. coaches are having to dip into their own pockets for some recruiting expenses. New AD and a commitment to winning. Will they rule the B1G? Heck no, but they can move back into the upper half of the conference and make a serious run at the title every now and then.

 

[ThePiombino]

Still doesn't solve LSU's desire to find offense though.

Asinine comment is asinine.

 

[ThePiombino]

Apologize if I've missed it but is anyone talking about Mike Macintyre as a possible replacement? He turned 2 programs completely around and is only 51. He also has significant NFL experience as a DB coach which could help a bit with recruiting. I don't view him as an elite candidate but I think he would be an upgrade over BK.

You also think a wet paper towel would be an upgrade, soooo...

 

[IrishLax]

I want John Harbaugh or O'Brien.

Coaches I'd consider "great" hires that would also at least likely answer the phone: John Harbaugh, Bill O'Brien, PJ Fleck, Tom Herman (if not already at Texas)

Coaches I'd consider "acceptable" replacements: Larry Fedora, Dan Mullen, Mike MacIntyre, Matt Rhule

And I'm sure some others. But Harbaugh is super interesting... a lot of people out here seem to think that with only one year left on his deal he may be out if they don't make the playoffs again. Currently sit 5-5 with hard games left to play.

 

[gkIrish]

You also think a wet paper towel would be an upgrade, soooo...

*yawn*

Hold on to BK as long as you want. You have just looked more and more foolish with every loss.

Do you even have any standards?

 

[gkIrish]

Coaches I'd consider "great" hires that would also at least likely answer the phone: John Harbaugh, Bill O'Brien, PJ Fleck, Tom Herman (if not already at Texas)

Coaches I'd consider "acceptable" replacements: Larry Fedora, Dan Mullen, Mike MacIntyre, Matt Rhule

And I'm sure some others. But Harbaugh is super interesting... a lot of people out here seem to think that with only one year left on his deal he may be out if they don't make the playoffs again. Currently sit 5-5 with hard games left to play.

Is there some sort of ND connection or appeal to Harbaugh that would make him a possible option if he gets fired? I feel like he would get an NFL job fairly quickly. However maybe he wants to compete against his brother?

 

[Irish Knuckles]

I know this is not a popular site her but this breakdown is pretty good.

How's this for a "Kelly Fact Sheet"?

wow. I still doubt kelly is gone after this year, but next year is definitely a do or die situation for him. I'm not talking about another 8 win season either.

 

[IrishLax]

Is there some sort of ND connection or appeal to Harbaugh that would make him a possible option if he gets fired? I feel like he would get an NFL job fairly quickly. However maybe he wants to compete against his brother?

He is super Catholic. But yes, he'd almost certainly get another NFL offer as well.

 

[gkIrish]

He is SUPER Catholic.

I will convert to Catholicism if it would guarantee he is our coach next year.

 

[zelezo vlk]

I will convert to Catholicism if it would guarantee he is our coach next year.

I'll make the call and start praying to St Jude. Mass is at 9:30, do dress up.

 

[dublinirish]

no love for Jon Gruden then??

 

[stlnd01]

I think Charlie Strong is a good coach but as I've pointed out before, hiring him as our DC would be problematic.

1) If he is bad, that's a problem.
2) If he is really good, he will just get a HC job at a good program. So it would be a one year rental.
3) There isn't really a scenario where BK gets fired and Strong replaces him. If our defense is good enough to make Strong a candidate, that would very likely mean our team was good enough overall for BK to keep his job. I guess the only scenario would be BK bolting for the NFL or something but I don't see that happening.

Basically the only scenario where Strong makes sense is if we are a playoff contender and he could help get us there. But I don't see a 4-8 team turning things around so drastically that we win 11 games.

Fair points. But I guess I'm thinking shorter term on this.
For one, if we don't win 10 or 11 games next year Kelly is likely gone. So there's high odds Strong is a one-year rental regardless. If he does well and moves on quick, OK. At least we got a good year. If we do poorly but the defense responds well to him, he is at least a plausible candidate for the head job. And even if BK does right the ship it's hard to see him staying more than two or three years, which is where the potential successor thing comes into play.
I agree it's unlikely Strong actually becomes our next head coach (actually, best odds are if they fire BK on Sunday). And I'm not sure he should.
But he is a realistic successor and having him in the fold gives Swarbrick a lot more options when the time comes. Not to mention he is a widely respected coach and classy guy who's done a lot of good things at Texas and is beloved by his players.

 

[ThePiombino]

*yawn*

Hold on to BK as long as you want. You have just looked more and more foolish with every loss.

Do you even have any standards?

Actually, despite what you may think, ND's losses don't reflect on me at all. Funny how that works, but you keep on beating that drum... Hey, the site isn't sure -- where do you stand on BK? Should he stay or should he go?

 

[connor_in]

Jim Tressel?

 

[irish4ever]

I know this is not a popular site her but this breakdown is pretty good.

How's this for a "Kelly Fact Sheet"?

"Yes, that's right, Kelly has a worse record against ranked teams than Ty Willingham." Plus, Ty is probably a better golfer than Kelly also!

 

[greyhammer90]

I'd be cool with John H. just for the massive amount of hype in 2019.

 

[SavIrish]

Jim Tressel?

Yes please

 

[GATTACA!]

Coaches I'd consider "great" hires that would also at least likely answer the phone: John Harbaugh, Bill O'Brien, PJ Fleck, Tom Herman (if not already at Texas)

Coaches I'd consider "acceptable" replacements: Larry Fedora, Dan Mullen, Mike MacIntyre, Matt Rhule

And I'm sure some others. But Harbaugh is super interesting... a lot of people out here seem to think that with only one year left on his deal he may be out if they don't make the playoffs again. Currently sit 5-5 with hard games left to play.

Pass.

Those are at best marginal upgrades over Kelly and then you've locked yourself into another mediocre coach for at least 3-4 years.

Also I think you also have to at least make Urban say no. Throw everything plus the kitchen sink at him and hope for a miracle.

 

[BobbyMac]

Actually, despite what you may think, ND's losses don't reflect on me at all. Funny how that works, but you keep on beating that drum... Hey, the site isn't sure -- where do you stand on BK? Should he stay or should he go?

 

[greyhammer90]

Pass.

Those are at best marginal upgrades over Kelly and then you've locked yourself into another mediocre coach for at least 3-4 years.

Also I think you also have to at least make Urban say no. Throw everything plus the kitchen sink at him and hope for a miracle.

Swarbrick: "Hey Ur-"

Meyer: "No."

Swarbrick: "But I think if you just heard me ou-"

Meyer: "No."

Swarbrick: "Ok well happy holid-"

Meyer: "No."

 

[Irish Knuckles]

Fair points. But I guess I'm thinking shorter term on this.
For one, if we don't win 10 or 11 games next year Kelly is likely gone. So there's high odds Strong is a one-year rental regardless. If he does well and moves on quick, OK. At least we got a good year. If we do poorly but the defense responds well to him, he is at least a plausible candidate for the head job. And even if BK does right the ship it's hard to see him staying more than two or three years, which is where the potential successor thing comes into play.
I agree it's unlikely Strong actually becomes our next head coach (actually, best odds are if they fire BK on Sunday). And I'm not sure he should.
But he is a realistic successor and having him in the fold gives Swarbrick a lot more options when the time comes. Not to mention he is a widely respected coach and classy guy who's done a lot of good things at Texas and is beloved by his players.

we also might be one of the few places that can land him as a dc. i'm sure he'll have some mid-major hc opportunities.

 

[gkIrish]

Actually, despite what you may think, ND's losses don't reflect on me at all. Funny how that works, but you keep on beating that drum... Hey, the site isn't sure -- where do you stand on BK? Should he stay or should he go?

Ironic that you have twice today made sure to let everyone know that you are tired of me without making a single substantive point. By the way, you chose to enter two specific threads dedicated to questioning BK. Live with it.

Keep beating that drum.

 

[Hammer Of The Gods]

Jim Tressel?

Absolutely. I mentioned this a month or so ago. I think he would be a great hire and would bring in a super staff.

 

[SoIll]

Jim Tressel? LOL..

 

[connor_in]

Jim Tressel? LOL..

I figured he would be more likely that Saban, Urban, Chuckie

 

[BobbyMac]

Swarbrick: "Hey Ur-"

Meyer: "No."

Swarbrick: "But I think if you just heard me ou-"

Meyer: "No."

Swarbrick: "Ok well happy holid-"

Meyer: "No."

Soon after...

[Phone rings]

Urban see's the 574 area code and lets the answering grab it...

Voice on phone: "Hey Urban, Scott Malpass here. I have a $100M check and a 7yr contract sitting here on my desk that Jack....

Urban: Hey Buddy! Was just on the other line with Mayflower... what a coincidence!


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