Who do you want to replace Brian Kelly?

[ScooterIrish]

LSU desperately needs an offensive mind and already has a grade-A DC in place. Why not BK to LSU. Wouldn't be the worst coaching move made this off-season.

Still doesn't solve LSU's desire to find offense though.

 

[BobbyMac]

Whats Louisville pay? Is it comparable to ND? I'm with you though. Best case scenario is BK decides to hit the streets. I think that is more likely than us telling him bye bye.

Around $4.5M with the $500k academic bonus he'll get every year for reaching his APR goal.

 

[dublinirish]

Still doesn't solve LSU's desire to find offense though.

you dont think BK could improve their offense? c'mon now

 

[Wild Bill]

Still doesn't solve LSU's desire to find offense though.

But they'd finally master the forward pass. Baby steps.

 

[BobbyMac]

And ND?

Who the hell knows. The best for the job, the most deserving (resume), the coach du jour and the most acceptable to the BoT are 4 distinct verticals. I did a CBA for all 4 and came up with Dan Mullen as my winner.

 

[Pops Freshenmeyer]

A quick google shows a number of pundits suggesting Kelly to LSU but I didn't see any rumors which suggested there was anything more to it than writer speculation.

 

[BobbyMac]

But they'd finally master the forward pass. Baby steps.

Except on 3rd and shorts when the horizontal pass, behind a 5-0, 100lb slot/blocker, is the preferred set up for the punter.

 

[drayer54]

What about Charlie Strong for the defense?

 

[BobbyMac]

A quick google shows a number of pundits suggesting Kelly to LSU but I didn't see any rumors which suggested there was anything more to it than writer speculation.

There are more than rumors, just hadn't been public yet... until footballscoop.com printed it. Link posted above.

 

[NDgradstudent]

The whole possible coaching change period is like being a young kid around Christmas. What will I get? What will my brother get?

(I suspect we will be getting coal.)

 

[Pops Freshenmeyer]

There are more than rumors, just hadn't been public yet... until footballscoop.com printed it. Link posted above.

Ah, thank you.

Under the current circumstances I'm thinking rumors like this would only be happening if Kelly actually did want out. It's not like he's in any position to leverage anything from ND. And the only way this would be workable from his perspective is a mutual termination of the contract (as LSU isn't going to take care of his termination fees AND pay him a ton of money).

 

[Irishize]

McIntyre leads a team bible study, when asked for his favorite band picked a Christian rock band, and openly talks about God getting him through his tough times at Colorado. He's evagelical though.

Works for me. I'll take that all day long....provided he's a winner Thanks Perth.

 

[Irishize]

The more I think about BK to LSU, the more unrealistic it sounds. Their fan base & alums would be infuriated at his hiring. The only way that scenario makes sense is if everyone else turned LSU down and he was the fall back guy. But that won't happen...this is LSU...not ND. You'd be nuts to turn a gig down in one of the most fertile states at producting NFL talent where the majority would go to LSU regardless of HC. If Jimbo turns them down, I could see LSU dumping Alleva and hiring both Petrino and Jurich as a package deal. That way Petrino doesn't betray the guy who gave him one last shot at the big time.

 

[gkIrish]

Apologize if I've missed it but is anyone talking about Mike Macintyre as a possible replacement? He turned 2 programs completely around and is only 51. He also has significant NFL experience as a DB coach which could help a bit with recruiting. I don't view him as an elite candidate but I think he would be an upgrade over BK.

 

[gkIrish]

The more I think about BK to LSU, the more unrealistic it sounds. Their fan base & alums would be infuriated at his hiring. The only way that scenario makes sense is if everyone else turned LSU down and he was the fall back guy. But tha won't happen...this is LSU...not ND. You'd be nuts to turn a gig down in one of the most fertile states at productions NFL talent where the majority would go to LSU regardless of HC. If Jimbo turns them down, I could see LSU dumping Alleva and hiring both Petrino and Jurich as a package deal. That way Petrino doesn't betray the guy who gave him one last shot at the big time.

LSU fans would explode if they hired a coach coming off a 4-8 season. As would basically any other top program.

 

[Irishize]

LSU fans would explode if they hired a coach coming off a 4-8 season. As would basically any other top program.

Yup

 

[Irishize]

Apologize if I've missed it but is anyone talking about Mike Macintyre as a possible replacement? He turned 2 programs completely around and is only 51. He also has significant NFL experience as a DB coach which could help a bit with recruiting. I don't view him as an elite candidate but I think he would be an upgrade over BK.

FWIW: Dan Wolken said MacIntyre was the first name that came to mind for ND if they made a change. He stressed he fully expects Kelly to stay at ND

 

[irishff1014]

Apologize if I've missed it but is anyone talking about Mike Macintyre as a possible replacement? He turned 2 programs completely around and is only 51. He also has significant NFL experience as a DB coach which could help a bit with recruiting. I don't view him as an elite candidate but I think he would be an upgrade over BK.

I have to read up on him more. But i saw a report somewhere today that he is being considered for Baylor job.

If he can handle ND i wold think ND could/should beat Baylor's offer.

 

[stlnd01]

What about Charlie Strong for the defense?

Assuming Kelly is coming back, I hope we would take a long hard look at Strong for DC. I don't know why it didn't work out at Texas - the administration seems messed up in ways we can't even imagine - but he's a good coach. He could probably get a second-tier head job somewhere, but if we paid up and held open the possibility, at least, that he could replace BK when the time comes (maybe even next year!) I could see how that would be more attractive than, say, Purdue.

 

[gkIrish]

Assuming Kelly is coming back, I hope we would take a long hard look at Strong for DC. I don't know why it didn't work out at Texas - the administration seems messed up in ways we can't even imagine - but he's a good coach. He could probably get a second-tier head job somewhere, but if we paid up and held open the possibility, at least, that he could replace BK when the time comes (maybe even next year!) I could see how that would be more attractive than, say, Purdue.

I think Charlie Strong is a good coach but as I've pointed out before, hiring him as our DC would be problematic.

1) If he is bad, that's a problem.
2) If he is really good, he will just get a HC job at a good program. So it would be a one year rental.
3) There isn't really a scenario where BK gets fired and Strong replaces him. If our defense is good enough to make Strong a candidate, that would very likely mean our team was good enough overall for BK to keep his job. I guess the only scenario would be BK bolting for the NFL or something but I don't see that happening.

Basically the only scenario where Strong makes sense is if we are a playoff contender and he could help get us there. But I don't see a 4-8 team turning things around so drastically that we win 11 games.

 

[Cali_domer]

I know this is not a popular site her but this breakdown is pretty good.

How's this for a "Kelly Fact Sheet"?

 

[irishff1014]

Apologize if I've missed it but is anyone talking about Mike Macintyre as a possible replacement? He turned 2 programs completely around and is only 51. He also has significant NFL experience as a DB coach which could help a bit with recruiting. I don't view him as an elite candidate but I think he would be an upgrade over BK.

34-50 record isn't going to help him much.

 

[gkIrish]

34-50 record isn't going to help him much.

He inherited awful teams. Again, I don't view him as an elite candidate but I am so ready to move on from BK that I would consider giving him a chance.

 

[BobbyMac]

I know this is not a popular site her but this breakdown is pretty good.

How's this for a "Kelly Fact Sheet"?

Funny you just posted that. I was on the phone with my buddy and he said, "How do you not fire the losingest coach in your programs history?" It was sorta tongue and cheek but profound at the same time since it's not like Bear Bryant or Woody Hayes being the losingest coaches at their schools. Kelly simply accomplished the honor in record time to add insult to injury.

 

[Bluto]

I know this is not a popular site her but this breakdown is pretty good.

How's this for a "Kelly Fact Sheet"?

I'm convinced Kelly should be shown the door. Add to the above the fact Kelly hired and retained the guy that orchestrated some of the worst defenses in ND history with a bunch of guys now playing in the NFL and it's an open and shut case.

 

[Irish#1]

Assuming Kelly is coming back, I hope we would take a long hard look at Strong for DC. I don't know why it didn't work out at Texas - the administration seems messed up in ways we can't even imagine - but he's a good coach. He could probably get a second-tier head job somewhere, but if we paid up and held open the possibility, at least, that he could replace BK when the time comes (maybe even next year!) I could see how that would be more attractive than, say, Purdue.

A HC at a B1G school or DC at ND? Assuming he still wants to be a HC I think Strong would pick Purdue rather than be DC and wait for another opportunity.

 

[Irish YJ]

A HC at a B1G school or DC at ND? Assuming he still wants to be a HC I think Strong would pick Purdue rather than be DC and wait for another opportunity.

Maybe, but Purdue is just not very attractive period. I could see a mid-level P5 school as HC, but if I'm him, I'm not going anywhere to HC a team that has consistently been in the lower 3rd of a conference. The only thing PU has going for it is it's Engineering School lol... Facilities are not that great, recruiting is an uphill battle, etc. etc...I'd rather go to a non-P5 school that at least has a history of success (they could be down now but have a history of winnign), or to a top P5 as DC.

 

[zelezo vlk]

Maybe, but Purdue is just not very attractive period. I could see a mid-level P5 school as HC, but if I'm him, I'm not going anywhere to HC a team that has consistently been in the lower 3rd of a conference. The only thing PU has going for it is it's Engineering School lol... Facilities are not that great, recruiting is an uphill battle, etc. etc...I'd rather go to a non-P5 school that at least has a history of success (they could be down now but have a history of winnign), or to a top P5 as DC.

Supposedly Purdue is willing to put resources in to be competitive again. I imagine they'll crawl out of the dumpster, but I don't think they'll be competing for the Big 10.

Edit: Also, I'm assuming that we want whomever replaces BK to start recruiting over the limit in order to compensate for attrition?

 

[IrishLion]

What does it tell you about the intelligence of the decision-makers at ND that whether or not BK gets fired depends upon whether or not we lose to USC by 20 instead of 50?

That wasn't an actual prediction. It was a tongue-in-cheek way of saying that it is going to take something extreme for BK to get the boot this year. Something noticeable and embarrassing enough that the money people say "f*ck it, give Jack the money he needs. I'll sell my yacht if I need to and buy a new one in three years."

 

[Irish YJ]

Supposedly Purdue is willing to put resources in to be competitive again. I imagine they'll crawl out of the dumpster, but I don't think they'll be competing for the Big 10.

Edit: Also, I'm assuming that we want whomever replaces BK to start recruiting over the limit in order to compensate for attrition?

They could have Oregon's facilities and never be able to compete (recruiting and performance) with the schools in their backyard (ND, scUM, OSU, MSU) IMO.

I don't think ND will ever try to recruit "over" the limit on a consistent basis. Maybe on coaching-change year they try to turn over more rocks just in case, but ND may also be the recipient of kids following the incoming coach as well. All about the timing.