UFOs, Paranormal, Pseudoscience Thread

[phork]

I think kids are way open to this and as they age they lose this ability. I believe its the Awe and Wonder of a child and obviously as you age the Awe and Wonder turn to reality. Most people lose the ability.

My son was 4 or 5 when my wife and mother in law took him to the cemetary to visit a relative. After being there a few minutes my wife noticed my son standing at a rather elaborate gravesite, almost in a trance. The short of that is he explained to my wife that there was a gate there with stone pillars with writing that was glowing white. A man or presence beyond the gate in the bright light was beckoning him to come into the gate.

Another incident my wife was watching him play in his room, standing at the door way. He didn't notice her there, or she though he didn't. He then told my wife, without looking at her, that she could come in. His friends were watching her. She asked what friends and his reply was that they were all standing behind her.

We've had many encounters in our house. One involved, as noted above, a little one running from one bedroom across the hall to another. Things tossed from closed cupboards. Stuff being shoved off tables or counters. Messing with us in our sleep. Anything thats been too naughty or disruptive has been asked to leave, most have.

 

[Irish#1]

To be honest I'm not sure which way I lean when it comes to the paranormal, but I'm not sold it's 100% explainable either.

Several years ago my wife and I visited the cemetery where my grandma and grandpa were buried. He died in 1962 when I was 10. She lived to be 105 before she passed. We're having trouble locating the gravesite as I hadn't been there in a long long time. We spent almost an hour looking with no avail. I'm about t give up, when I'm thinking to myself, "Ok grandma, I need some help finding you." All of a sudden I remember a stand of trees were close by when we buried her. I look around and see some trees. Sure enough, I start walking that direction and found the site. Divine guidance?

My wife doesn't claim to be a physic, but she's made plenty of statements that have come true to the point everyone in our family and her friends believe she has some ability. As an example..........a friend she hadn't seen for a couple of years gave her a call at work. Her friend mentions they had gotten a dog since they last saw each other and it was pregnant. Before her friend could say anything else, my wife tells her the day the pups will be born and how many. Nailed it on the head.

She can't explain it and she can't force herself to make predictions. They just have to come natural to her.

 

[IrishinTN]

I can speak from some personal experiences here. I know most folks don't believe it, and I get that. But I am talking firsthand things here. Not hearsay. I'll start with UFO's.

In 1977, when I was 10, my family and i started seeing a strange object flying around Pennsylvania. We always saw it at night and the thing was it didnt have plane-type lights. We sometimes saw it at dusk and it had and obvous boomerang shape and it barely made a noise. We would see it while driving down the highway and pull off to watch it. It always went very slowly. I remember staring at it wondering what the heck it could be, but then I'd bring my head down and see other cars had also pulled off and were staring and pointing at it.

We also had neighbor who was a huge skeptic and used to laugh at us until we saw it from our backyard one day and basically dragged him and his family out of their house to see it. The whole time he stood there, mystified, saying "This is incredible...incredbile." But the next day he changed his tune and decided we all had been seeing things.

You might laugh all that off as just misinterpreting some other flying object, however we had a very vivid experience with it. My father, brother and I were walking into my elementary school for open house. It was dark, but had not been dark for long. As we walked in, we could hear a distinct humming. We looked up and there it was. It was freaking HUGE. Bigger than all three little league baseball fields to our right (all three were together in a triangle with their outfields touching). And I remember how big the four lights were along the front and, for lack of a better term, the wings. And it moved soooo slow. Less than 10 mph. It was graceful, beautiful and scary.

Through that year my mom kept a record of when we saw it, where we saw it and the dates. She sent it all to the Air Force, but, as you can imagine, another ever happened with it.

Then, about half way through 1978, it just disappeared and we never saw it again. I still scan the skies just in case, but in the 40 years since then, not one time.

 

[BobbyMac]

I'll start with UFO's.

In 1977, when I was 10, my family and i started seeing a strange object flying around Pennsylvania. .

Clearly the ND Swag Chopper taking Montana to and fro.

SOLVED!

 

[Dizzyphil]

I don't know how many of you watch Ancient Aliens but my Wife and I record them so we do not miss any episodes. There are some episodes we have saved to show friends and family - the 'coincidental' in some of the episodes is rather eerie sometimes - but also educational.

My take on UFOs and Aliens???? The U.S. Government sure spends a lot of money and time trying to disprove something they say does not exist......

Ancient Aliens episodes you should try and watch:

Unexplained Structures
The Tesla Experiment
Secrets of the Pyramids
The Majestic Twelve

 

[IrishinTN]

Clearly the ND Swag Chopper taking Montana to and fro.

SOLVED!

Dammit. And I never got an autograph.

 

[Old Man Mike]

TN: your encounter is a classic. A guy named Philip Imbrogno wrote a book titled NIGHT SIEGE, which documented several hundred of these giant boomerang cases over the Hudson Valley region in the early 1980s. You and your family "scooped" them by about 5 years.

Irish1: your wife is like my grandmother Curtin was --- she had the "second sight" on a lot of things. One instance: my Mom and Dad swore a pact that no one would tell Grandma that Mom was pregnant (during WWII; we in WVA and she in Chicago.) Grandma just called up one day, announced that Mom was pregnant and she was packed and ready to bus it to WVA --- utterly wild for a former non-traveled Wisconsin farm girl. They had a he!l of a time talking her out of the 500+ mile trip to the WVA boondocks (Dad was creating TNT for the bombs --- rather dangerous so WAY away from anywhere.)

Dizzy: don't want to be a party-pooper but keep your crap-detectors up and fully functional about ANYTHING on Ancient Aliens. GENERALLY SPEAKING, that is the biggest pile of BS you can get on television. Constantly gives serious UFO researchers public problems getting people to take any of our stuff seriously. (I know many of those "producers" and they're in it for the money purely.)

 

[BobbyMac]

So here's a weird story for you guys. Has anyone ever heard of Powwowing or Braucherei?

Well turns out my Dad's family has a long history of some sort of witchery / healing. My Grandmother would tell me later that my Dad had what they called, "the touch". He inherited this from her Mother, who in turn got it from her grandfather. Supposedly it skips a generation and switches sexes to the oldest of that generation. Besides that, my Grandma acted as though she knew little more about it even though it was her Mom he inherited it from, at least while he was alive.

My childhood friend, (who lurks here on IE) and I talked about what I'm about to share just this morning as this thread got me thinking about it. Here it is:

My friend had a line of warts (we guessed warts at least) on the palm of his hand that extended from his pinky down to his wrist and over to his thumb. They were very prominent and painful when they'd crack and bleed. He'd had them since elementary school, so he figured at least 5 years by that time.

He was over at our house, the topic of his hand condition came up and my Dad looked at it and asked him if he wanted them taken off? My friends like, "With what, wart remover? Doesn't work. I have to get them burned off." My Dad simply said, "No, I won't use anything, you just have to believe." Of course, we both think it's some joke my Dad's about to pull and my buddy plays along. My Dad rubs his own hands together, grabs my buddy's hand, turns it palm side up and starts rubbing his thumbs across the warts while lightly mumbling something. I look at at my Dad and he's staring right into my buddy's eyes, with the strangest look on his face, eyes squinting and a sh!t eating grin. I just knew he was going to yell, BOO! at any second. Instead he asked him real quietly, "You believe right?" My buddy says... sure. He does it for a total of 20-30 seconds and stops. He then says, "Done" and walks away. I'm a little freaked out that my Dad would act like that without a punch line and then thought he's just trying to freak us out and THAT'S the joke. Well...... a week and half later there's not a trace of the warts left on his hand. When we ask him about it all he said was, it's something my Grandma gave me and that's all I can tell you." It's not the only time he did it either. He fixed some eye problem one of his employees had in the same manner. Me and my friend would jokingly refer to him as Dr. Bombay from then on (the Witch Doctor from Bewitched). He only did it those two times that i knew of but after he died, a lot of his family brought it up to me but never in depth, like they were trying to see what I knew. There was also an incredible claim my Grandmother made before she died that's too much to share.

I can say this though, my Dad called the second he would die. It was a little over a year after my Mom died - on her birthday to be exact - he was set to be released from the hospital after a brief respiratory illness... was doing fine by the Dr.'s account. I'm there with my Grandma and step-grandpa, he calls me in after the Dr walks out, we have a weird conversation about his video store chain which I helped run while in college, we talk too briefly about some personal stuff and he tells me he won't be going home with me today. He then asked me to send in his Mom. She talks to him for about a minute then she starts crying and we can hear him tell her "it's ok Mama" and then she really starts crying at the same time the nurses run from the station right across from the room. I run back in just ahead of them and he's dead. Told my Grandma, it was time for him to go, said I love you and look after the kids, closed his eyes and flat-lined.

Mysterious dude. And there's A LOT more.

 

[Circa]

If anyone wants to have their "hypothetical mind blown," go listen to Joe Rogan Experience Episode 725 and 872. Both episodes feature Randall Carlson and Graham Hancock and they discuss a theory of What and How the North American ice age ended and a possible event that triggered it. Like I said its mind blowing stuff. They also touch base a little bit on Atlantis, Ancient Egypt being much older than mainstream science claims it is, and the Gobekli Tepe site in present day turkey.

Graham has a tendency to be a bit over the top, while trying to maintain a logical approach. But Randall is much more reserved and calculated.

I'm bringing this up in this thread because the theory they discuss is not accepted by mainstream science. Regardless it's very interesting stuff. You can find the podcast episodes on Youtube.

Mind blowing? Are you human? Just pay attention to the conspiracy stuff a lil more. JFK, Martin Luther King, Maid Marian AKA Princess Die, 9/11, the recent Vegas fiasco........ It's time not only Jewish men from Hollywood get made' in their britches. It's almost time "we the minority public" see the truth as reality

 

[Dizzyphil]

Dizzy: don't want to be a party-pooper but keep your crap-detectors up and fully functional about ANYTHING on Ancient Aliens. GENERALLY SPEAKING, that is the biggest pile of BS you can get on television. Constantly gives serious UFO researchers public problems getting people to take any of our stuff seriously. (I know many of those "producers" and they're in it for the money purely.)

I understand what you are saying. We enjoy the series very much.

We home-school our boys and have had them research the Pyramids, The Mayans, Tesla's inventions, and the 'structures' such as Stonehenge, Easter Island, etc... My wife has a doctorate and myself a MBA so, we have somewhat a clear education behind us to know somewhat what BS is on a lot of these shows. I'm 50 so, I've learned what can and can't be pulled over my eyes. (I think, or at least hope)

I do hope you don't let some of the idiots on here curb you in explaining, rebutting, and leading us on some direction of what is good and bad as you did with me. I take it as a learning experience. And I hope to learn more.

Thank you very much for the insight.

 

[Section20Row27]

Spring Break 1986.

6 of my friends and myself decided to go to Florida for spring break. Our plan was to drive from Chicago to Florida straight thru. We took an old Chevy van, and took turns driving and being co-pilots.

It was approximately 2am. We were somewhere in Georgia on a stretch of highway that was remote. My friend was driving, and I was the navigator. As you can imagine, the night sky was full of stars, but I notice a light that appears to be traveling with us. The light was as bright as a star but appeared bigger...like it was closer to us compared to the rest of the stars. I finally asked my friend if he noticed the light too, and he replied that he did.

We started to watch the light more closely. After approximately a half hour, the light appeared to be approaching us. It was getting bigger and brighter. We pulled over to the side of the road. The rest of our friends woke up and asked what was wrong. We told them to look up, and they saw the object too. By this time, the light was close to us and it had stopped. It was so bright that we could not make out any shape. It hovered there for about 5 minutes. Then the one big light split up into 5 smaller lights, and they hovered there for about a minute. In a split second, all 5 lights took off in different directions - almost equal and opposite if that makes sense. The speed of the moving objects was lightning quick and there was no noise.

None of us could comprehend what we saw...it was unnatural and defied any technology we had seen previously...or since...

 

[Irish#1]

Enjoy the stories gents. Keep them coming. NDC, you teased us too much about your dad. You'll need to share more.

My wife also knew the general area where a murdered lady was. The husband had killed her and had been arrested, but they never found the body. Several years later he finally tells the police where he left the body and it was the same area she mentioned to me.


OMM............Yeah, I'm not sure what you call whatever it is my wife has, but it must resonate from her somehow. Animals will gravitate toward her over everyone else that's around.

 

[Old Man Mike]

20/27: Nice case. It is what some of us now believe to be a "display" case specifically for the witnesses --- notice that no one else would see the same pacing/posing/dispersing "act" that you guys did. (I helped get this idea into the UFO discussion by "discovering" that there were about two dozen cases --- just those I located --- where the special or privileged viewing position was just an area a few yards wide. These cases were of objects which seemed to the viewers to be deliberately circling astronomical bodies like the Moon or Planets or bright stars, but could have only been seen that way --- due to parallax --- from just their tight position.)

What CAN'T be determined from this is WHY these displays happen for individuals when the phenomenon refuses to do anything convincing to the whole culture --- like the old "landing at the Super Bowl" thing. All that the long term researchers can say is that this, whatever it is, "wants" to be very obvious to scattered individuals, while remaining culturally at-a-distance. AND it has the surveillance ability to know exactly what it can do to maintain that. Quite fascinating to say the least, as it's difficult not to see intelligence in this.

 

[Irish#1]

20/27: Nice case. It is what some of us now believe to be a "display" case specifically for the witnesses --- notice that no one else would see the same pacing/posing/dispersing "act" that you guys did. (I helped get this idea into the UFO discussion by "discovering" that there were about two dozen cases --- just those I located --- where the special or privileged viewing position was just an area a few yards wide. These cases were of objects which seemed to the viewers to be deliberately circling astronomical bodies like the Moon or Planets or bright stars, but could have only been seen that way --- due to parallax --- from just their tight position.)

What CAN'T be determined from this is WHY these displays happen for individuals when the phenomenon refuses to do anything convincing to the whole culture --- like the old "landing at the Super Bowl" thing. All that the long term researchers can say is that this, whatever it is, "wants" to be very obvious to scattered individuals, while remaining culturally at-a-distance. AND it has the surveillance ability to know exactly what it can do to maintain that. Quite fascinating to say the least, as it's difficult not to see intelligence in this.

This is one reason skeptics downplay the possibility of UFO's. Isolated incidents with small audiences.

 

[connor_in]

This is one reason skeptics downplay the possibility of UFO's. Isolated incidents with small audiences.

I have heard people discuss in terms of like a Star Trek prime directive kind of thing. As part of myth and legend without major proof, they don't impact society as a whole.

 

[Dizzyphil]

Mike,

Have you read the books, "Return to Earth" by Aldrin?

Phillip

 

[IrishinTN]

So, since this thread also mentioned paranormal, my first house I lived in was built by my dad. It was an entirely new subdivision. Lots of things started happening right away- footsteps in the basement when my mom or dad were upstairs. They think its me or my bother and come down to look and see nothing. Then the footsteps run across the floor above them. Again they go up...no one home.

My grandmother was watching my brother and I one night and we had one of those big floor model tv's (I'm talking about 1972 here) and the button goes in and the tv turns off (ironically we were watching the Ghost and Mrs Muir!). Knowing the things that had been happening, my grandmother yells out "you turn that back on!" Knob comes back out, tv goes back on.

My brother and I had bunk beds in our bedroom. They were on the opposite wall of the window. I was laying in the bed looking out the window, it was a six pane window, and suddenty, in the middle pane an image starts appearing of an old man's face; his head dropped back, eyes closed and mouth open like he was singing or something. Only that pane. No other pane had anything. I asked my brother "do you see that?" and he happened to be looking at the exact same time and said "yeah!" and we both ran out of the room screaming. My mom tried to calm us to tell her what happened but the face had already disappeared again.

One of the scariest was my mom and grandmother sitting in the living room, which was the first room of the house. They sat there talking when suddenly they heard a soft scratching at the bottom of the front door, like a cat trying to get in. The thing is, there was a closed storm door so my mom thought something somehow got trapped between the doors. As they sat there a few more minutes, the scratching got louder and higher on the door until the scratching was in the middle of the door and it was actually shaking. My mom went to the front window to see if anyone was at the door, but no one was there. Screwing up her courage, she went the door and yanked it open...to nothing. Just a warm, spring day outside.

We moved shortly after that.

 

[Rack Em]

How do you people not shit your pants when you experience stuff like this?

 

[TDHeysus]

the setup:
ok, I have always had some modererate issues getting to sleep that persist to this day, however during this time ('88-'91) my sleeping was at its worst. I had a surreal 'episode', some may call an out of body experience one morning when getting ready for school.

This 'episode' starts with me laying in my bed asleep in the very early morning (it's still dark outside). I feel myself start to rise up off my bed (pivoting on my feet) as I am 'rising' I feel myself turn around to the point I was now looking down at myself asleep. It really felt like I was awake and floating, while watching myself sleep. This whole time, I felt very uneasy, but comfortable and not threatened in anyway.

Now as part of my normal 'morning routine' back then, I had 2 alarms that were set to go off 8mins apart. The first alarm goes off, I would then turn it off and go back to sleep until the second one will go off about 8mins later, and the 2nd alarm is when I would actually get out of bed.

Back to the 'episode' - as I am watching myself sleep the first alarm goes off and I watch myself hit the snooze button. Then after some time goes by I watch myself hit the snooze button again (all while 'floating' and watching myself). After the 2nd alarm, I watch myself get up, and sit at the end of the bed. I then watch myself grab a towel and walk out of my room and shut the door. As soon as I walk out of the room and the door shuts, the door immediately opens RIGHT BACK UP and I walk back into my room and sit back down at the end of bed; I can clearly see that I took a shower because I was covered with a towel and soaked wet. Strange thing with that, is that the door opened up right after I left the room, making it seem as if I took a shower instantaneously.

the ending:

The next thing I remember, I was no longer 'floating, watching myself' from the corner of the room, but I am actually sitting on the end of the bed (where I last watched myself sit down) completely soaked wet. Except, I was no longer covered with a towel as I had previously saw myself, instead I was sitting there with all of my school clothes on and I was still soaked wet. It was like I took a shower and never dried off, and just put all my clothes on; my hair was still wet.

Even somewhat more peculiar - Initially, I didn't think anything of all this...I dried off, put on some other clothes then went to school. It wasn't till about 3rd period that day I started to think, what the hell happened this morning??

 

[RDU Irish]

the setup:
ok, I have always had some modererate issues getting to sleep that persist to this day, however during this time ('88-'91) my sleeping was at its worst. I had a surreal 'episode', some may call an out of body experience one morning when getting ready for school.

This 'episode' starts with me laying in my bed asleep in the very early morning (it's still dark outside). I feel myself start to rise up off my bed (pivoting on my feet) as I am 'rising' I feel myself turn around to the point I was now looking down at myself asleep. It really felt like I was awake and floating, while watching myself sleep. This whole time, I felt very uneasy, but comfortable and not threatened in anyway.

Now as part of my normal 'morning routine' back then, I had 2 alarms that were set to go off 8mins apart. The first alarm goes off, I would then turn it off and go back to sleep until the second one will go off about 8mins later, and the 2nd alarm is when I would actually get out of bed.

Back to the 'episode' - as I am watching myself sleep the first alarm goes off and I watch myself hit the snooze button. Then after some time goes by I watch myself hit the snooze button again (all while 'floating' and watching myself). After the 2nd alarm, I watch myself get up, and sit at the end of the bed. I then watch myself grab a towel and walk out of my room and shut the door. As soon as I walk out of the room and the door shuts, the door immediately opens RIGHT BACK UP and I walk back into my room and sit back down at the end of bed; I can clearly see that I took a shower because I was covered with a towel and soaked wet. Strange thing with that, is that the door opened up right after I left the room, making it seem as if I took a shower instantaneously.

the ending:

The next thing I remember, I was no longer 'floating, watching myself' from the corner of the room, but I am actually sitting on the end of the bed (where I last watched myself sit down) completely soaked wet. Except, I was no longer covered with a towel as I had previously saw myself, instead I was sitting there with all of my school clothes on and I was still soaked wet. It was like I took a shower and never dried off, and just put all my clothes on; my hair was still wet.

Even somewhat more peculiar - Initially, I didn't think anything of all this...I dried off, put on some other clothes then went to school. It wasn't till about 3rd period that day I started to think, what the hell happened this morning??

I'm betting 3rd period is when you noticed you forgot deodorant.

 

[RDU Irish]

How do you people not shit your pants when you experience stuff like this?

I get kind of spooked by my wife. Doesn't help kids are constantly waking me at 4AM for various reasons. Every bump in the night has me wondering wtf is going on and I have had some vivid dreams that freak me out - all in my head but I directly inspired by some this shit. Few break ins in the neighborhood in the last few years definitely don't help. Can't wait for the kids to get to that sneak out of the house age - I might lose my shit.

 

[Old Man Mike]

Philip: I have not read Aldrin's book, but have heard that it is interesting if you are interested in the Apollo Program and the effect that it had on the astronauts --- Aldrin's emotional breakdown was among the biggest negative effects on a group of guys who achieved their highest goals and then had to face "nothing."

What I DO know about Aldrin is that he tried to cope by remaining with NASA as their leading spokesperson (John Glenn was a senator; Neil Armstrong didn't want any publicity and became a quiet professor; and no one else seemed to have the gravitas, except maybe Alan Shepard, and he was a little bit of a loose cannon.) As that spokesperson, Aldrin went out of his way to deny any usefulness about researching UFOs (as NASA didn't want any part of that grief), and so as talking head made very negative remarks about the phenomenon --- definitely not helpful to me and my group.

While I admire his accomplishment, Buzz Aldrin was no friend of true scientific exploration (though he had to say the things he did, he seemed to be more than happy to couch them in harsher words than necessary.)

 

[IrishLion]

Even somewhat more peculiar - Initially, I didn't think anything of all this...I dried off, put on some other clothes then went to school. It wasn't till about 3rd period that day I started to think, what the hell happened this morning??

Sounds like maybe a mix of insomnia and sleep paralysis manifesting itself in a really strange way?

Your body isn't paralyzed as is normally the case with sleep paralysis, but rather your mind is affected by exhaustion and nearly "paralyzed," giving you the impression that you are "observing" yourself in your normal routine, while your body and foggy mind are actually going about the routine.

Could explain the gap between the shower and getting dressed, where you thought you saw yourself sitting with a towel as with your normal routine, but really you had showered and then simply put clothes back on in your haze.

OR. It was a true out-of-body experience, and your physical body went to auto-pilot and neglected some aspects of the routine, while your mind filled in the gaps on what *should* have been happening. When you returned to the physical plane of existence, it became clear that your perception and physical body handled the experience differently.

 

[IrishLion]

Rack Em, you might be familiar with some of the "urban legend" paranormal stuff I've heard about in the Cincinnati area... Buffalo Ridge ring a bell?

The usual hokey stuff about the exploded crematorium drawing all sorts of paranormal activity to the area; devil worshipers tainting the area; ghost ladies roaming the road after having died in car crashes; the car breaking down and the guy getting hung while his girlfriend sits in the car unaware; the ax guy attacking cars; the House of Feathers; etc.

Most of these can be written off as standard boiler plate "ghost" stuff that exists in every town, but a few of the stories have legit and slightly unsettling basis in truth.

 

[Rack Em]

Rack Em, you might be familiar with some of the "urban legend" paranormal stuff I've heard about in the Cincinnati area... Buffalo Ridge ring a bell?

The usual hokey stuff about the exploded crematorium drawing all sorts of paranormal activity to the area; devil worshipers tainting the area; ghost ladies roaming the road after having died in car crashes; the car breaking down and the guy getting hung while his girlfriend sits in the car unaware; the ax guy attacking cars; the House of Feathers; etc.

Most of these can be written off as standard boiler plate "ghost" stuff that exists in every town, but a few of the stories have legit and slightly unsettling basis in truth.

I have heard none of this. You sound like a devil worshiper.

I wish those ghost ladies would come direct traffic on I-71 during rush hour though.

 

[IrishLion]

I have heard none of this. You sound like a devil worshiper.

I wish those ghost ladies would come direct traffic on I-71 during rush hour though.

I am borderline amazed that someone familiar with the Greater Cincinnati area hasn't heard of Buffalo Ridge and all the stuff that supposedly goes on up there.

It's actually a normal residential area now. Plenty of people live up there in a pretty nice neighborhood. There are some busted/run-down houses directly on the road that look spooky, but those are relics of the road in its original state.

The biggest complaint for people living there now isn't anything spooky or paranormal, but rather the constant bother of teenage drivers. Kids go up the very dark and curvy road at night every weekend, looking for ghosts and driving way too fast. Accidents waiting to happen.

 

[IrishLion]

Is This Comet That Just Showed Up In Our Solar System Actually An Alien Spaceship? God I Hope Not

Astronomers scan 'alien' comet 'Oumuamua for ET signals | Daily Mail Online

 

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[Dizzyphil]

Philip: I have not read Aldrin's book, but have heard that it is interesting if you are interested in the Apollo Program and the effect that it had on the astronauts --- Aldrin's emotional breakdown was among the biggest negative effects on a group of guys who achieved their highest goals and then had to face "nothing."

What I DO know about Aldrin is that he tried to cope by remaining with NASA as their leading spokesperson (John Glenn was a senator; Neil Armstrong didn't want any publicity and became a quiet professor; and no one else seemed to have the gravitas, except maybe Alan Shepard, and he was a little bit of a loose cannon.) As that spokesperson, Aldrin went out of his way to deny any usefulness about researching UFOs (as NASA didn't want any part of that grief), and so as talking head made very negative remarks about the phenomenon --- definitely not helpful to me and my group.

While I admire his accomplishment, Buzz Aldrin was no friend of true scientific exploration (though he had to say the things he did, he seemed to be more than happy to couch them in harsher words than necessary.)

The book is a hard read. There is no 'rhythm' to it. I know it's not truly a story but, Aldrin seems to be a very different person than that of before he went to the Moon. His battle with depression is expressed. It is almost like he was forced to collaborate to write it.

So, the reason I asked you about this particular book is because of the 'before and after' affect of going to the moon. Many (documented stories - youtube) had said all the men had very different attitudes once they arrived back. Did something happen up there? Did they feel, see, or experience something that changed them?

If you watch the presser once they returned, they were very solemn, not to the point, confused; like they were told what to say - and not to say. You would think after being the first known humans to walk the moon, they would have been ecstatic, jumping up and down in their seats, smiles from ear-to-ear - can't get them to shut up about the experience.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSZX3mW7Du4


Your thoughts/knowledge?

 

[NDohio]

Rack Em, you might be familiar with some of the "urban legend" paranormal stuff I've heard about in the Cincinnati area... Buffalo Ridge ring a bell?

The usual hokey stuff about the exploded crematorium drawing all sorts of paranormal activity to the area; devil worshipers tainting the area; ghost ladies roaming the road after having died in car crashes; the car breaking down and the guy getting hung while his girlfriend sits in the car unaware; the ax guy attacking cars; the House of Feathers; etc.

Most of these can be written off as standard boiler plate "ghost" stuff that exists in every town, but a few of the stories have legit and slightly unsettling basis in truth.

Drove Buffalo Ridge a lot as a teenager - many years ago.

Being in No Ky, I sure hope you have ventured into Bobby Mackey's!