UFOs, Paranormal, Pseudoscience Thread

[IrishinTN]

How do you people not shit your pants when you experience stuff like this?

Well, there are two stories from my own little hometown of Adamstown, PA, that are the closest I came to shitting my pants.

The first was quick but so damn scary. I was about 22 and we had just come home from a restaurant. My parents had to run to their business to get the days receipts and I didnt feel like going, so I had them drop me off. As I walked from the van to the door, fishing my keys out of my pocket, an audible whisper directly in my ear said, "he's back." I froze, I mean dead stop. The hair on my arms and neck stood up. I was so scared I couldnt even breathe for a minute, then I turned around to see my parents about half way down the street. I started chasing after them because there was NO WAY i wanted to go in the house. I didn't catch them so I had to man up and go in, but I mean I was close to captain shitty pants there.

The second time is the only time I saw a full body apparition. Me and two of my friends were walking down main street. Now Adamstown was a budding metropolis of about 900 people at the time, so there wasn't much to do. Especially at night. So me and my friends went to the only place to go, the YMCA. On our nightly walk there, we go about four houses away when I noticed a lady on the other side of the street walking towards us. I could see she had on an old wedding dress. It was tattered and teh veil covered her face and it whipped around her like a misty fog. I pointed her out to my two buddies and was like...guys...WTF?

We were dumbfunded and kept watching her as she continued toward us still on the opposite side of the street until she was parallel to us. We stopped, shared a bewildered chuckle with each other and a "can you believe that?" kind of statement before turning around to see where she was going. But she was gone. Poof. Nowhere to be seen. Our mouths dropped open and we dashed the 30 or so feet into the door of the YMCA truly scared shitless.

Curious to this event, I started to research it (I was 15 or 16 at the time). It was only a few weeks when I happened onto a story in a book called "Ghost Stories of Adamstown" (I couldnt believe it existed either) that talked of the Bride of Adamstown who supposedly had died the night before her wedding and still prowled the streets at night searching for her husband.

I saw her one other time after that, a ways down the street, coming towards me and I turned around and ran home. Screw that. No way I was getting close to that again.

 

[IrishLion]

Drove Buffalo Ridge a lot as a teenager - many years ago.

Being in No Ky, I sure hope you have ventured into Bobby Mackey's!

Haha I live about five minutes from Bobby Mackey's, but I try to stay away... not because of the well-documented paranormal activity, but because I have no interest in line dancing or being harassed by the country folk that venture in from the distant parts of the county.

 

[Old Man Mike]

RE: returning from the Moon.

I see no NASA conspiracy at all in this. There never has been a shred of evidence of non-human involvement with any of the Lunar Landings. (Astronauts have had documented UFO encounters, but while they were test pilots etc here on Earth --- Deke Slayton's is the one best known.)

The responses of lunar-returning astronauts is explained imo in two ways:
A). after initial landing they must adjust to a wildly different environment (zero-to-low gravity vs full Earth gravity) and this is not a cakewalk. Any immediate "oddity" one thinks one sees in them should go there for an explanation. Also, NASA debriefs these guys thoroughly. They are counseled to be very conservative with their statements, and they are loyal to their oaths.
B). after the glow wears off, these guys find that they've climbed their mountain, and there is no other mountain nearly so high. It's as if their life ended but didn't end at 30. They thrash about looking for another mountain or just sink into a depression (often). It's very human.

If you're looking for anomalistic stuff associated with astronauts or The Moon, don't look there. There are three mildly amusing things one can explore or simply acknowledge:
1). Some astronauts-to-be or high-speed test pilots have seen UFOs during test flights and other sorts of flying. Some of these guys were mystified by their experiences "forever." (ex. Slayton, Cooper, Kelly Johnson, Joe Walker.)
2). No one knows why, but Neil Armstrong told Dr. Hynek that he believed some UFOs were non-terrestrial technology. He, however, would NOT be interviewed about why he thought this (CUFOS tried.)
3). Lots of "fun" can be had scouring lunar orbiting footage for small non-natural looking objects on the lunar surface. None so far have arisen that are convincing to any majority of searchers (or you'd have heard about them.) A good ufologist and a friend of mine, Fran Ridge, does this as one of his hobbies, and thinks that he has a candidate for an artificial structure. I've forgotten whether it's on the Earth-side or the backside --- good resolution data is available for both.

 

[NDohio]

Haha I live about five minutes from Bobby Mackey's, but I try to stay away... not because of the well-documented paranormal activity, but because I have no interest in line dancing or being harassed by the country folk that venture in from the distant parts of the county.

I know a while back they did some night tours from time to time just for those interested in the paranormal activity and not going there for the music.

 

[Irish#1]

So, since this thread also mentioned paranormal, my first house I lived in was built by my dad. It was an entirely new subdivision. Lots of things started happening right away- footsteps in the basement when my mom or dad were upstairs. They think its me or my bother and come down to look and see nothing. Then the footsteps run across the floor above them. Again they go up...no one home.

My grandmother was watching my brother and I one night and we had one of those big floor model tv's (I'm talking about 1972 here) and the button goes in and the tv turns off (ironically we were watching the Ghost and Mrs Muir!). Knowing the things that had been happening, my grandmother yells out "you turn that back on!" Knob comes back out, tv goes back on.

My brother and I had bunk beds in our bedroom. They were on the opposite wall of the window. I was laying in the bed looking out the window, it was a six pane window, and suddenty, in the middle pane an image starts appearing of an old man's face; his head dropped back, eyes closed and mouth open like he was singing or something. Only that pane. No other pane had anything. I asked my brother "do you see that?" and he happened to be looking at the exact same time and said "yeah!" and we both ran out of the room screaming. My mom tried to calm us to tell her what happened but the face had already disappeared again.

One of the scariest was my mom and grandmother sitting in the living room, which was the first room of the house. They sat there talking when suddenly they heard a soft scratching at the bottom of the front door, like a cat trying to get in. The thing is, there was a closed storm door so my mom thought something somehow got trapped between the doors. As they sat there a few more minutes, the scratching got louder and higher on the door until the scratching was in the middle of the door and it was actually shaking. My mom went to the front window to see if anyone was at the door, but no one was there. Screwing up her courage, she went the door and yanked it open...to nothing. Just a warm, spring day outside.

We moved shortly after that.

Subdivision wasn't built on an old cemetary like in the movie Poltergeist was it?

 

[IrishLion]

I know a while back they did some night tours from time to time just for those interested in the paranormal activity and not going there for the music.

I don't think they do those for the public anymore, or else they do a good job of keeping in on the hush-hush. After the Ghost Adventures show came in, they've kept it to the normal business as far as I know.

 

[IrishinTN]

Subdivision wasn't built on an old cemetary like in the movie Poltergeist was it?

Found out later it was built on an Indian burial mound. So similar, yeah. and our neighbors had it worse. They had plates thrown from cabinets. Scratches. Nasty stuff.

 

[Dizzyphil]

RE: returning from the Moon.

I see no NASA conspiracy at all in this. There never has been a shred of evidence of non-human involvement with any of the Lunar Landings. (Astronauts have had documented UFO encounters, but while they were test pilots etc here on Earth --- Deke Slayton's is the one best known.)

The responses of lunar-returning astronauts is explained imo in two ways:
A). after initial landing they must adjust to a wildly different environment (zero-to-low gravity vs full Earth gravity) and this is not a cakewalk. Any immediate "oddity" one thinks one sees in them should go there for an explanation. Also, NASA debriefs these guys thoroughly. They are counseled to be very conservative with their statements, and they are loyal to their oaths.
B). after the glow wears off, these guys find that they've climbed their mountain, and there is no other mountain nearly so high. It's as if their life ended but didn't end at 30. They thrash about looking for another mountain or just sink into a depression (often). It's very human.

If you're looking for anomalistic stuff associated with astronauts or The Moon, don't look there. There are three mildly amusing things one can explore or simply acknowledge:
1). Some astronauts-to-be or high-speed test pilots have seen UFOs during test flights and other sorts of flying. Some of these guys were mystified by their experiences "forever." (ex. Slayton, Cooper, Kelly Johnson, Joe Walker.)
2). No one knows why, but Neil Armstrong told Dr. Hynek that he believed some UFOs were non-terrestrial technology. He, however, would NOT be interviewed about why he thought this (CUFOS tried.)
3). Lots of "fun" can be had scouring lunar orbiting footage for small non-natural looking objects on the lunar surface. None so far have arisen that are convincing to any majority of searchers (or you'd have heard about them.) A good ufologist and a friend of mine, Fran Ridge, does this as one of his hobbies, and thinks that he has a candidate for an artificial structure. I've forgotten whether it's on the Earth-side or the backside --- good resolution data is available for both.

It struck me odd. I can see where to 'peak' then fall can be a moving experience. We've all had it - just not to their extremes.

Now that you have an idea of what I study in my free time, if you wish/can, and do not want to put it here, PM me some sites or books that would interest me.

or here pdismore@gmail.com

I'm always interested. Raised Catholic myself so, I'm like you - relatives and church members see me drink, but aren't allowed in my library!!!!

 

[koonja]

IDK what I believe about super healing powers, UFOs, or ghosts, but these stories are incredibly interesting. I don't know if I'm jealous of some of you, or thanking God that you took the bullet and not me. I would shart everywhere, to answer Rackem's question.

 

[Rack Em]

IDK what I believe about super healing powers, UFOs, or ghosts, but these stories are incredibly interesting. I don't know if I'm jealous of some of you, or thanking God that you took the bullet and not me. I would shart everywhere, to answer Rackem's question.

So just another normal day for you?

 

[Section20Row27]

I have had quite a few paranormal experiences, but this one is truly inexplicable.

My wife and I had just moved into our very first house. It was a small, new construction home in a new subdivision in the southwest suburbs of Chicago. Only our immediate families had been to the house.

My wife is a light sleeper. Being new construction and it was late fall, there were always some construction settling noises. She woke up a lot, and conversely woke me up as well. One night my wife woke me up saying she thought she heard our oldest daughter talking to someone (our daughter was 4 at the time and our only child up to this point).

So, we both went to investigate, and found our daughter sitting up in bed with the light on. My wife asked her who she was talking to, and our daughter replied "Grandma". My wife's Grandmother lived in Minnesota, and my daughter hadn't seen her grandmother for 2-3 years. My wife's grandmother had been very sick, and we had just been talking about going to visit her.

As my wife was questioning my daughter, I noticed that the only light that was on was the light my wife's grandmother had given us. I quickly showed my wife the light, and her eyes got real wide. The light that was on was not plugged in!! My wife instantly said, "Grandma, are you ok?" Then, the light got real bright. My wife felt a warmth inside her that she described as how she felt when her grandmother used to give her hugs. We said goodbye, and the light turned off.

The next morning my wife got the call that her Grandmother had passed.

To this day, my wife believes that her Grandmother wanted to make sure we were doing ok and to say goodbye.

 

[Old Man Mike]

Philip, per your request: I am going to do something (a listing of resources) that may well not be what you want --- possibly too "academic" and heavy or too "conservative". But you said that you are home schooling about several of these cultural topics (Mayans, Pyramids, Stonehenge), so I'm going the reality route here rather than the fantastic popcorn. Truth should rule, especially with kids involved.

First, what I really know about --- UFOs.
Books:
1). Dr. J. Allen Hynek's first book (The UFO Experience; 1972)
2). Dr. Hynek's second book (The Hynek UFO Report, 1977)
3). Dr. Jacques Vallee's first book (Anatomy of a Phenomenon, 1965)
4). Dr. Jacques Vallee's second book (Challenge to Science: The UFO Enigma, 1966)
5). Captain Edward Ruppelt's book (The Report on Unidentified Flying Objects, 1956)
............ these five books set up the real facts about the phenomenon.
6). Jerry Clark's monstrous two volume work (The UFO Encyclopedia, 1998)
............ you want to know something? It's likely in here AND correctly so.
7). Barry Greenwood and Lawrence Fawcett's book (Clear Intent, 1984)
............ the first solid publication of the UFO FOIA Masters.
8). Swords and Powell et al (UFOs and Government, 2012)
............our ten-man work using intelligence community documents to let you go to the other side of the mirror to read why things went like they did.

If you want to just spend time reading short cases which represent the broad range of the phenomenon, I'll embarrassingly recommend
9), Swords (Grass-Roots UFOs: Case Reports from the Timmerman Files, 2005)

As to websites: Google "Center For UFO Studies, or CUFOS" for Allen Hynek's site --- he has passed on some time ago but his protege, Dr. Mark Rodeghier, keeps disciplined watch there now; or Google "NICAP" to get Fran Ridge's very solid informational site. These two sites will give you responsible information while still being extremely sympathetic to the research.

Second, what I've studied, but know less about and more "in the past" of my researches. (again, this stuff is not wildly imaginative, just factual.)
A). On Easter Island: Fr. Sebastian Englert. Island at the Center of the World, 1970. Thor Heyerdahl's AKU-AKU (1958) is still worth reading even after all these years, even though he seems to have gotten the migration patterns backwards. These books may seem "old", but we've known the answers to almost all the island's alleged mysteries for some time.
B). On the Mayans: There are tons of good texts. One off my shelves is Robert J. Sharer, The Ancient Maya (1994). I've never understood why the Mayans have constantly been included in this "Ancient Aliens" fiction. There has never been a shred of mystery which pointed to "aliens." --- mysteries yes, but not macro-mysteries (Ex. things like the so-called Palenque Astronaut are really embarrassing --- even an amateur dilettante like myself can see exactly what it represents.)
C). On the Pyramids: you doubtless know these two books but they shut down most of the "they couldn't have done this" type arguments. Peter Tompkins, Secrets of the Great Pyramid (1971), and Kurt Mendelssohn, The Riddle of the Pyramids (1974). The facts given in Mendelssohn about the three pyramids being built at the same time with one (Meidum) collapsing, should give any rational seeker a LOT of pause about super-technology etc.
D). On Stonehenge etc: People nowadays should go back to Gerald Hawkins' Stonehenge Decoded (1965) for the cleverness of our ancestors in finding out things, and follow that with something like Douglas Heggie's Megalithic Science (1981) and get the thought out of their heads that our (even stone-age) ancestors weren't very smart --- my guess is that they were AT LEAST as focussed and intelligent as we are.
E). On Smart Old People everywhere: E C Krupp's Echoes of Ancient Skies (1983) is a tour-de-force showing fairly advanced knowledge of the skies by peoples worldwide.

I don't follow these subjects professionally any longer so can give no websites. Occasionally I would pick one "romantic" subject and write about it on my blog, and then move on. Most of that blog (The Big Study) was UFO-oriented, but quite a bit was paranormal, cryptozoological, with a smattering of about any anomalistic mystery you can imagine. There's not much there among the thousand entries (I no longer am writing it) on classical civilizations, but if you go there you might find something (use the search word function) on a topic of interest. I still go back there two+ years posthumously to see if the odd reader feels they have to ask a question, read the query, then publish it "later." All that I can promise you about the entries is that they were well researched.

Again, no UFOria or craziness in the list above. Just the facts, m'am. BUT --- there's PLENTY high-strangeness in UFO cases without the fool-stuff. (and in most of the anomalous phenomena.)

 

[Dizzyphil]

Thanks for this Mike. I will keep you updated on my progress as well as my youngest on these. I just showed this to him and he has a smile that won't stop.

Diz

 

[connor_in]

Happy Friday everyone!

 

[BobbyMac]

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[ND87]

And this arrived in my inbox today:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...bcb7cc-e2b2-11e7-8679-a9728984779c_story.html

 

[BobbyMac]

And this arrived in my inbox today:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...bcb7cc-e2b2-11e7-8679-a9728984779c_story.html

One of the pilot's accounts:

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/16/us/politics/unidentified-flying-object-navy.html

 

[Old Man Mike]

Friends of mine are trying to surround this. The goal is the FOIA release of the alleged 490pp report on project findings. The cases come from several decades --- not just recent ones like the 2004 superaccelerating white discoid thing. With as much leaked information as already exists on this, one has hopes that the FOIA process wouldn't be too nasty (as most are.)

 

[IrishLion]

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/16/us/politics/pentagon-program-ufo-harry-reid.html

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Hovering 50 feet above the churn was an aircraft of some kind — whitish — that was around 40 feet long and oval in shape. The craft was jumping around erratically, staying over the wave disturbance but not moving in any specific direction, Commander Fravor said. The disturbance looked like frothy waves and foam, as if the water were boiling.

Under Mr. Bigelow’s direction, the company modified buildings in Las Vegas for the storage of metal alloys and other materials that Mr. Elizondo and program contractors said had been recovered from unidentified aerial phenomena. Researchers also studied people who said they had experienced physical effects from encounters with the objects and examined them for any physiological changes.

A 2009 Pentagon briefing summary of the program prepared by its director at the time asserted that “what was considered science fiction is now science fact,” and that the United States was incapable of defending itself against some of the technologies discovered. Mr. Reid’s request for the special designation was denied.

 

[IrishLion]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">That NYT UFO story didn't get nearly enough coverage. I am reposting here along with that amazing video footage — <a href="https://t.co/gJvYfVDmvt">https://t.co/gJvYfVDmvt</a> <a href="https://t.co/mdqLv5LSyF">pic.twitter.com/mdqLv5LSyF</a></p>— Jon Levine (@LevineJonathan) <a href="https://twitter.com/LevineJonathan/status/942608480980135937?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 18, 2017</a></blockquote>
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[Meatloaf]

New Documentary Follows Man Who Claims He Lost His Virginity To An Alien - LADbible

 

[ACamp1900]

New Documentary Follows Man Who Claims He Lost His Virginity To An Alien - LADbible

I mean, most So Cal men lose it to an alien.... wait, what?

 

[IrishLion]

https://coi.tothestarsacademy.com/nimitz-report/2017/12/13/xyefay39a1nmjp6kegxwvxz75topzg

 

[BobbyMac]

I mean, most So Cal men lose it to an alien.... wait, what?

Girls in Tijuana aren't aliens, they're natives.

 

[arahop]

Former UFO program official
2015/11/08/california-mystery-lights-navy-test.sav-hilde/video/playlists/ufo-meteor-or-something-else/

 

[arahop]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cn...olitics/luis-elizondo-ufo-pentagon/index.html
Former UFO program official

 

[Irish YJ]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">That NYT UFO story didn't get nearly enough coverage. I am reposting here along with that amazing video footage — <a href="https://t.co/gJvYfVDmvt">https://t.co/gJvYfVDmvt</a> <a href="https://t.co/mdqLv5LSyF">pic.twitter.com/mdqLv5LSyF</a></p>— Jon Levine (@LevineJonathan) <a href="https://twitter.com/LevineJonathan/status/942608480980135937?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 18, 2017</a></blockquote>
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Former Pentagon UFO official: 'We may not be alone' - CNNPolitics

Kinda funny that CNN has this article in the "Politics" section.

 

[Old Man Mike]

My friends are trying to hunt this complexity down. If I get anything which clears any of this mystery up, I'll try to post it --- but these real investigations/uncoverings take time. Here's what I think happened up until now --- not all of this is hard fact, so some might change:

1). Las Vegas real estate magnate and space entrepreneur, Robert Bigelow, has always been fascinated with UFOs since having an encounter himself about three decades ago;
2). He's an expert at money utilization to get results he wants. He therefore enlisted the aid of Nevada's then-powerful congressman (Reid --- Dem or Rep make no difference here, as this is the old political game of campaign funding for access) to push his idea of a government information-gathering office in the Pentagon;
3). Reid floats this out there and finds two other senators (one Rep; one Dem ) who have also had encounters while in the military and are interested. The three of them write the project into a defense spending bill at (for the Pentagon) low budget;
4). An information-gathering office is established under the charge of CIA agent Lee Elizondo. Whether this is only in the Pentagon, only at Las Vegas in Bigelow-controlled buildings (as a private contractor), or both (likely), we do not know at the moment;
5). Elizondo begins collecting military information (and possibly some civilian.) Some of this involves the two film cases being mostly discussed. Some of this is further back in time encounters (i.e. not all hot-off-the-presses "new" cases.) Allegedly some of this involves testing of metallic debris (my Roswell experts do not think that this involves alleged Roswell material.) Some of this allegedly involved psychological testing of close encounters witnesses to see if they have been permanently affected. Whether either of these last two categories are true, or even interesting, is debatable until we have more information released;
6). With the changing of many leadership people due to the Trump takeover, the new boss assigned to oversea projects such as this decided to cut its budget. Elizondo complained to no avail and then quit. He then leaked the story. A couple of the pilot cases were already out there known to UFO researcher insiders, though not their status as part of this project;
7). Elizondo has joined a private citizen group continuing to attempt to research these things. Whether they're any good at it remains to be seen --- they have no "product" yet (I know a couple of the guys in that group.) Rather than wait for this group to really do anything, the serious UFO researchers realize that the first data-rich opportunity is getting the CIA project final report released. This thing is stated to be nearly 500pp long and should give us at least SOME new information.

That is the status quo as I know it this moment.

 

[Circa]

My friends are trying to hunt this complexity down. If I get anything which clears any of this mystery up, I'll try to post it --- but these real investigations/uncoverings take time. Here's what I think happened up until now --- not all of this is hard fact, so some might change:

1). Las Vegas real estate magnate and space entrepreneur, Robert Bigelow, has always been fascinated with UFOs since having an encounter himself about three decades ago;
2). He's an expert at money utilization to get results he wants. He therefore enlisted the aid of Nevada's then-powerful congressman (Reid --- Dem or Rep make no difference here, as this is the old political game of campaign funding for access) to push his idea of a government information-gathering office in the Pentagon;
3). Reid floats this out there and finds two other senators (one Rep; one Dem ) who have also had encounters while in the military and are interested. The three of them write the project into a defense spending bill at (for the Pentagon) low budget;
4). An information-gathering office is established under the charge of CIA agent Lee Elizondo. Whether this is only in the Pentagon, only at Las Vegas in Bigelow-controlled buildings (as a private contractor), or both (likely), we do not know at the moment;
5). Elizondo begins collecting military information (and possibly some civilian.) Some of this involves the two film cases being mostly discussed. Some of this is further back in time encounters (i.e. not all hot-off-the-presses "new" cases.) Allegedly some of this involves testing of metallic debris (my Roswell experts do not think that this involves alleged Roswell material.) Some of this allegedly involved psychological testing of close encounters witnesses to see if they have been permanently affected. Whether either of these last two categories are true, or even interesting, is debatable until we have more information released;
6). With the changing of many leadership people due to the Trump takeover, the new boss assigned to oversea projects such as this decided to cut its budget. Elizondo complained to no avail and then quit. He then leaked the story. A couple of the pilot cases were already out there known to UFO researcher insiders, though not their status as part of this project;
7). Elizondo has joined a private citizen group continuing to attempt to research these things. Whether they're any good at it remains to be seen --- they have no "product" yet (I know a couple of the guys in that group.) Rather than wait for this group to really do anything, the serious UFO researchers realize that the first data-rich opportunity is getting the CIA project final report released. This thing is stated to be nearly 500pp long and should give us at least SOME new information.

That is the status quo as I know it this moment.

please keep us updated. Really good stuff!

 

[connor_in]