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Against better judgement before this 77-year old heads towards bed:

A). Don't understand the Project Mogul question. That was used as an explanation for Roswell and almost nothing else in UFOlogy. We know where all the Moguls were launched and what their tracks were. The hi-tech balloon theory (a better more inclusive way of phrasing this as it brings other projects to bear) for Roswell does not handle the case well at all because:
1]. there are no such launches recorded at proper times and going in proper directions;
2]. the area coverage of a Mogul balloon train comes nowhere near matching the description of the coverage of the "debris field" on the Foster Ranch as described by both military and civilian witnesses. (let alone the odd qualities of the metals.)

Something technological might have splattered down on that ranch but Mogul wasn't it (the rancher was quite familiar with weather balloons gone astray and had returned at least one to the military earlier.)

A guy at the Office of Naval Research (Urner Liddel) published a debunking article in around 1950 stating that all the ufos were explainable by similar balloon flights. Everyone in the military was confused by this article as none of the military agencies believed that practically any of the cases were balloons. It is a peculiarity of the field that in the 1948-1952+ years one of the most intriguing clusters of unexplained cases came from exactly the hi-tech balloon launchers and trackers who would know. (almost as if the phenomenon, whatever it is, was thumbing its nose at the best observers we had.)


B). On modern photos: There have never been detailed, close-up (non-hoax) photos of ufos --- make of that what you will, but it's almost as if you can't get a close encounter during the day, and not at night when someone has a camera ready. Distant objects are photographed all the time. One of my best friends has analyzed some Puerto Rico film left right and center by the highest technological means. His analysis "debunks all the debunkers" as it shows that all the mundane things proposed do not handle the data. Still: it is a distant object and tells you nothing but that here is an apparent object which resists conventional explanations.

Good evening.

Thank you for the response. Project Mogul was vaguely cited as the cause of the burst of public interest in UFOs in the 1950s by (maybe) Robert Park or Martin Gardener. They obviously come at such issues with extreme skepticism so I don't want to swallow the argument whole.
 

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Note that immediately following my response, the picture of the aluminum foil hat guy was posted --- anyone wonder why there is little incentive to comment in public about any of this?

I greatly appreciate your posts OMM. Ignore the clownz. They just want their quick, cheap laugh.

Did you spend most of your work researching UFOs or paranormal, ghostly encounters?

I had an experience in my house in college, that really freaked me out at the time. But when I think back on it now, I've kind of just accepted that its possible ghosts exist, and just because I acknowledge that doesn't mean I should be terrified of that idea.
 

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I've had some really weird stuff happen in my life. Here's the one that's easiest to tell.

Summer of '83 we're down at the Lake Michigan lakeshore between Long Beach, IN and New Buffalo, MI. It's about dusk when my friend says he just saw a plane (a light) that was moving normally towards Chicago suddenly go backwards and stop. When he points it out to us, it's looks like normal airplane lights to me. I'm like whatever but I keep following it for whatever reason for about 15-20 seconds and it goes from moving very slowly west towards Chicago to going straight down at a 90 degree, no arc, no loop straight down at a much faster rate of speed then stops. He yells and I acknowledge I see it. Now the rest of the group is interested and all 6 of us watch this light zig zag back and forth at 45 degree angles, straight up and down changing speeds in no pattern... like something a helicopter could do but there is no sound and it seems to be far away, like a jet coming in but still 15 minutes before it's at the airport. It's at this time, we hear very loud jet engines and can make out two jets hauling azz above us, heading straight north over the lake towards this light. You could see the glow of each jets engine clearly. Meanwhile the light we'd been following was still doing it's thing and about now my buddies and I are thinking this is the real deal going down and we start OMGing and freaking out like b!tchez and then it happened. Whatever that was took the feck off - almost straight up and was gone in 2 seconds, covering half the sky before it disappeared. We could hear the jets out there for 20 minutes or so and then went above us heading south.

My cousins from Nashville were staying with my grandparents that week south of Culver Military and when we went down on the weekend, they were telling us how it sounded like a war zone a few days ago when there were jets flying all over the place out of Grissom AFB. It cracked numerous windows in their house that day.

If all that wasn't strange enough, later on I became aware there was a well documented UFO sighting around Indianapolis on the same day which was easy to remember because it was my parents 20th Ann. 6-30-83.

That would have been a good day to have social media.

This is a great story. I can only imagine how crazy that must have been. Did you immediately think UFO? Or did you think it could be the Russians? And with Grissom AFB only being maybe 100 miles away, that makes total sense that jets tried to scramble whatever the mystery aircraft was.
 

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Note that immediately following my response, the picture of the aluminum foil hat guy was posted --- anyone wonder why there is little incentive to comment in public about any of this?

We allow jokes around here. Don’t get butthurt over one.
 
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So my wife is a SMC chick - she has some good stories out of her time in LeMan hall. One night a bible gets thrown out of a closed nightstand and slams to the floor in the middle of the room for example. Lot more little things but the idea of something being moved by an unexplained force is much more impressive to me than visions, images or feelings. I make a point to ask for ghost stories any time I meet SMC ladies who lived in LeMan - rarely disappointed.

She also tends to see dead people. She isn't freaked out by it but will wake up and say something like "an older lady with XYZ features was in our room staring at me last night" - invariably she would run into someone whose parent/grandparent it was - not necessarily close friends and usually the deceased someone she never met - did not recognize in advance. Happened with her grandmother a decade ago on the eve of our daughters' baptism at about the same time her grandmother passed that night somewhat unexpectedly (as unexpected as any 80+ year old diabetic anyway). I wonder if she was more susceptible to LeMan experiences but then again it seems anyone I meet that has spent meaningful time there has something to share - especially 4th floor.

Like the thread concept and appreciate links to better material. So much hoaxy crap out there it gets hard to separate sh!t from shinola.
 

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So my wife is a SMC chick - she has some good stories out of her time in LeMan hall. One night a bible gets thrown out of a closed nightstand and slams to the floor in the middle of the room for example. Lot more little things but the idea of something being moved by an unexplained force is much more impressive to me than visions, images or feelings. I make a point to ask for ghost stories any time I meet SMC ladies who lived in LeMan - rarely disappointed.

She also tends to see dead people. She isn't freaked out by it but will wake up and say something like "an older lady with XYZ features was in our room staring at me last night" - invariably she would run into someone whose parent/grandparent it was - not necessarily close friends and usually the deceased someone she never met - did not recognize in advance. Happened with her grandmother a decade ago on the eve of our daughters' baptism at about the same time her grandmother passed that night somewhat unexpectedly (as unexpected as any 80+ year old diabetic anyway). I wonder if she was more susceptible to LeMan experiences but then again it seems anyone I meet that has spent meaningful time there has something to share - especially 4th floor.

Like the thread concept and appreciate links to better material. So much hoaxy crap out there it gets hard to separate sh!t from shinola.

My ex lived in Le Man for 3 years. Will share a couple creepy, good stories when I get off work today. Everyone has creepy stories from there. SUPER haunted.
 

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So my wife is a SMC chick - she has some good stories out of her time in LeMan hall. One night a bible gets thrown out of a closed nightstand and slams to the floor in the middle of the room for example. Lot more little things but the idea of something being moved by an unexplained force is much more impressive to me than visions, images or feelings. I make a point to ask for ghost stories any time I meet SMC ladies who lived in LeMan - rarely disappointed.

She also tends to see dead people. She isn't freaked out by it but will wake up and say something like "an older lady with XYZ features was in our room staring at me last night" - invariably she would run into someone whose parent/grandparent it was - not necessarily close friends and usually the deceased someone she never met - did not recognize in advance. Happened with her grandmother a decade ago on the eve of our daughters' baptism at about the same time her grandmother passed that night somewhat unexpectedly (as unexpected as any 80+ year old diabetic anyway). I wonder if she was more susceptible to LeMan experiences but then again it seems anyone I meet that has spent meaningful time there has something to share - especially 4th floor.

Like the thread concept and appreciate links to better material. So much hoaxy crap out there it gets hard to separate sh!t from shinola.

So your wife has ghosts coming to your house to see her? That's gnarley.
 

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I've seen something that could easily be described as a ghost (never took a mind altering drug in my life so I def saw something) and have a really good story from my grandfather about a very crazy encounter he had off of zzyzx road on the way to Las Vegas... one day I'll have to take time to hash those two out.
 

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To Rack'em --- I explained how I and my friends have been taking this sh!t for 50 years, and you obtusely refuse to be any sort of civilized board member, so what can I say? I'll leave it with Shove it. (but hey, don't take it personally.)

To anyone who might want to communicate or ask for any information on any of these topics you can e-mail me at mswords@att.net if you wish. (as I won't be tossing out information in good faith here just so a$$es like the former can throw LONG-unwanted cheap shots.)
 

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To Rack'em --- I explained how I and my friends have been taking this sh!t for 50 years, and you obtusely refuse to be any sort of civilized board member, so what can I say? I'll leave it with Shove it. (but hey, don't take it personally.)

To anyone who might want to communicate or ask for any information on any of these topics you can e-mail me at mswords@att.net if you wish. (as I won't be tossing out information in good faith here just so a$$es like the former can throw LONG-unwanted cheap shots.)

This is a message board and that was a joke, which you’ve obtusely refused to tolerate in the past.

I’ll be sure to shove it. Carry on.
 

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We allow jokes around here. Don’t get butthurt over one.

Yeah we have only seen that one a thousand times. OMM is right. It's irks me because we have as close to an expert on here as possible and we get the same old jokes and then you give OMM a hard time. OMM keep your posts coming on this subject!!
 

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So my wife is a SMC chick - she has some good stories out of her time in LeMan hall. One night a bible gets thrown out of a closed nightstand and slams to the floor in the middle of the room for example. Lot more little things but the idea of something being moved by an unexplained force is much more impressive to me than visions, images or feelings. I make a point to ask for ghost stories any time I meet SMC ladies who lived in LeMan - rarely disappointed.

She also tends to see dead people. She isn't freaked out by it but will wake up and say something like "an older lady with XYZ features was in our room staring at me last night" - invariably she would run into someone whose parent/grandparent it was - not necessarily close friends and usually the deceased someone she never met - did not recognize in advance. Happened with her grandmother a decade ago on the eve of our daughters' baptism at about the same time her grandmother passed that night somewhat unexpectedly (as unexpected as any 80+ year old diabetic anyway). I wonder if she was more susceptible to LeMan experiences but then again it seems anyone I meet that has spent meaningful time there has something to share - especially 4th floor.

Like the thread concept and appreciate links to better material. So much hoaxy crap out there it gets hard to separate sh!t from shinola.

My wife as the gift as well. She suspected it for a long time but never looked into it until a girl she works with approached her about it. This girl is heavily into it and she would make comments to my wife like "do you know there are kids following you?" or "theres an old man following you". Some people have this gift but choose not to tune in to it. The way it was explained to my wife is that you have to help them in some way. They aren't at rest until their issue is resolved. Could be as simple as telling someone something or other mundane tasks. How it was also explained was that on the other side certain people are a beacon to the spirits and they try to go to these beacons for help.

We've had occurrences in our house where things have moved from one spot to another, fallen out of cabinets etc. They like to pick on my wife when shes sleeping, poking her toes and things like that. We've felt a few very bad presences as well. And it was also explained to her that if she didn't want them around that you simply tell them to behave and they can stay or go away.
 

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I think a lot of people have this 'dynamic'... but my father and I would know what each other is thinking constantly... everything from food cravings to much deeper and layered stuff that was completely out of left field. I was a really good, straight-edged kid and now that I think about it, it's a good thing I was, that man just knew many random thoughts I would have and if I ever would have tried to hide something really bad from hm I'm sure it wouldn't have gone well...Odd thing we never really talked about it in depth, just an odd thing we both recognized in each other and just smiled about. I knew the moment he passed away, kind of felt it, tried to ignore it/dismiss it... the phone rang about ten minutes later and I even said to my wife before picking up, 'oh man, my dad just died..."

my wife and her sister have something too where they each just 'feel' each other's drastic moods from across the country. my niece was killed some years back and of course my sis in law gets bouts of depression as result. ..whenever those hit my wife feels it immediately and calls her sister. She also just feels when my sis in law is having a really good day...
 

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I have always been able to feel spirits when I am around them. My dad is a retired pastor and we often lived in houses that were near church cemeteries. During my ages of 5-9 we lived in a house where lights would turn on and off and things would be out of place on a constant basis.

When I was in college I commuted for a couple of years. During these two years, my parents lived way out in the country on a gravel road. At the end of the road was the church, the church cemetery, and the house my parents lived in. At the time I was dating my wife to be, she lived on campus. I kept a lot of late nights, typically not getting home until 1:00 or 2:00 AM. After about three weeks of living there I started to notice that when I got home there was a shadow in the driveway. Because there were a lot of deer out there I just brushed it off as that. Well, one weekend I got home extremely late and when I pulled into the driveway there was a man standing next to my dad's Bronco. He was wearing a black suit and had a bowler on his head. He was standing there with his arms crossed in front of his chest like he was angry. I sat in my car for a minute, pretty stunned, trying to decide how to react. When I opened my truck door, he was gone. Freaked me out. However, from that day on he was always in that same spot on nights when I would get home late. I always felt like he was watching over me.
 

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I had just been transferred to Muncie, IN, and my wife fell in love with a house so we bought it. Our realtor tried to steer us away from the house, but never said why we shouldn't by the house. My family was still at our old house getting ready for the move, so I started painting bedrooms, etc. It was a big older 3 story home which did not have any lights installed on the ceilings of the rooms, so the house was very dark while I was painting after work. I constantly felt like I was being watched and I generally felt uncomfortable being there. I shrugged it off as being in a new environment, old house.

Once the family moved in, the house started feeling like a home. One night I was sitting at the Kitchen table doing some work, and everyone else was sleeping. Out of the corner of my eye I saw a small child run past in the hallway. I got up to investigate, and no one was there with all the kids sleeping in their rooms. A couple of weeks later my wife and I heard our youngest daughter (she was 2 years old at the time) talking to someone in her room - we had one of those baby monitors. So we got up and the lights were on and toys were all over the floor. We asked her who she was talking to, and she told us her friend...a little boy. The next day we were all outside meeting new neighbors, and we told them of our daughter's "friend". One of the Mom's then told us that a boy had died in our house about 10 years ago...he was accidentally shot by a friend who was playing with the fathers gun. The neighbors said everyone calls our house haunted. As you can imagine, my wife and I were pretty taken aback with all this news.

We decided to have the house blessed, and a priest hung a crucifix near the spot the boy had died. After that, we did not experience or feel the little boy again. A few months later we were all hanging out with the neighbors again, and the lady that told us the stories about the little boy announced that he was living at their house now. We asked her why she thought that. She told us one night they heard footsteps - like a little kid running - in the bedroom above their room. Her and her husband checked on all their kids and they were asleep. They went to the playroom where they heard the footsteps, and the light was on and toys strewn all over the floor. Our neighbors said they were fine with it because they knew the little boy...
 

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I have always been able to feel spirits when I am around them. My dad is a retired pastor and we often lived in houses that were near church cemeteries. During my ages of 5-9 we lived in a house where lights would turn on and off and things would be out of place on a constant basis.

When I was in college I commuted for a couple of years. During these two years, my parents lived way out in the country on a gravel road. At the end of the road was the church, the church cemetery, and the house my parents lived in. At the time I was dating my wife to be, she lived on campus. I kept a lot of late nights, typically not getting home until 1:00 or 2:00 AM. After about three weeks of living there I started to notice that when I got home there was a shadow in the driveway. Because there were a lot of deer out there I just brushed it off as that. Well, one weekend I got home extremely late and when I pulled into the driveway there was a man standing next to my dad's Bronco. He was wearing a black suit and had a bowler on his head. He was standing there with his arms crossed in front of his chest like he was angry. I sat in my car for a minute, pretty stunned, trying to decide how to react. When I opened my truck door, he was gone. Freaked me out. However, from that day on he was always in that same spot on nights when I would get home late. I always felt like he was watching over me.

Is this an isolated experience/story for you, or are you aware of the larger and general phenomenon of "shadow people"?

Some people call it bunk, others call it imagination playing tricks, others call it regular ghost encounters, while some recognize them as distinct and different from ghosts, perhaps even inter-dimensional beings (like Matthew McConaughey in Interstellar).

Usually they're just apparitions/visitors passing through or stopping by to hang out. Sometimes you get a bad egg, and you simply ask them to leave. These experiences are pretty well documented, and previous posts in this thread fall along the same lines in terms of "feeling" entities.

They aren't ghosts, because they won't stick around and haunt. They're elusive, but interactive if you have a legit gift for noticing them, or if you are *lucky* enough to have a solid encounter. If they're chillin' you can tell them they're welcome to pass through or stay; if you get bad vibes, you can ask them to move along, which they usually always do.

I would have never believed this was a legit phenomenon, but I had an experience when I was younger in my grandparents house, and my grandma still corroborates my story today (leading me to believe there is a certain sensitivity that can be hereditary or something), and I have read similar experiences from various sources over the past few years:

When I was young, my mom and I lived with my grandparents. One night, while my mom was out, I woke up and started walking to her room to see if she was home yet. I was walking through the hallway, and saw a shadow on the wall near my grandparents' room that didn't belong. It started moving, and I got freaked out, so I jogged in to wake my grandma up and to tell her that we needed to GTFO. The shadow PRECEDED me into my grandparents room, but before I could decided this was bad news and start screaming, I felt reassured that I could walk in behind the shadow on the wall and everything would be okay. The shadow disappeared within the other shadows of the dark room, so I woke my grandma up and told her what I saw.

I'll never forget what she said, "Oh I call him Hank. He likes to hang out in the basement when I do laundry. He's nice. I've never seen him up here before, though. He must be bored."

And I don't know why that was satisfactory to my young, impressionable mind, but it made total sense, and I felt at ease. I left her room, watched the shadow flicker down the hallway towards the kitchen (where the basement door was), and that was that. Something so ridiculous, and probably totally unbelievable to anybody reading this story, felt totally natural. Not only did my grandma reassure me that it was okay in probably the only way that would have worked, but the presence FELT like it was perfectly normal and fine to be in the house. Whenever I recall the experience, there's a feeling that I can't quite grasp that I felt at the end of the episode, and I want to say it was almost like the thing was embarrassed at the situation.

Anywho, suddenly, "shadow people" are pretty widely accepted as an unexplainable thing that can happen. Hearing your story only reinforces my belief, because one of the most common appearances of "shadow people" is a masculine figure wearing a dark suit and a hat. I didn't catch any details like that in my experience, more so just "feelings" that were strong enough to override what should have been my fear.

I never saw him again, and haven't had a true sighting in a while, but I get the feeling in the middle of the night sometimes that something is hanging around... usually the feeling is indifferent, but every now and again I feel uneasy, so in my head I'll say "it's time to move on, bro," and then it's all good... back to sleep peacefully.
 

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There are times that I can feel something abnormal around me. It doesn't bother me and I have never been completely freaked out by that feeling. The experience I had during that time, at that particular house, was the only time I ever saw something so vivid. Normally when I get the feeling of being in the presence of something I don't actually see the figure. In this case I saw the man standing there and he was often there when I came home. He never went in the house though.
 

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This is a great story. I can only imagine how crazy that must have been. Did you immediately think UFO? Or did you think it could be the Russians? And with Grissom AFB only being maybe 100 miles away, that makes total sense that jets tried to scramble whatever the mystery aircraft was.

At first I thought it's a UFO as in unexplained object not space craft from another world. Then when the two of us watched it and were like... dude, this is what people mean by UFO's because it was WAY more than something explainable like light being refracted off the water or what not. At that time the other guys were either half interested and making jokes about ET. When the military jets showed up, and the light took off like it did, everyone was on board then. One of the guys tried telling the story to a local paper, maybe the SB Trib(?) and they had no interest or never printed it. I'm still in contact with 2 of those guys and we all think we know what we saw.
 

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At first I thought it's a UFO as in unexplained object not space craft from another world. Then when the two of us watched it and were like... dude, this is what people mean by UFO's because it was WAY more than something explainable like light being refracted off the water or what not. At that time the other guys were either half interested and making jokes about ET. When the military jets showed up, and the light took off like it did, everyone was on board then. One of the guys tried telling the story to a local paper, maybe the SB Trib(?) and they had no interest or never printed it. I'm still in contact with 2 of those guys and we all think we know what we saw.

You think you know, but you don't know, and you never will...
 

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To Rack'em --- I explained how I and my friends have been taking this sh!t for 50 years, and you obtusely refuse to be any sort of civilized board member, so what can I say? I'll leave it with Shove it. (but hey, don't take it personally.)

To anyone who might want to communicate or ask for any information on any of these topics you can e-mail me at mswords@att.net if you wish. (as I won't be tossing out information in good faith here just so a$$es like the former can throw LONG-unwanted cheap shots.)

This is a message board and that was a joke, which you’ve obtusely refused to tolerate in the past.

I’ll be sure to shove it. Carry on.

First let me say I appreciate the knowledge OMM shares with us and I find it quite interesting and would love to hear more. I will also say that there is a lot of humor that gets used in pretty much every thread on this forum.

OMM, because this has been your work and passion most of your life I can see why you might get hurt, but I will also say one of the thing I enjoy about this board is the humor that gets interjected in the various threads. I wouldn't take offense to any of those jokes. Just remember that there are quite a few of us here that enjoy the knowledge and experiences you share.
 

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Let me reiterate this one more time: I in my first post explained why I don't want to comment in random public ways about these phenomena and that I've taken sh!t for my interest for 50 years --- THAT's why anyone with any sense of civilized behavior would not just Har-Har immediately pile on. YOU have not taken the crap I have for 50 years so OF COURSE you wouldn't be bothered by it. With apologies to my black friends for even using the following word in public, it's just like someone calling a black person a "nigger" for a "joke." You'd have to know the guy awfully well or be Afro-American yourself to consider doing that as a mere Har-Har.

If you don't get the analogy I can't help you.

Anyway, why would I want to post anymore information in this thread knowing the reception that it's going to get? This stuff is important to me. Maybe someone gets that.
 

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Let me reiterate this one more time: I in my first post explained why I don't want to comment in random public ways about these phenomena and that I've taken sh!t for my interest for 50 years --- THAT's why anyone with any sense of civilized behavior would not just Har-Har immediately pile on. YOU have not taken the crap I have for 50 years so OF COURSE you wouldn't be bothered by it. With apologies to my black friends for even using the following word in public, it's just like someone calling a black person a "nigger" for a "joke." You'd have to know the guy awfully well or be Afro-American yourself to consider doing that as a mere Har-Har.

If you don't get the analogy I can't help you.

Anyway, why would I want to post anymore information in this thread knowing the reception that it's going to get? This stuff is important to me. Maybe someone gets that.

A majority of those posting in this thread get it and we appreciate it.
 

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Let me reiterate this one more time: I in my first post explained why I don't want to comment in random public ways about these phenomena and that I've taken sh!t for my interest for 50 years --- THAT's why anyone with any sense of civilized behavior would not just Har-Har immediately pile on. YOU have not taken the crap I have for 50 years so OF COURSE you wouldn't be bothered by it. With apologies to my black friends for even using the following word in public, it's just like someone calling a black person a "nigger" for a "joke." You'd have to know the guy awfully well or be Afro-American yourself to consider doing that as a mere Har-Har.

If you don't get the analogy I can't help you.

Anyway, why would I want to post anymore information in this thread knowing the reception that it's going to get? This stuff is important to me. Maybe someone gets that.
I would like you to know that I am VERY skeptical about UFO's,Ghost and generally anything paranormal. But I am very much interested in the topics and enjoy very much when you post. So I hope you don't stop posting based off of one person. Thank you for what you bring to the board
 
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Let me reiterate this one more time: I in my first post explained why I don't want to comment in random public ways about these phenomena and that I've taken sh!t for my interest for 50 years --- THAT's why anyone with any sense of civilized behavior would not just Har-Har immediately pile on. YOU have not taken the crap I have for 50 years so OF COURSE you wouldn't be bothered by it. With apologies to my black friends for even using the following word in public, it's just like someone calling a black person a "nigger" for a "joke." You'd have to know the guy awfully well or be Afro-American yourself to consider doing that as a mere Har-Har.

If you don't get the analogy I can't help you.

Anyway, why would I want to post anymore information in this thread knowing the reception that it's going to get? This stuff is important to me. Maybe someone gets that.

I am super interested and as rational as I try to be, I know there things that just are outside our ability to comprhend or observe. I would love to hear more.
 

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This is thread is going to have a pretty drastic level of variation from nutty/funny/goofy to uppity/preachy/serious... going to be interesting to check in on...

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ickythump1225

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Is anyone familiar with the Missing 411 project? It was started by David Paulides a retired detective who was doing research into Sasquatch but stumbled upon the fact that there are thousands of missing persons in national parks and forests and they go unreported. Officially, the Dept. of the Interior doesn't keep a record of all of the missing persons. Some of the cases are insane and defy any rational explanation. (I don't know how to embed video) So here are some links to some interviews with Paulides:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oEoW12BInDA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aghKNrjFeRM

This is some spooky shit.
 

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Count me in the "interested" category. There were plenty of times in my life where I sought/explored some of the things in this thread, but I can't say i've experienced anything.

Some of you actually have 6th Sense like moments where ghosts or spirts follow you around?

Wow. That's really hard to believe, yet I do.

Does everyone have these and we just don't see them or only the few that are tuned in?
 

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Boy, I hate doing this but I'm going to put one post on poltergeist phenomena etc on here just because about ten different people are encouraging something like this (directly.)

A). Firstly to get the boring stuff said: The Church not only does not deny the reality of "ghosts/spirits/poltergeist phenomena" but has asserted the reality of the phenomena many times, including in modern times. Sometimes these are referred to as simply mysterious happenings, but often as mischievous and even malevolent spirit entities --- the extreme cases of which would be possessions (and yes there are MANY training Catholic priest exorcists, although you should discount sensationalized things like spewed out by Malachi Martin and Peter Blatty.)

The best source of Church scholarship and direct research in this general area was by 20th century Jesuit scholar and Vatican consultant, Fr. Herbert Thurston. He was to go-to guy for the Church in the 20th century and wrote several books on the paranormal. The two most relevant of them are: "Ghosts and Poltergeists" and "The Physical Phenomena of Mysticism." I own both and have read both of them. I mention this sort of thing because the speed, noise, and arrogance of the modern materialistic world wants to make you feel foolish for thinking that you had such an "old unsophisticated ridiculous experience" and thereby shut down any discussion of these potentially important things.

Outside of Church materials, my opinion is that the really modern books on these areas are not as revealing as some of the slightly older ones. A guy named A.R.G. Owen wrote a fine overview titled "Can We explain the Poltergeist?" in 1964. It's 400+pp and pretty solid. Another guy with a mockable name, Nandor Fodor (who we should not mock as he was a very intellectual MD who did first hand fieldwork) wrote a fine effort on this titled: "On the Trail of the Poltergeist." (1958; only about 220pp.). These are a few of a dozen or so "honest" resources attempting to get data on the subjects. A really old book, Catherine Crowe's "Nightside of Nature" (written in the first half of the 19th century) is 400+pp of case stories in a magnificent protest against what she (correctly) saw as an attempt by The Enlightenment to expunge thoughts of Spirituality from the world.

B). Perhaps more interestingly, I can affirm that such phenomena exist from experiences within my own family. One of my brothers bought a run-down but in many ways magnificent rowhouse in Wheeling WV, which was on the National Registry (built in the 1880s by a famous physician named Dr. Ackerman.) In a labor of love, he and his wife polished that place up to stunning class. They're not wealthy, so this was a multiyear do-it-yourself deal. Across those years, odd stuff began happening --- all the things one hears about --- odd noises, opening and closing doors and cabinets, unlocked things when they'd been locked, TVs and radios coming on at "3am", and the like. My sister-in-law, who viewed these events as "fun", began keeping a log (BTW, they are past the kid-bearing and housing stage and for the vast majority of this period had no pets, as she has allergies.)

There were two somewhat prominent visitors: my Mom in the last years of her life, as a resident of a three room private area in the home, and a great grand-daughter, very dearly loved by my sister-in-law (and vice versa), who "kept her" when her single Mom had to deal with many economic and educational duties. Both of these people figured in some of the events, which are worth telling.

First Mom. My sister-in-law was helping Mom get up one morning. Next to that bedroom was a small kitchen. This was just post-Christmas and on a kitchen table had been set up a grouping of about twelve or so nutcrackers (I had engineered a whole year full of nutcracker mailings allegedly from all my siblings --- a different one per week --- and Mom had loved the LOVE from her kids that these nutcrackers had symbolized. So there were some of them sitting there on that table.) My sister-in-law walked out of Mom's bedroom into the kitchen, and then, about ten-to-fifteen feet away, the group of nutcrackers "splattered" like being hit with a bowling ball, falling all over the floor. She was non-plussed by this, given how many other actions were already on her log.

Mom and my sister-in-law had another spectacular one one lunchtime in the main kitchen. They were sitting talking after eating when there was a metallic shaking noise nearby. It stopped before they could locate it. It went again. Again. This time they saw that it came from a container of kitchen utensils in a big can type container. This container was sitting on the shelf of the very large oldstyle iron stove. The burners of that stove stuck out about two feet from that back shelf. The shaking began again, and they saw it this time completely. A utensil, of the whisk or spatula variety, shook itself upwards until it released and went forwards into the kitchen. It translated about ten feet of "flight" horizontally, making a nice head-over-tail turn in the air and clattered down on the kitchen floor. My sister-in-law laughed and said loudly: Well, you've got our attention. What now? -------- no response.

Secondly, the granddaughter: This is a wonderful child, very simple girl, who I believe lives more in the exact moment than anyone I've ever been around. Absolutely adores my sister-in-law, so there is none of that "disturbed person psychically acting out" going on here. The girl often told my sister-in-law of poltergeist-like happenings, but also of seeing apparitions --- this started when she was very small and didn't even know those words. Sometimes the apparition met the description of Dr. Ackerman, who she said never seemed to be doing much but looking at his watch. But most of the apparitions were of a little boy, who spoke to her and told her that his name was Kenny. My sister-in-law naturally wanted to find out if there was an Ackerman child named Kenny, but the records of the family showed no such kid. Three years or more into this phenomenon, they heard of an old Ackerman family member still living within driving distance, and went over to discuss the old house and the old times. At one time in the conversation this family member was asked if there had ever been a relative named Kenny. She responded (unaware of why the question was being asked) that not officially, but this son (pointing to a picture) was always called "Kenny" for reasons that she did not understand. Later back at the Ackerman house, some old pictures were dug out, and spread before the little girl. Her hand went straight out and pointed to a kid in one of them: Oh! That's Kenny! ----- and so it was.
 
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I admit I watch Ghost Adventures and Paranormal lockdown. I really love The equipment and experiments they try by using Bill Chappell's inventions. I onow alot of it for show and who knows if what they capture isnt post production, but I find the idea of paranormal or supernormal entites fascinating.

My wife's family is from Abbeville, SC. It is the home of John C Calhoun and is officially described as the birthplace and the deathbed of the Confederacy. My mother in law lives in a 1950s era house that adjoins two 1820 era mansions. Her house is very active with what appears to be at least two benevolent entites.

They are both very protective of my mother in law. My first interaction was right after I started dating my future wife and we stayed at the house. I asked my wife if we were gonna share a bed and she said no. I was sleeping by myself because I hadnt earned the trust of the spirits yet. Haha. I was like Ok yeah sure.

I went bed with the door open and after a while I woke up to a blast of cold air around me. I opened my eyes and couldnt see any thing so I figured I would close the door in case there was a draft. I left the bed and was immediately warm again. I closed the door and got back in bed. I woke again to the door opening of its own accord. I heard the door knob turn and I though someone was coming in. I got up but no one was there.

I fell asleep again and woke up again due to the icy blast again and then I saw a lady in antebellum dress hovering at the door. I tried to get up but as I did she lunged at me and I took it as a sign to stay put. As I sat there freaking out internally she drifted backwards through the door and I heard the door lock. I didnt move for the rest of the night and didnt really sleep. I waited until I heard my wife and her mother were up before I got out of bed. I tried to open the door but it was locked. I unlocked it and went out there and told them my ordeal. They both laughed. They both saw her pacing up and down the hall during the night between the two bedrooms. They aslo said that that door to my room only locked from the inside. Haha.

She was keeping me from leaving the room because she didnt know me and didnt trust men in the house.

Long story short I had to earn her trust and now She is nice to me. Occasionally, for big meals, she is present and seems to enjoy the family being together.

As for the other, it only makes itself know to my mother in law and I have never encountered it.


My brother in law and I have both had similar experiences and we both tried to communicate with them unsuccessfully.
 
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