UFOs, Paranormal, Pseudoscience Thread

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Welcome to the UFOs, Paranormal, Pseudoscience Thread! I made this for any UFO news, ghost news, and pseudoscience news (think Mandela Effect, Flat Earth, Time Slip, etc). Basically anything that a supermarket tabloid would publish but most university professors would scoff at. Please keep your AGW arguments for and against elsewhere as I am not aiming for political discourse here, just the fun world of the fringes of the scientific world.


To start us off:

Double SONIC BOOM heard over Area 51 sparking wild claims CIA is hiding 'ALIEN' proof






PS: Bat Boy is welcome here

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If anyone wants to have their "hypothetical mind blown," go listen to Joe Rogan Experience Episode 725 and 872. Both episodes feature Randall Carlson and Graham Hancock and they discuss a theory of What and How the North American ice age ended and a possible event that triggered it. Like I said its mind blowing stuff. They also touch base a little bit on Atlantis, Ancient Egypt being much older than mainstream science claims it is, and the Gobekli Tepe site in present day turkey.

Graham has a tendency to be a bit over the top, while trying to maintain a logical approach. But Randall is much more reserved and calculated.

I'm bringing this up in this thread because the theory they discuss is not accepted by mainstream science. Regardless it's very interesting stuff. You can find the podcast episodes on Youtube.
 
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This is thread is going to have a pretty drastic level of variation from nutty/funny/goofy to uppity/preachy/serious... going to be interesting to check in on...
 

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If anyone wants to have their "hypothetical mind blow," go listen to Joe Rogan Experience Episode 725 and 872. Both episodes feature Randall Carlson and Graham Hancock and they discuss a theory of What and How the North American ice age ended and a possible even that triggered it. Like I said its mind blowing stuff. They also touch base a little bit on Atlantis, Ancient Egypt being much older than mainstream science claims it is, and the Gobekli Tepe site in present day turkey.

Graham has a tendency to be a bit over the top, while trying to maintain a logical approach. But Randall is much more reserved and calculated.

I'm bringing this up in this thread because the theory they discuss is not accepted by mainstream science. Regardless is very interesting stuff. You can find the podcast episodes on youtube.

I have watched some of those Rogan ones lately. He enjoys discussing the non-mainstream science topics. A number of his shows have been devoted to these kind topics. Like he is partly an Art Bell for a younger UFC generation.
 

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This is thread is going to have a pretty drastic level of variation from nutty/funny/goofy to uppity/preachy/serious... going to be interesting to check in on...

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But yeah...figured it might be a fun idea and not have anyone get preachy on if something isn't scientific enough or something...you know the wild and wacky (h/t to Marv Albert)
 

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Lots of fires going on in SoCal right now. Reading through comments on facebook the fires were started by EMPs, directed energy weapons (whatever those are), or laser beams, because the government wants to buy the land. One guy commented on a video asking why the trees weren't on fire despite the fact that there were several trees on fire and it was in a neighborhood, not a forest.
 

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Welcome to the UFOs, Paranormal, Pseudoscience Thread! I made this for any UFO news, ghost news, and pseudoscience news (think Mandela Effect, Flat Earth, Time Slip, etc). Basically anything that a supermarket tabloid would publish but most university professors would scoff at. Please keep your AGW arguments for and against elsewhere as I am not aiming for political discourse here, just the fun world of the fringes of the scientific world.


You do realize the Old Man Mike (Ph.D) is a retired professor recognized as an authority on UFOs and anomalous phenomena, particularly parapsychology, cryptozoology, and ufology.

Type carefully connor. OMM knows what truth is out there.
 

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Yes, I know some of his background and I welcome anything he wants to add to this or the this week in science thread (aka real science)
 

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Let me clear the air on my involvements in these areas. I do so just in case anyone wanted to get the opinion on something from someone who has spent a great deal of time studying some of these things. When I saw the OP I decided that the intent of this was just to make fun of everything (whether I knew what the real status of the studies were or not), but what-the-he!l maybe there are a few who'd really like to know "what's behind the curtain" on some of these matters.

Background:
A). I taught about many of these topics as a Scientific Methodology course where senior students were required to choose one anomalies subject, find what was being claimed, research if there were any actual facts, and if so, determine which alternative hypotheses fit those facts better (pointing out strengths and weaknesses.) --- by the way, it is true that most academics scoff at these subjects. It is also true that almost none of them have actually studied any of them. In other words they are farting BS. (sorry--- some of my "colleagues" do not rate much respect for their cheapshot tribalism and prejudices on these matters.)
B). My brother and I saw a domed disk "UFO" case which made me interested in the subject from then on. After getting my science prof job, I went to Chicago to meet the former USAF scientific consultant on UFOs, Dr. J. Allen Hynek of Northwestern, who had created a civilian research team, which I joined. I still am affiliated with the Center for UFO Studies, and, in the old days, was the editor of their academic journal (double-blind peer-reviewed and all that), The Journal of UFO Studies.
C). Since those days, I met with and been called in as an "expert" (if there are any such people in fields which remain mysteries) by essentially all the world's leading persons of interest except the military --- though I've met many of them as well privately.
D). As a Catholic, my background also leads me to believe in spiritual matters, and in that scientific method course there were opportunities to research several matters involving parapsychology, near-death experiences, poltergeist phenomena, apparitions et al. I decided to join the Society for Scientific Exploration which was a "quiet" group of researchers (all originally PhD's and MD's) where I met with most of North America's leading researchers on those sorts of things. A few, like Robert Jahn of Princeton (psychokinesis), Larry Dossey of the NIH's Alternative Medicine Office (non-traditional healing), and Ken Ring of UConn (near-death experiences) became friends. I also then met several cryptozoological researchers (Henry Bauer/Virginia Tech), Grover Krantz /Washington State, Roy Mackal /UChicago, who I respect. The bottomline of that is that there are reasons that most of the "big" anomalies stay mysterious yet viable, and, although the public seldom hears anything but mockery, there are really good people in each of these fields who warrior on in pursuit and anonymity.
E). I wrote, with nine other scholars, the most praised (by library journals) UFO subject book ever published --- UFOs and Government, the behind the looking glass view of how our government (and those of Sweden, France, Australia, and Spain) handled the dilemma which these "air incursions" placed upon them. The book is in well over a hundred academic libraries.
F). There's much more to my involvement with these mysteries, which I rarely have done "in the field", but rather as a typical prof with the books and journals --- but some otherwise "personal" things have also applied. The most spectacular of these are family happenings involving brothers and sisters, whose reports (poltergeist effects, apparitions, "phantom rider in car", clairvoyance, "trickster events", post-death events) have added an element of hard reality (my siblings are hard sells when it comes to "odd stuff" and completely trustworthy to me) to many areas of anomalous events even though I knew that the Vatican has long admitted the reality of much of this "paranormal" stuff.

With a whole life's worth of this sort of study, there is far too much to tell. I tried to tell some of it in my (now-inactive) blog, The Big Study, so named to indicate that it did not stop with the truncated view of the Universe of the science texts, but rather the expanded view of both science and Catholicism (and other traditions.)

So, if anyone ever wants a serious comment on any of this stuff, ask: if I've studied it, I'll probably respond. As said, I realize that the OP created this as a joke and mockery thread, so I'm probably not the guy for that.
 

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Do you find the Project Mogul explanation generally insufficient or do you think it covers a significant portion of cases?
 

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Let me clear the air on my involvements in these areas. I do so just in case anyone wanted to get the opinion on something from someone who has spent a great deal of time studying some of these things. When I saw the OP I decided that the intent of this was just to make fun of everything (whether I knew what the real status of the studies were or not), but what-the-he!l maybe there are a few who'd really like to know "what's behind the curtain" on some of these matters.

Background:
A). I taught about many of these topics as a Scientific Methodology course where senior students were required to choose one anomalies subject, find what was being claimed, research if there were any actual facts, and if so, determine which alternative hypotheses fit those facts better (pointing out strengths and weaknesses.) --- by the way, it is true that most academics scoff at these subjects. It is also true that almost none of them have actually studied any of them. In other words they are farting BS. (sorry--- some of my "colleagues" do not rate much respect for their cheapshot tribalism and prejudices on these matters.)
B). My brother and I saw a domed disk "UFO" case which made me interested in the subject from then on. After getting my science prof job, I went to Chicago to meet the former USAF scientific consultant on UFOs, Dr. J. Allen Hynek of Northwestern, who had created a civilian research team, which I joined. I still am affiliated with the Center for UFO Studies, and, in the old days, was the editor of their academic journal (double-blind peer-reviewed and all that), The Journal of UFO Studies.
C). Since those days, I met with and been called in as an "expert" (if there are any such people in fields which remain mysteries) by essentially all the world's leading persons of interest except the military --- though I've met many of them as well privately.
D). As a Catholic, my background also leads me to believe in spiritual matters, and in that scientific method course there were opportunities to research several matters involving parapsychology, near-death experiences, poltergeist phenomena, apparitions et al. I decided to join the Society for Scientific Exploration which was a "quiet" group of researchers (all originally PhD's and MD's) where I met with most of North America's leading researchers on those sorts of things. A few, like Robert Jahn of Princeton (psychokinesis), Larry Dossey of the NIH's Alternative Medicine Office (non-traditional healing), and Ken Ring of UConn (near-death experiences) became friends. I also then met several cryptozoological researchers (Henry Bauer/Virginia Tech), Grover Krantz /Washington State, Roy Mackal /UChicago, who I respect. The bottomline of that is that there are reasons that most of the "big" anomalies stay mysterious yet viable, and, although the public seldom hears anything but mockery, there are really good people in each of these fields who warrior on in pursuit and anonymity.
E). I wrote, with nine other scholars, the most praised (by library journals) UFO subject book ever published --- UFOs and Government, the behind the looking glass view of how our government (and those of Sweden, France, Australia, and Spain) handled the dilemma which these "air incursions" placed upon them. The book is in well over a hundred academic libraries.
F). There's much more to my involvement with these mysteries, which I rarely have done "in the field", but rather as a typical prof with the books and journals --- but some otherwise "personal" things have also applied. The most spectacular of these are family happenings involving brothers and sisters, whose reports (poltergeist effects, apparitions, "phantom rider in car", clairvoyance, "trickster events", post-death events) have added an element of hard reality (my siblings are hard sells when it comes to "odd stuff" and completely trustworthy to me) to many areas of anomalous events even though I knew that the Vatican has long admitted the reality of much of this "paranormal" stuff.

With a whole life's worth of this sort of study, there is far too much to tell. I tried to tell some of it in my (now-inactive) blog, The Big Study, so named to indicate that it did not stop with the truncated view of the Universe of the science texts, but rather the expanded view of both science and Catholicism (and other traditions.)

So, if anyone ever wants a serious comment on any of this stuff, ask: if I've studied it, I'll probably respond. As said, I realize that the OP created this as a joke and mockery thread, so I'm probably not the guy for that.

OMM,

I created this not as a joke thread. I enjoy hearing theories about UFOs and aliens and have a belief in that as well as various other things. While I do not believe in flat earth theory or the Mandela effect, I felt that people should have a place to express any and all of these and the this week in science thread felt like a place where more mainstream science was and I didn't feel that the conspiracy thread was a good home either. I stay up late at night watching YouTube vids on time slips, Bigfoot, ancient aliens, the real reasons for the pyramids, NASA fakes, Nazi Bell tech, etc.

The first article I posted about Area 51 ties in to my belief that it and other places are testing next gen technologies that we are developing from either our own or other inspirations.

I feel we can be serious or jokey here. I may believe in aliens and others not, but they may believe Kubrick directed the fake Moon landings that I believe we're real. I just feel the other threads were too confining.

Please post whatever you feel like as I think a number of us would enjoy where these discussions may lead.
 

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The moon landing didn’t have nearly enough tracking shots or natural lighting to be Kubrick...
 

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Now that everyone carries a camera with them 24/7, are there any good "UFO" pictures/video out there?
 

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I've had some really weird stuff happen in my life. Here's the one that's easiest to tell.

Summer of '83 we're down at the Lake Michigan lakeshore between Long Beach, IN and New Buffalo, MI. It's about dusk when my friend says he just saw a plane (a light) that was moving normally towards Chicago suddenly go backwards and stop. When he points it out to us, it's looks like normal airplane lights to me. I'm like whatever but I keep following it for whatever reason for about 15-20 seconds and it goes from moving very slowly west towards Chicago to going straight down at a 90 degree, no arc, no loop straight down at a much faster rate of speed then stops. He yells and I acknowledge I see it. Now the rest of the group is interested and all 6 of us watch this light zig zag back and forth at 45 degree angles, straight up and down changing speeds in no pattern... like something a helicopter could do but there is no sound and it seems to be far away, like a jet coming in but still 15 minutes before it's at the airport. It's at this time, we hear very loud jet engines and can make out two jets hauling azz above us, heading straight north over the lake towards this light. You could see the glow of each jets engine clearly. Meanwhile the light we'd been following was still doing it's thing and about now my buddies and I are thinking this is the real deal going down and we start OMGing and freaking out like b!tchez and then it happened. Whatever that was took the feck off - almost straight up and was gone in 2 seconds, covering half the sky before it disappeared. We could hear the jets out there for 20 minutes or so and then went above us heading south.

My cousins from Nashville were staying with my grandparents that week south of Culver Military and when we went down on the weekend, they were telling us how it sounded like a war zone a few days ago when there were jets flying all over the place out of Grissom AFB. It cracked numerous windows in their house that day.

If all that wasn't strange enough, later on I became aware there was a well documented UFO sighting around Indianapolis on the same day which was easy to remember because it was my parents 20th Ann. 6-30-83.

That would have been a good day to have social media.
 

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Against better judgement before this 77-year old heads towards bed:

A). Don't understand the Project Mogul question. That was used as an explanation for Roswell and almost nothing else in UFOlogy. We know where all the Moguls were launched and what their tracks were. The hi-tech balloon theory (a better more inclusive way of phrasing this as it brings other projects to bear) for Roswell does not handle the case well at all because:
1]. there are no such launches recorded at proper times and going in proper directions;
2]. the area coverage of a Mogul balloon train comes nowhere near matching the description of the coverage of the "debris field" on the Foster Ranch as described by both military and civilian witnesses. (let alone the odd qualities of the metals.)

Something technological might have splattered down on that ranch but Mogul wasn't it (the rancher was quite familiar with weather balloons gone astray and had returned at least one to the military earlier.)

A guy at the Office of Naval Research (Urner Liddel) published a debunking article in around 1950 stating that all the ufos were explainable by similar balloon flights. Everyone in the military was confused by this article as none of the military agencies believed that practically any of the cases were balloons. It is a peculiarity of the field that in the 1948-1952+ years one of the most intriguing clusters of unexplained cases came from exactly the hi-tech balloon launchers and trackers who would know. (almost as if the phenomenon, whatever it is, was thumbing its nose at the best observers we had.)


B). On modern photos: There have never been detailed, close-up (non-hoax) photos of ufos --- make of that what you will, but it's almost as if you can't get a close encounter during the day, and not at night when someone has a camera ready. Distant objects are photographed all the time. One of my best friends has analyzed some Puerto Rico film left right and center by the highest technological means. His analysis "debunks all the debunkers" as it shows that all the mundane things proposed do not handle the data. Still: it is a distant object and tells you nothing but that here is an apparent object which resists conventional explanations.

Good evening.
 

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OMM, you said you have spoken to all of the relevant experts, except those in the military...

Is that because the military won’t talk? You don’t want to speak to them? They don’t openly acknowledge the subject at all? Or because they don’t *need* to talk, aka they already have all the answers they could want, and wouldn’t want to speak to civilians for fear of indirectly “confirming” certain things based on the questions they do/don’t ask or the answers they do/don’t give?

There is a book in my library (I work in an academic library) concerning certain declassified government documents, some of which involves studies/reports on UFO’s, but the govt reports never directly imply alien technology... which I’m sure is why they were the reports chosen to “declassify.” I’m going to have to search for your book tomorrow to see about adding it to our collection, and to see if we pay for access or hold microform of your previous journal.
 

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The military has not been consulting publicly with anyone since 1969 when the Colorado Project gave them the excuse to shut down Project BlueBook, the UFO research/monitoring project at Wright-Patterson AFB, and the one where Allen Hynek consulted. That public face was a royal pain in their ass, and they were delirious to close it. All such "normal" unknowns have gone through Air Defense Command/NORAD since --- sometimes the CIA gets them, and does whatever they do. Unidentified Airspace Incursions are now handled just as if they were Russian drones or Korean missiles. So, the Air Force has certainly no reason to talk to guys like me.

Nevertheless, occasionally a member of the intelligence community will seek out a member of the (serious) UFO research community to "talk" about things. Whether this is on his own time (likely) or whether it's a directed inquiry (much less likely), who knows? To my knowledge I have never had such an inquiry, but friends have. My own interactions with military/intel have been with retired guys who became interested during their duties and usually seem to know far less than I do --- but interesting regardless.

As to formerly classified documents: the UFO community has some of the best FOIA-hounds in the business and there have been several hundred pages released plus the entire BlueBook microfilm (available widely; ex. on FOLD.) These documents reveal a great deal about UFO reality (as unidentified mysteries) without proving that they represent non-Earthly technology. If there was any lab-bench concrete proof of that we wouldn't be joking about tabloid articles as if that was all there was to this --- we shouldn't be anyway, but this state of affairs has been the result of a clearly documented policy in government documents of 1953. The only chance (in my mind) that the government has physical proof is if the Roswell Crash was real, and something about what was retrieved is undeniably non-terrestrial --- this doesn't have to a "body" or even a mysterious machine; it can be as "simple" as metals with non-solar system isotope ratios.

By the way ... documents exist wherein the speculation that some UFOs represent non-terrestrial technology is mentioned in the FOIA'd papers. They are brief mentions. More media-famous stuff like alleged MJ-12 Roswell-related documents are hoaxed bunk.

My thanks if you get the UFOs and Government book into your library --- your administrator won't regret it --- 600+pp of brute scholarship written directly from the governments' own internal documents --- that's why it's bulletproof. We wrote that book only to get it into the libraries to save this story for the future, since today seems he!l-bent on burying it. My "royalty check" is about $5 a year. Hah! ... Don't get involved with UFO studies if money is your object. Not serious ones anyway.
 

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The military has not been consulting publicly with anyone since 1969 when the Colorado Project gave them the excuse to shut down Project BlueBook, the UFO research/monitoring project at Wright-Patterson AFB, and the one where Allen Hynek consulted. That public face was a royal pain in their ass, and they were delirious to close it. All such "normal" unknowns have gone through Air Defense Command/NORAD since --- sometimes the CIA gets them, and does whatever they do. Unidentified Airspace Incursions are now handled just as if they were Russian drones or Korean missiles. So, the Air Force has certainly no reason to talk to guys like me.

Nevertheless, occasionally a member of the intelligence community will seek out a member of the (serious) UFO research community to "talk" about things. Whether this is on his own time (likely) or whether it's a directed inquiry (much less likely), who knows? To my knowledge I have never had such an inquiry, but friends have. My own interactions with military/intel have been with retired guys who became interested during their duties and usually seem to know far less than I do --- but interesting regardless.

As to formerly classified documents: the UFO community has some of the best FOIA-hounds in the business and there have been several hundred pages released plus the entire BlueBook microfilm (available widely; ex. on FOLD.) These documents reveal a great deal about UFO reality (as unidentified mysteries) without proving that they represent non-Earthly technology. If there was any lab-bench concrete proof of that we wouldn't be joking about tabloid articles as if that was all there was to this --- we shouldn't be anyway, but this state of affairs has been the result of a clearly documented policy in government documents of 1953. The only chance (in my mind) that the government has physical proof is if the Roswell Crash was real, and something about what was retrieved is undeniably non-terrestrial --- this doesn't have to a "body" or even a mysterious machine; it can be as "simple" as metals with non-solar system isotope ratios.

By the way ... documents exist wherein the speculation that some UFOs represent non-terrestrial technology is mentioned in the FOIA'd papers. They are brief mentions. More media-famous stuff like alleged MJ-12 Roswell-related documents are hoaxed bunk.

My thanks if you get the UFOs and Government book into your library --- your administrator won't regret it --- 600+pp of brute scholarship written directly from the governments' own internal documents --- that's why it's bulletproof. We wrote that book only to get it into the libraries to save this story for the future, since today seems he!l-bent on burying it. My "royalty check" is about $5 a year. Hah! ... Don't get involved with UFO studies if money is your object. Not serious ones anyway.

Thanks for the response!

I've heard several compelling testimonies from first-hand sources about some strange goings-on at Wright-Patterson... enough that guys with first hand knowledge in my experience have called it affectionately: "The REAL Area 51"
 

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Note that immediately following my response, the picture of the aluminum foil hat guy was posted --- anyone wonder why there is little incentive to comment in public about any of this?
 
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