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a quick google search that took all of about 35 seconds:


George Soros, Agent Of Chaos | Stock News & Stock Market Analysis - IBD

Not only is the $22 billion-dollar man declaring the motley mob the protagonists in a vast struggle against capitalism, the activist groups he's funded, such as the Tides Foundation, MoveOn.org, and a new one, led by self-described communist Van Jones called "Rebuild the Dream," are now its most active organizers.

hmmm, the same Van Jones that is on CNN? the same one that said Trump's election victory was a 'Whitelash'?

It isn't the only oddity. A notorious currency speculator whose secretive vandal-like attacks on Third World (and U.K.) currencies have left economic wreckage, Soros gets little affection from global grass-roots people.


Along with Goldman Sachs and other investment banks, his campaign cash has bought influence with politicians such as President Obama, making him one of the few who can drop by on short notice to the White House, as records show, a perfect example of special-interest politics, something the protesters also detest.


So if there's anyone who's a stereotype of all that's hated about Wall Street, it's him. But now he's the protesters' patron, sympathizer and funder, along with his allies in thuggish unions like the Service Employees International Union, which is prominent in the protests.


If the problems in the economy can be blamed on banks instead of Obama, and a general atmosphere of Saul Alinsky-inspired chaos can be created in the streets, the conditions would serve Soros interests — both in making money and installing the more socialist, more one-world type government he seeks for the U.S.

Socialist government? you mean like what Van Jones wants? The same Van Jones thats on CNN? The same Van Jones that created a 501 (c) 3 organization? Are any of VanJones 501 (c) 3's getting money from Soros? Are there any limits on how much can be funded to 501 (c)3 's?

What is a 501 (c) 3 organization? Does Open Society Foundation, or The Tides Foundations funnel any $$$$ to any 501 (c) 3's? If so, which ones?


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Same game, different field. Soros loves whipping up chaos, using parasitical pawns as players. This is only his latest chaos drama. It won't be his last.
 
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If it's true that these journalists send similar emails to GOP candidates, why aren't they releasing those emails in an effort to defend their work/character? Their livelihood relies on public trust so I would assume they'd take drastic measures to unequivocally prove their lack of bias (at least in their work product).

A) Republican equivalent email accounts were not hacked.

B) Many journalists have in affect said so, call any of the middle of the road telephone personalities, and ask them. I am way to tired of dealing with all the disinformation to look up this stuff for you. Besides, I still want to see who is paying for Trump detracting protesters!
C) This past campaign was designed to take advantage of our assumptions!
D) I don't know how any of you do business, but I am not catering to the mob. The minute I become reactive to the people making the most far fetched, baseless accusations, I've lost. I'm done.
E) If it isn't clear, journalist have nothing to defend. The facts are clear and in evidence. The supposition is just that, baseless opinion that has all the value of a good fart in a windstorm. If people don't pay attention, or want to check out the truth, they probably feel powerless.
F) I am pretty sure the nuance that these reporters only pre-release stories to Democrats only has validity with a significant minority of people. But a minority all the same.
G) Public trust? With the misinformation this past year? Okay.

http://www.spj.org/pdf/spj-code-of-ethics.pdf
 
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George Soros, Agent Of Chaos | Stock News & Stock Market Analysis - IBD

Do me a favor, bring me something that doesn't say EDITORIAL (or opinion) in really big letters. Is that too hard to comprehend, or is it just the entirety of all current conspiracy theories, except the Russian hacking story?

hmmm, the same Van Jones that is on CNN? the same one that said Trump's election victory was a 'Whitelash'?

I don't know Van Jones on CNN, is he a journalist, or a paid political operative? Nor do I claim to have any idea of the context of his statement, or your point of inserting it here.

Socialist government? you mean like what Van Jones wants? The same Van Jones thats on CNN? The same Van Jones that created a 501 (c) 3 organization? Are any of VanJones 501 (c) 3's getting money from Soros? Are there any limits on how much can be funded to 501 (c)3 's?

What is a 501 (c) 3 organization? Does Open Society Foundation, or The Tides Foundations funnel any $$$$ to any 501 (c) 3's? If so, which ones?

Ooops, never mind! I guess you've cleared that up. He is a paid political operative, and in that case we can safely place him in the same pile as opinion and editorial pieces . . .

And don't talk Socialist, or Socialist governments to me!

Especially on this site where the average poster cannot correctly identify, contrast, and define, liberal, liberalism (classical), or neoliberalism.

Can you imagine this board having an honest conversation about Christian influence on social theory, (socialism?) Catholicisms history and traditions? Heads would explode! People would come to (internet) blows about the actual organization of every order of priests and nuns!
 

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And to state emphatically, I am not an absolute defender of Obamacare. I just want to point out that "see premiums are up under Obama!" is misleading because they were going up very fast beforehand too and at worst we'd be discussing the degree of damage done by Obamacare.

They were and have been for a long time. However, ObamaCare was supposed to curb that and it didn't happen. I know my employer is jumping through hoops the last couple of years switching plans because rates went up. Thus those were passed a long to us in the form of premiums.
 

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That's certainly arguable but to my untrained eye the graph says to me "labor participation peaked in the late 1990s and the housing bubble was probably an illusion." I think most of these Obama problems are really 21st century problems and the graph fits my mindset there.

It's hard to have imperical evidence for or against Obama impacting this one way or another. My point was more geared around the idea that using that graph doesn't support anything other than showing a trend. Yes, LFPR peaked and was declining, and during his term(s) the rate of decline accelerated. Considering the demographics shift in this country, this may have been expected. Personally, I think we can look back in 4 years time and be able to decipher whether this acceleration was normal or abnormal, but until then, inconclusive.



And to state emphatically, I am not an absolute defender of Obamacare. I just want to point out that "see premiums are up under Obama!" is misleading because they were going up very fast beforehand too and at worst we'd be discussing the degree of damage done by Obamacare.

I don't think Obamacare designers figured they'd have to cope with a "jobless recovery" for Millennials who are also being weighed down by so much college debt, those factors are preventing them from buying health insurance at the rate forecasters thought. And I can't say one way of the other if various claims were made before or after the public/government option was removed, which would have has an effect for better or worse. Maybe I'm wrong though.

Can't argue against that, which is why campaigning and related promises always strike a chord with me. Not so much that the politicians say it, but the veracity in-which people take it as gospel. For better or worse, Obama will judged on that cost curve comment and by that measurement alone, the ACA has not lived up to the billing. I do also think there were market forces on this that Obama and his team either ignored or failed to imagine, such as the consolidation of insurance companies, as a prime example, and the role the ACA played in fostering those events. You know, the whole unintended consequences thing.

Yeah but if Obamacare didn't take effect until 2014 that's not really a great way to judge the half-decade of economic results beforehand, and we had the best year in 40 years in 2015 in terms of wage growth, which is after Obamacare implementation. Shouldn't those results be flipped if the CBO was right?

Hard to tell, as you would be trying to prove the absence of a negative -- the negative being the economic drag of the ACA. I do think their rationalization holds water, which is to say that the growth could have been even better without the ACA.
 

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Speaking of same. Hillary Clinton lies, no doubt. But Donald lies that same amount, times a factor of ten. Again, this can be easily shown by independent sources.

No.

Hillary lies because she is consciously stating things that are either untrue or purposely deceiving the recipient or crowd. She does this to hide wrongdoings, cater to a crowd, or to flat out misrepresent the truth. She is a serial liar.

Trump does not lie. Trump is a bullshit artist. Bullshitting is when you say something untrue, and you know all of your audiences would know you're totally lying as soon as you say it. This is why people say that you should take Trump seriously, but never literally.


The contrast Frankfurt draws between lying and bullshit is sharp. “It is impossible for someone to lie unless he thinks he knows the truth,” Frankfurt observes. “Producing bullshit requires no such conviction. A person who lies is thereby responding to the truth, and he is to that extent respectful of it. When an honest man speaks, he says only what he believes to be true; and for the liar, it is correspondingly indispensable that he considers his statements to be false. For the bullshitter, however, all bets are off. … He does not reject the authority of the truth, as the liar does, and oppose himself to it. He pays no attention to it at all. By virtue of this, bullshit is a greater enemy of truth than lies are.”

https://newrepublic.com/article/124803/donald-trump-not-liar

The days of independent sources have passed.
 

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No.

Hillary lies because she is consciously stating things that are either untrue or purposely deceiving the recipient or crowd. She does this to hide wrongdoings, cater to a crowd, or to flat out misrepresent the truth. She is a serial liar.

Trump does not lie. Trump is a bullshit artist. Bullshitting is when you say something untrue, and you know all of your audiences would know you're totally lying as soon as you say it. This is why people say that you should take Trump seriously, but never literally.


The contrast Frankfurt draws between lying and bullshit is sharp. “It is impossible for someone to lie unless he thinks he knows the truth,” Frankfurt observes. “Producing bullshit requires no such conviction. A person who lies is thereby responding to the truth, and he is to that extent respectful of it. When an honest man speaks, he says only what he believes to be true; and for the liar, it is correspondingly indispensable that he considers his statements to be false. For the bullshitter, however, all bets are off. … He does not reject the authority of the truth, as the liar does, and oppose himself to it. He pays no attention to it at all. By virtue of this, bullshit is a greater enemy of truth than lies are.”

https://newrepublic.com/article/124803/donald-trump-not-liar

The days of independent sources have passed.

Trump is not a liar. He just says stuff that is untrue.

Got it...
 

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No, Moose, I really do love you, but with respect, you are a Trump supporter of the very worst kind. Regardless of what other kind of supporter you are. (Me, sometimes I am an athletic supporter!)

First you brought up Vince Foster. That is so far afield of any conversation about any legitimate political conversation. It started to become a hot button issue for the slanderers in the campaign, and I personally felt terrible, when one if his family issued a release asking people to get off their personal political hack agendas, and stop mentioning his suicide. It was a suicide. Period. At the time, his family to a person agreed with the findings. When I refer to 'barbarians in Christian clothing,' this kind of intentional action is near the epicenter. I will assume we can just drop this one.

Second, a number of high profile individuals who have had less that stellar images made big contributions to the Clinton Foundation. One of the hallmarks of the Clinton Foundation is their success at getting bad actors to make large donations to do good things. Which if you look at it, is how you change things in the world. Once everyone, including repressive regimes acknowledge the problem, and legitimize everyone working for the solution, how much better of a situation is that within the world community for eradicating the problem? Because after all, we are talking about people who live in abject poverty, sometimes miles from the richest mineral reserves in the world, who have been infected heterosexually by HIV, whose children are doomed to awful existence.

As far as the legality of the Clinton Foundation, the US Supreme Court, found in 2014, with a majority of Republican justices seated, in a case related to a political issue, and the Republican party, that providing access for cash isn't illegal, in fact, they wouldn't even call it unethical. Yet with the Clinton's, some of the same people positively affected by the very Supreme Court decision cried that the Clinton's were breaking the law. Why? What about that Clark?

And as far as your understanding of the emoluments rules : You cannot interpret them related to an individual if you have no clear idea of that individuals holdings, can you? Would you guess that DJT bragging about the favorable treatment Trump was going to get when he had his first conversation with the President of Argentina, when he first mentioned that he did some business asking for favorable interpretations of restrictions hamstringing his Trump Towers project! Later he and his reps changed their tune and said they only talked about times they worked together in the past.

Another time Donald Trump mentioned when talking about a Dubai connection that they threw 2 billion dollars worth of deals on the table, and later he denied that, kind of like Spicer's two step about Flynn's conversation with the Russians. None of these guys are with portfolio presently!

And at the far end, so you think I am a dick? Welcome to a long and distinguished list! I am glad you think that, because, for as far back as I have posted in this thread, I have tried to wait until I, someone else, or a principle I believe in was unfairly attacked.

It is not only nice to be appreciated, but to know that I am having the effect I intended.

The Vince Foster reference was a joke. "Curing" cancer, AIDS, and Vince Foster.... I shouldn't have expected you to be able to understand........ maybe you can go talk to one of your experts that you always seem to magically be talking to, no matter the topic, when you get into a debate with someone? They could maybe explain it to you...
 

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The Vince Foster reference was a joke. "Curing" cancer, AIDS, and Vince Foster.... I shouldn't have expected you to be able to understand........ maybe you can go talk to one of your experts that you always seem to magically be talking to, no matter the topic, when you get into a debate with someone? They could maybe explain it to you...

Anyone else think Bogs might be Rick from Pawn Stars??
 

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maybe you can go talk to one of your experts that you always seem to magically be talking to, no matter the topic, when you get into a debate with someone? They could maybe explain it to you...

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Yes, what Democracts are pissed about is that they got caught with their pants down by the leaks and they continue to try to obfuscate the problem. The problem was not the hacking... the problem is what the hacking revealed about the media and the Democrat party.

Nobody would care that Russians leaked documents if the documents didn't show the party being corrupt, racist, bigoted, and unethical. But the leaks shown a light on the corruption and bias many assumed existed, and it confirmed for some voters the idea that Clinton & Co. needed to be stopped no matter how unpalatable Trump was.

They're salty that they lost and doubly salty that they got exposed for their hypocrisy while doing it. Instead of focusing on "we lost because it was exposed that we had the party chief rigging primaries, the campaign chief degrading Latino/Hispanic voters, and the media colluding with us against Trump" it was "we lost because we were hacked." Both are true, but one focuses on the symptom not the disease.

It's time for some goddamn introspection to fix the party.

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Editorial: With Trump's victory, the NRA takes aim at public safety (LA Times)

The extremely powerful but highly irresponsible National Rifle Assn. spent $30 million this year helping elect Donald J. Trump and $10 million more backing six pro-gun Senate candidates (five of whom won). Trump, in turn, said during the campaign that he was proud of the organization’s endorsement, spoke forcefully in favor of expanded gun ownership and promised to “save” the 2nd Amendment.

From the organization’s point of view, that was money well spent. But from a public safety standpoint, well, look out.

The NRA’s president, Wayne LaPierre, has already released a video statement trumpeting the victory, patting gun owners on the back for making it possible and calling for a renewed push to dismantle state and local gun-control laws. “Our time is now,” LaPierre said. “This is our historic moment to go on offense.”

At the top of LaPierre’s wish list is an absurd and dangerous federal law to require any state that issues permits for carrying concealed weapons to recognize similar permits issued by other states, even if they have different eligibility and training requirements and even if they have less stringent restrictions on gun ownership. Proponents of so-called concealed-carried reciprocity equate it with state driver’s licenses, which are recognized nationwide. But that’s a false comparison. All states follow similar standards for issuing driver’s licenses, and basic vehicle and traffic laws are largely standardized. That’s not so for gun laws, which vary widely by state, not to mention that county and city governments are allowed to enact their own restrictions based on local needs and preferences...
 
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Yes, what Democracts are pissed about is that they got caught with their pants down by the leaks and they continue to try to obfuscate the problem. The problem was not the hacking... the problem is what the hacking revealed about the media and the Democrat party.

Nobody would care that Russians leaked documents if the documents didn't show the party being corrupt, racist, bigoted, and unethical. But the leaks shown a light on the corruption and bias many assumed existed, and it confirmed for some voters the idea that Clinton & Co. needed to be stopped no matter how unpalatable Trump was.

They're salty that they lost and doubly salty that they got exposed for their hypocrisy while doing it. Instead of focusing on "we lost because it was exposed that we had the party chief rigging primaries, the campaign chief degrading Latino/Hispanic voters, and the media colluding with us against Trump" it was "we lost because we were hacked." Both are true, but one focuses on the symptom not the disease.

It's time for some goddamn introspection to fix the party.

No, No...I always blame the xray for my fractures...


This was a Simple, Honest, with facts largely not in dispute...wonder what wall of text this will provoke...
 
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Yes, what Democracts are pissed about is that they got caught with their pants down by the leaks and they continue to try to obfuscate the problem. The problem was not the hacking... the problem is what the hacking revealed about the media and the Democrat party.

Nobody would care that Russians leaked documents if the documents didn't show the party being corrupt, racist, bigoted, and unethical. But the leaks shown a light on the corruption and bias many assumed existed, and it confirmed for some voters the idea that Clinton & Co. needed to be stopped no matter how unpalatable Trump was.

They're salty that they lost and doubly salty that they got exposed for their hypocrisy while doing it. Instead of focusing on "we lost because it was exposed that we had the party chief rigging primaries, the campaign chief degrading Latino/Hispanic voters, and the media colluding with us against Trump" it was "we lost because we were hacked." Both are true, but one focuses on the symptom not the disease.

It's time for some goddamn introspection to fix the party.

Why not both? There are completely separate matters here. One is a bipartisan concern, and one is a Democratic concern.

On the Democratic Party matter, your point doesn't hold much water going forward because Trump decapitated the DNC when he defeated Hillary Clinton. He gave the liberal wing of the party what it needed to unseat the Clinton-era loyalists. That was the silver-lining from election night, the Clintons suck and they're politically toast. It's not like there isn't real hatred for that DNC within the Democratic Party, all you have to look at was the Bernie Sanders campaign.

The bipartisan concern still remains. And it's one that has the attention of prominent Republicans. The thick smoke around the Trump-Putin relationship is worrisome with or without the hacking. The hacking is just the boldest move against the United States by Russia since the end of the Cold War. Frankly, that many Conservatives are able to disregard their meddling because it helped defeat Clinton is what worries me about our future. That's the definition of favoring your party over country. Just like it annoys me when people say "Well we do it all the time" or "we're getting a taste of our own medicine"--bro we drone strike others all of the time would it be okay if it happened here?! Where is our patriotism? We are the superpower and we don't let people push us around or meddling in our domestic affairs. Or at least I thought we didn't.

And let's not forget, Russia also hacked the RNC. Does anyone really think there isn't a whole treasure trove of shit in the RNC files? Like are you kidding me guys? It's telling that Russia didn't pass those onto wikileaks.
 
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No, No...I always blame the xray for my fractures...


This was a Simple, Honest, with facts largely not in dispute...wonder what wall of text this will provoke...

The wall just got two paragraphs longer!
 

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Why not both? There are completely separate matters here. One is a bipartisan concern, and one is a Democratic concern.

On the Democratic Party matter, your point doesn't hold much water going forward because Trump decapitated the DNC when he defeated Hillary Clinton. He gave the liberal wing of the party what it needed to unseat the Clinton-era loyalists. That was the silver-lining from election night, the Clintons suck and they're politically toast. It's not like there isn't real hatred for that DNC within the Democratic Party, all you have to look at was the Bernie Sanders campaign.

I disagree that the Democrats have done nearly enough at this point to publicly acknowledge and address the issues revealed in the leaks.

Where was the apology for the bigoted anti-Catholic remarks?
Where was the apology for the media collusion?
Where was the apology for the racist anti-Latino remarks?
Why was DWS allowed to continue in a position of power after her corruption leaked before the convention?

I don't see the party coming even close to living up to the values it espouses, or doing nearly enough to right the wrongs from the leak.

The bipartisan concern still remains. And it's one that has the attention of prominent Republicans. The thick smoke around the Trump-Putin relationship is worrisome with or without the hacking. The hacking is just the boldest move against the United States by Russia since the end of the Cold War. Frankly, that many Conservatives are able to disregard their meddling because it helped defeat Clinton is what worries me about our future. That's the definition of favoring your party over country. Just like it annoys me when people say "Well we do it all the time" or "we're getting a taste of our own medicine"--bro we drone strike others all of the time would it be okay if it happened here?! Where is our patriotism? We are the superpower and we don't let people push us around or meddling in our domestic affairs. Or at least I thought we didn't.

All of this is correct. 100% correct.

And let's not forget, Russia also hacked the RNC. Does anyone really think there isn't a whole treasure trove of shit in the RNC files? Like are you kidding me guys? It's telling that Russia didn't pass those onto wikileaks.

This basically proves my point. Not once in your entire post did you talk about the Democrat issues revealed in the emails besides a throw away "the Clintons suck". Not once in three paragraphs did you talk about the corruption, bigotry, or unethical behavior found in the email leak... not once did you talk about the revealed collusion with the media.

Instead you said "but I'm sure the Republicans had bad stuff in their emails too!!!"... that's not the point. I'm not talking about the Republicans. I'm not interested in a partisan pissing contest. I'm talking about the Democrats and fixing the patently obvious party issues revealed by the leaks. Democrats (and their media allies) are obsessed with spending as much time as possible talking about Russia, and as little time as possible talking about the issues they revealed. One makes them feel better about a stolen election, the other requires tough introspection and the painful, honest of flaws.

It's no surprise that 100% of the effort is on doing the former and pretending that what was revealed "wasn't a big deal" or "the Republicans probably said the same stuff so it doesn't matter" or (insert any other excuse).
 

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Instead you said "but I'm sure the Republicans had bad stuff in their emails too!!!"... that's not the point. I'm not talking about the Republicans. I'm not interested in a partisan pissing contest. I'm talking about the Democrats and fixing the patently obvious party issues revealed by the leaks. Democrats (and their media allies) are obsessed with spending as much time as possible talking about Russia, and as little time as possible talking about the issues they revealed. One makes them feel better about a stolen election, the other requires tough introspection and the painful, honest of flaws.

Exactly. I'd be much more inclined to entertain Russian conspiracy theories if the people touting them weren't all: (1) Clinton lackeys looking for a convenient excuse for losing what should have been a lay-up of a presidential election by backing such an obviously flawed candidate; and (2) Republican neocon hawks looking for an excuse to raise tensions with Russia.

When Mitt Romney argued that Russia was our #1 geopolitical foe, Democrats ridiculed him for it (and rightly so). So I'm now supposed to believe that, in the intervening 4 years, Putin has somehow morphed into an omnicompetent strategic genius who managed to get a Manchurian candidate elected as US President? GTFO.
 
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Blaming the Russians for losing the election is like blaming the hotel room for getting caught with a prostitute.</p>— Rob Schneider (@RobSchneider) <a href="https://twitter.com/RobSchneider/status/810440936287145984">December 18, 2016</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">It's true. The Russians may have rigged the election by showing that the Democrats definitely rigged the election.</p>— Rob Schneider (@RobSchneider) <a href="https://twitter.com/RobSchneider/status/810794651640696832">December 19, 2016</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">U.S. Journalism 2017;<br>Rumor and Innuendo are reported as facts, leaked facts are regarded as meddling.</p>— Rob Schneider (@RobSchneider) <a href="https://twitter.com/RobSchneider/status/819387606295158784">January 12, 2017</a></blockquote>
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He's fair though

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Thank you, Mr. President <a href="https://twitter.com/BarackObama">@BarackObama</a> for your eight years of service to our country.</p>— Rob Schneider (@RobSchneider) <a href="https://twitter.com/RobSchneider/status/821860054089363458">January 18, 2017</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">After he leaves office, Trump will open The Trump Presidential Library.<br>It will have the thinnest walls imaginable.</p>— Rob Schneider (@RobSchneider) <a href="https://twitter.com/RobSchneider/status/820455616510496768">January 15, 2017</a></blockquote>
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I keep hearing Trump supporters say this about him getting the right people around him to get things done...

Have you seen his cabinet picks? Do you honestly think these are the kinds of people who are good for America?

Do you think it's ok that Trump still hasn't divested or released his tax returns?

Do you think it's ok that a foreign country helped influence the election? And that the soon-to-be POTUS and Sec. of State have strong business connections with said country?

Do you think it's ok and not hypocritical whatsoever that Trump is doing to CNN and other media outlets exactly what Obama did to Fox News that had Repubs so up in arms regarding freedom of the press, etc?

I'm legitimately asking these questions, because I have yet to find a pro-Trump person who can give me an honest response to these without mentioning HRC or any other Dem.
1)Yes, If he listens to Mattis... This will go well.[HRC MENTION] I saw the roster HRC had in mind and I would take Mattis in a heartbeat over the designated woman she had proposed or anyone else too.[/HRC MENTION] Mncuchin, Ross, and even Tillerson are fine by me. The rest won't do much anyways. Yes, Perry is a joke, but he won't do much. DOE doesn't do much in Energy as Perry knows it anyways. Labor could be interesting, but I would give it a chance. Carson isn't a good pick, but they needed a black guy. This was a vote for the businessmen to come to Washington and create jobs and GDP growth. I think he has a good lineup in the important positions. Education, Energy, and HUD don't do much anyways.

2) He's gone past the required minimum and I think it is tough to expect him to sell off everything when he is *supposedly* that rich. As for the tax returns, I expect that he hasn't released them because he doesn't want his true worth guessed and he hasn't been that charitable. I don't care. I've never judged a candidate by their taxes.

3) I think Russia did the hacking, but don't for a second think it influenced the results. The polling showed her at 67% viewing her as dishonest before the first hack and I don't think it influenced many, especially when she was running against Trump. She lost because she ran a campaign about trump, was generally disliked, didn't hit enough areas, and she tried to coast in by letting Trump lose, vice her winning. I didn't have an opinion on Tillerson until his hearing, but I believe he will do fine. Having world connections and ties is a good thing in my opinion. Being a CEO isn't necessarily a diplomat, but he should do fine. I expect him to be a step up from Kerry.

4) Trump is a character and I'm not a fan of how he handles people or the press. Sticking it to the liberals in the media, like BHO did for Fox is fair and fine in my opinion.

5) Trump was my least favorite person on the stage on the red team, except for maybe Carson, Santorum, or Christie. I wanted Rubio or Kasich. I didn't get my wish, but think that election was a signal that America wants different results and ideas in Washington. The blue team had an early hint at that signal when Bernie won the rust belt that also picked Trump. They ignored it then and will ignore it a second time at their own peril by blaming Russia and pretending they didn't just get spanked nationwide.
 

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Yes! Finally some pro-freedom and non activist judge appointments.

Yes! We can finally move on Suppressors, which the current rules on are absolutely stupid.

Yes! CCW across the board and we can quit making criminals out of law abiding citizens who have to determine each states unique laws. This should be uniform and CCW everywhere makes sense.

Yes! Peruto v California will have a decent 9th judge on the Supreme Court!

This author lives in a state that has demonstrated what the Democrats will do when unchecked to the second amendment. Soon they will have a handful of ammo every quarter on crappy guns from the list allowed by the state. ID's and registry's for ammo. It's insanity!

This authors description of CCW reciprocity is an absolute joke. To be expected this close to USC.
 
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The Vince Foster reference was a joke. "Curing" cancer, AIDS, and Vince Foster.... I shouldn't have expected you to be able to understand........ maybe you can go talk to one of your experts that you always seem to magically be talking to, no matter the topic, when you get into a debate with someone? They could maybe explain it to you...

Actually I didn't think you were serious. But frankly, Moosey, there be tleast one individual reading that wouldn't understand it.

So when you added it as a joke, I felt compelled to quash it.

And I am sorry I didn't flash the bat signal back to you, by overtly playing to the joke, but, well that would have been particularly tasteless, wouldn't it?

The rest, all the unsolicited personal put-down, at the end of your post really cracks me up! From after the, "I shouldn't have expected you to be able to understand........."
You guessed it, they are all imaginary friends! I used to just have a giant imaginary friend named Fred. He was a large pink rabbit. But he was kind of boring. So I made up a bunch of world class experts, there to answer any question I want, the way I wanted it answered. After all if I don't like their answer, I just don't invite them back!

Oh, man.
 
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I disagree that the Democrats have done nearly enough at this point to publicly acknowledge and address the issues revealed in the leaks.

Where was the apology for the bigoted anti-Catholic remarks?
Where was the apology for the media collusion?
Where was the apology for the racist anti-Latino remarks?
Why was DWS allowed to continue in a position of power after her corruption leaked before the convention?

I don't see the party coming even close to living up to the values it espouses, or doing nearly enough to right the wrongs from the leak.



All of this is correct. 100% correct.



This basically proves my point. Not once in your entire post did you talk about the Democrat issues revealed in the emails besides a throw away "the Clintons suck". Not once in three paragraphs did you talk about the corruption, bigotry, or unethical behavior found in the email leak... not once did you talk about the revealed collusion with the media.

Instead you said "but I'm sure the Republicans had bad stuff in their emails too!!!"... that's not the point. I'm not talking about the Republicans. I'm not interested in a partisan pissing contest. I'm talking about the Democrats and fixing the patently obvious party issues revealed by the leaks. Democrats (and their media allies) are obsessed with spending as much time as possible talking about Russia, and as little time as possible talking about the issues they revealed. One makes them feel better about a stolen election, the other requires tough introspection and the painful, honest of flaws.

It's no surprise that 100% of the effort is on doing the former and pretending that what was revealed "wasn't a big deal" or "the Republicans probably said the same stuff so it doesn't matter" or (insert any other excuse).

Now the hacked email are another issue.

I don't think anyone owes an apology for content of stolen documentation.

Especially when it is provided without context.

And, no the Russians probably didn't provide Wikileaks with information hacked from Trump or the RNC - The RNC did not perform the same operations as the DNC, which is in my mind one of the real reasons Trump won. All the RNC was in'16 was a clearing house for funding and support for the candidates. To get the equivalent, someone would have had to get Bannon, Breitbart, or something similar, in the time-frame the DNC was hacked.

Also, the information stolen from the DNC, had some, no attempt at excuses, information changed from original documents.

As far as the Catholic comments, in context the people whose emails were being hacked were criticizing Ailes and Murdock for their Catholic conversions, when on a business level, they were as ruthless as ever. Reread the emails. The emails were written by Catholics, criticizing certain individuals and their actions, not the Church. I could have written the same things, except it probably exhibited a little more judgement (because of the sweeping overgeneralizing nature of the comments,) than I would have been comfortable with.

Actually, I liken those comments in intent to my 'barbarians in Christians clothing' comments. Check it out, but it took me more than an hour to grab enough of the emails in the sequence to make heads or tails of it.
 

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Now the hacked email are another issue.

I don't think anyone owes an apology for content of stolen documentation.

See, this is the hypocrisy epitomized. I love you, Bogs... but this post is exactly what I'm talking about.

You (and everyone else) rightfully criticized Trump for the "grab them by the pussy" audio that was leaked. Audio he didn't know was being recorded, and there was no consent for it to be released.

But, we're not allowed to criticize Democrats for bigoted and racist and corrupt content that was leaked? How is that logically consistent much less fair?
 

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See, this is the hypocrisy epitomized. I love you, Bogs... but this post is exactly what I'm talking about.

You (and everyone else) rightfully criticized Trump for the "grab them by the pussy" audio that was leaked. Audio he didn't know was being recorded, and there was no consent for it to be released.

But, we're not allowed to criticize Democrats for bigoted and racist and corrupt content that was leaked? How is that logically consistent much less fair?
Exactly. If China had hacked the NYPD and found proof that Trump was running a prostitution ring and people voted for Hillary as a result, that would be just as valid. It doesn't make it GOOD that we got hacked, but the hacking doesn't excuse the underlying behavior.

I also love how Wikileaks is literally the worst thing ever unless you're the guy formerly known as Bradley Manning.
 
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