Trump Presidency

[arahop]

I guess I am still waiting for a smoking gun to connect dots between Trump and an attempted overthrow of government. I am actually still waiting for a smoking gun to point at saying there was an actual attemtp to overthrow our government. It looked like a directionless mob that had no clue what to when they finally did breach the capitol.

Lol

 

[Blazers46]

I guess you never will. It’s very clear what occurred. I watched his speech. I watched Juniors speech. I watched Guilliani. I watched him lie from November to Jan 6 and I watched all his followers buy in and threaten violence. Then he whipped them up to a frenzy and sent them marching saying he would March with them. He didn’t of course because he had no intention of leading them to the Capitol.
There is tons of evidence it was coordinated by the way. You don’t have to like it but it’s there. I don’t know what it would take to convince you but from what I have seen it was a coup attempt to stop the election certification and an attempt to capture the line of succession.

Have you seen the video of them inside the capitol? It was site seeing adventure for most with a self guided tour. That many "domestic terrorists" and in some videos they are just chopping it up with the law enforcement. I think they should all be charged to fullest they can charge them with. To be honest throw in some felony-murder charges for all that died that day as a result of their felonous behavior. Worst attemtped coup in the history coups if you can even call it that.

 

[Redbar]

They need to let this go and move on. Even if he is convicted, he won't go to jail. He'll be out on house arrest, which probably means he spends his time playing golf everyday.

Uhhh....hmm....yeah, no!

He just dipped his toe into insurrection. They didn’t actually accomplish anything right? Nobody got hurt. No harm no foul. He was just seeing if his followers could pull it off. If they had, I’m sure he would have been like, “no guys thanks but this isn’t the ‘American Way’ plus I never asked y’all to do all this.”

Why are some people so set on making sure that the law does not apply to Dennison? That is literally what this country is supposed to be ALL about you know? A nation of laws...no man above them...justice being blind... The more you talk, the more I wonder.

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

Uhhh....hmm....yeah, no!

He just dipped his toe into insurrection. They didn’t actually accomplish anything right? Nobody got hurt. No harm no foul. He was just seeing if his followers could pull it off. If they had, I’m sure he would have been like, “no guys thanks but this isn’t the ‘American Way’ plus I never asked y’all to do all this.”

Why are some people so set on making sure that the law does not apply to Dennison? That is literally what this country is supposed to be ALL about you know? A nation of laws...no man above them...justice being blind... The more you talk, the more I wonder.

Yep Trump would have totally been like

 

[NorthDakota]

Uhhh....hmm....yeah, no!

He just dipped his toe into insurrection. They didn’t actually accomplish anything right? Nobody got hurt. No harm no foul. He was just seeing if his followers could pull it off. If they had, I’m sure he would have been like, “no guys thanks but this isn’t the ‘American Way’ plus I never asked y’all to do all this.”

Why are some people so set on making sure that the law does not apply to Dennison? That is literally what this country is supposed to be ALL about you know? A nation of laws...no man above them...justice being blind... The more you talk, the more I wonder.

What law do you want Donald charged with?

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/legal-issues/conspiracy-oath-keeper-arrest-capitol-riot/2021/01/19/fb84877a-5a4f-11eb-8bcf-3877871c819d_story.html

n charging papers, the FBI said that during the Capitol riot, Caldwell received Facebook messages from unspecified senders updating him of the location of lawmakers. When he posted a one-word message, “Inside,” he received exhortations and directions describing tunnels, doors and hallways, the FBI said.
Some messages, according to the FBI, included, “Tom all legislators are down in the Tunnels 3floors down,” and “Go through back house chamber doors facing N left down hallway down steps.” Another message read: “All members are in the tunnels under capital seal them in. Turn on gas,” the FBI added.

Sight seeing. Smh

 

[NEIIrish]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/legal-issues/conspiracy-oath-keeper-arrest-capitol-riot/2021/01/19/fb84877a-5a4f-11eb-8bcf-3877871c819d_story.html


Sight seeing. Smh

It’s funny that you have faith in the fbi.

 

[Old Man Mike]

Why not? I have a relative who is in a fairly high detective-type position in the FBI, and he is a REALLY dedicated straight arrow.

 

[Blazers46]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/legal-issues/conspiracy-oath-keeper-arrest-capitol-riot/2021/01/19/fb84877a-5a4f-11eb-8bcf-3877871c819d_story.html


Sight seeing. Smh

I hope they all get what they deserve. I hope they get all involved and prosecute to the fullest. But back to the original point. I’ll wait for that smoking gun linking Trump to any of it. Trumps speech was just more Trump being Trump. If he’s guilty and there is a smoking gun linking him to all you are stating I say we hand him to Kathy Griffin and be done with it.

 

[Redbar]

What law do you want Donald charged with?

Aren’t you in law school? Be a good student...or an average student. It’s not that hard.
I’ll throw you a bone tho, start with election laws.

 

[NEIIrish]

Why not? I have a relative who is in a fairly high detective-type position in the FBI, and he is a REALLY dedicated straight arrow.

Solid anecdote bro, take a lap and google fbi scandals. Dismount that horse that’s 10’ tall before you reply too..

 

[NorthDakota]

Aren’t you in law school? Be a good student...or an average student. It’s not that hard.
I’ll throw you a bone tho, start with election laws.

I'm not the prosecutor. If you guys want him locked up, you gotta go ahead and lay out the case.

I ain't even saying he doesn't deserve it. But I'm not one of the guys claiming he violated a criminal statute now am I?

 

[ulukinatme]

I hope they all get what they deserve. I hope they get all involved and prosecute to the fullest. But back to the original point. I’ll wait for that smoking gun linking Trump to any of it. Trumps speech was just more Trump being Trump. If he’s guilty and there is a smoking gun linking him to all you are stating I say we hand him to Kathy Griffin and be done with it.

Cruel and unusual punishment.

 

[arahop]

At this point, wouldn't the left want him to run again?

I don't think anyone who isn't motivated by trumpism wants him to run. The Republican party sure as hell shouldn't either.

 

[ab2cmiller]

I don't think anyone who isn't motivated by trumpism wants him to run. The Republican party sure as hell shouldn't either.

Republican Party as a whole shouldn’t want him to run, because if he did he would likely win in a splintered field. Only way he wouldn’t is if the Republicans did what the Democrats did this year and quickly forced out candidates early in the primary to get behind a single candidate to take Trump on. There’s just far to many people who are loyal to Trump. With that said, I’ve read that all the Q followers are now pissed at Trump, which should make it less likely.

 

[ulukinatme]

Kevin Sorbo/Gina Carano 2024!

Half kidding...would be funny.

[EDIT] I take it back. Bob Kevoin for Pres!

 

[SonofOahu]

Kevin Sorbo/Gina Carano 2024!

Half kidding...would be funny.

[EDIT] I take it back. Bob Kevoin for Pres!

I mean, AOC does have a nice rack.

 

[ulukinatme]

I mean, AOC does have a nice rack.

Boobs really do bring people together.

 

[Irish#1]

Be careful. That's a wolf in sheep's clothing.

 

[dublinirish]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">JUST IN: Dominion files $1.3 billion defamation lawsuit against Rudy Giuliani <a href="https://t.co/rLBiEuRtkC">https://t.co/rLBiEuRtkC</a></p>— Axios (@axios) <a href="https://twitter.com/axios/status/1353681787982139392?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 25, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

lol this is hilarious

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">JUST IN: Dominion files $1.3 billion defamation lawsuit against Rudy Giuliani <a href="https://t.co/rLBiEuRtkC">https://t.co/rLBiEuRtkC</a></p>— Axios (@axios) <a href="https://twitter.com/axios/status/1353681787982139392?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 25, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

lol this is hilarious

I read that his consciousness of guilt is so easy to prove. He led multiple court cases where when asked to present evidence under oath he never did and there are numerous public appearances where he told what Dominion calls blatant public lies.

Guilliani said he welcomed a lawsuit becasue discovery would be epic. ME thinks he overplayed his hand a bit. They could very well ruin him. Couldn't happen to a nicer piece of shit.

 

[NorthDakota]

Be careful. That's a wolf in sheep's clothing.

Lol right....a great rack is temporary. But you gotta appreciate them in the meantime

 

[IrishLax]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">1. Senate Republicans do not want to defend Trump's conduct because he incited a riot that killed 5 people<br><br>But they also don't want to convict Trump because Trump is still popular with the GOP base<br><br>So they've invented a third way: IT'S UNCONSTITUTIONAL<a href="https://t.co/DEF0EF63oO">https://t.co/DEF0EF63oO</a></p>— Judd Legum (@JuddLegum) <a href="https://twitter.com/JuddLegum/status/1354066834153213952?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 26, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

This is basically where we're at -- and to be fair, it's at least a debated point among legal experts who study the Constitution -- and it's why there is a 0.0% chance of Trump being convicted. Even Josh freaking Hawley yesterday condemned Trump and his rhetoric... but said it's unconstitutional to impeach now that he's already out of office.

So the vast majority of Republicans are going to do the following: say how terrible the events of January 6th were; blame or partially blame Trump for them; and then say "but I think its unconstitutional and sets a bad precedent to try someone who is out of office." That way when they are up for reelection they can say that they condemned the violence while also not antagonizing Trump loyalists. It's shrewd politics. I think at maximum Trump will get 55 votes to convict and nowhere near the 67.

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

I find that argument unconvincing.
1. The impeachable offense was committed while in office. He was impeached while in office.
2. Trump can still run for office again. If not President, some other office, unless convicted. Also after conviction, there can be a simple majority vote to deny him SS detail, financial support and the PDB and intelligence reports. This is massively important IMO.

He shouldn't be allowed to run again nor hold any office after this. He also is an intelligence liability of the highest order. No way should he get the PDB or daily intel reports. I have every expectation that he would sell the PDB to the highest bidder at the earliest convenience. The dude and his family are grifters 1st and foremost.

I'm not expecting GOP to convict him simply becasue its politically damaging to their party and its a shame that politics is the deciding factor instead of the correct thing to do but such is the way of things.

But if he isnt convicted then make them vote on it at least.


If this is allowed to go unpunished, what will happen the next item when they actually do succeed? In this instance I am very much ok with terminating with extreme prejudice.

 

[dublinirish]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Twitter has permanently banned My Pillow CEO Mike Lindell’s account after he continually perpetuated the baseless claim that Donald Trump won the 2020 U.S. presidential election. <a href="https://t.co/oSn6q11xFD">https://t.co/oSn6q11xFD</a></p>— The Associated Press (@AP) <a href="https://twitter.com/AP/status/1353982648323072003?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 26, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[NorthDakota]

I find that argument unconvincing.
1. The impeachable offense was committed while in office. He was impeached while in office.
2. Trump can still run for office again. If not President, some other office, unless convicted. Also after conviction, there can be a simple majority vote to deny him SS detail, financial support and the PDB and intelligence reports. This is massively important IMO.

He shouldn't be allowed to run again nor hold any office after this. He also is an intelligence liability of the highest order. No way should he get the PDB or daily intel reports. I have every expectation that he would sell the PDB to the highest bidder at the earliest convenience. The dude and his family are grifters 1st and foremost.

I'm not expecting GOP to convict him simply becasue its politically damaging to their party and its a shame that politics is the deciding factor instead of the correct thing to do but such is the way of things.

But if he isnt convicted then make them vote on it at least.


If this is allowed to go unpunished, what will happen the next item when they actually do succeed? In this instance I am very much ok with terminating with extreme prejudice.

Its not clear whether impeachment would preclude him from running for office anyway.

 

[GoIrish41]

Its not clear whether impeachment would preclude him from running for office anyway.

It’s just another vote tacked on at the end of the proceedings. Fifty one votes and he can never hold office again. This is almost certain to happen.

 

[NorthDakota]

It’s just another vote tacked on at the end of the proceedings. Fifty one votes and he can never hold office again. This is almost certain to happen.

That has never been decided as far as I have read. The most compelling argument I've read was that it would be essentially a part of "sentencing" where the convicted accused has fewer procedural protections.

I dont really care what ends up happening with it at the end of the day beyond it being kinda interesting.

I've also read that legal experts aren't even sure its allowed to impeach a President who isn't occupying the office.

Point being, I wouldn't assume anything is definitely right or definitely wrong with a lot of this stuff because there isn't much of anything to go on.

 

[GoIrish41]

That has never been decided as far as I have read. The most compelling argument I've read was that it would be essentially a part of "sentencing" where the convicted accused has fewer procedural protections.

I dont really care what ends up happening with it at the end of the day beyond it being kinda interesting.

I've also read that legal experts aren't even sure its allowed to impeach a President who isn't occupying the office.

Point being, I wouldn't assume anything is definitely right or definitely wrong with a lot of this stuff because there isn't much of anything to go on.

He was impeached while in office and there is precedent for holding impeachments after leaving office.

 

[NorthDakota]

He was impeached while in office and there is precedent for holding impeachments after leaving office.

No one said that wasn't the case. If you'd like to go educate those law professors in AP and Time articles talking about these things, their emails are almost certainly available through their law school websites.

If the guys who eat this shit up for a living aren't entirely positive on some of the specifics, I wouldn't assume anything.

I dont think it will probably matter much anyway, interesting exclusively from a potential Supreme Court opinion perspective.