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This season has taken a beating from critics, and I can recognize some flaws and it certainly isn't a perfect show, but the show is still entertaining and I personally like trying to untangle all these plot points and don't see that part as a negative. Too much of film/tv/music criticism is an echo chamber where once a narrative takes hold everyone else piles on. Nobody wants to be the one with a slightly different opinion.

I agree, I think the show was at times slower than I would've liked but still entertaining. If this was S1, I don't think the critics would be as loud. Coming off what I think was one of the most entertaining seasons of any show, thats a lot to live up to. I never have felt S2 would be as good so my expectations were lower than some.
 

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It's almost a polar opposite of Season 1. Where if the rest of the season wasn't so damn intriguing, the final episode would have been lauded more. But instead, it was kinda background noise to the series as a whole.

If Sunday they drop a sick beat on the finale, then it could easily carry it with one episode.

If that happens, no one can question Nic Pizzolatto's genius.
 

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It's almost a polar opposite of Season 1. Where if the rest of the season wasn't so damn intriguing, the final episode would have been lauded more. But instead, it was kinda background noise to the series as a whole.

If Sunday they drop a sick beat on the finale, then it could easily carry it with one episode.

If that happens, no one can question Nic Pizzolatto's genius.

"Always expect the worse and you will never be disappointed"

That's a quote I made up after the first episode of this season. Safe to say I haven't been disappointed, just a little confused.

It's also how I take every ND football season since I've been alive.
 

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Well, thoughts anyone?

IMO, the last episode was good but didn't 'wow' me. Wanted to go back and watch the previous episodes of this season but didnt have the time. Thought that might help with some of my confusion.
 

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Meh...way too predictable IMO. We knew who was going to die within the first 15 minutes of the episode.

Kelly Reilly's scenes were painful as usual.

I will say Ray may be one of my favorite characters of all time and there were a couple of tremendous episodes (the big shootout and last week's).

Overall I think it took to long to get us somewhere we knew it was going. Still one of the best shows on tv and overall a good season but I guess I set my expectations too high.
 

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I just wish, at some point in their travels around LA, that Ray and Ani had stopped to get a taco. Would've felt a lot more realistic.
 

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scale from one to ten vs all other tv, 7 or 8 ish. compared to last season... 3

will rewatch around holidays when I have time to chill.
 

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Meh...way too predictable IMO. We knew who was going to die within the first 15 minutes of the episode.

Kelly Reilly's scenes were painful as usual.

I will say Ray may be one of my favorite characters of all time and there were a couple of tremendous episodes (the big shootout and last week's).

Overall I think it took to long to get us somewhere we knew it was going. Still one of the best shows on tv and overall a good season but I guess I set my expectations too high.

Completely agree about Reilly. Feels like they realize she isnt that good and have her cleavage out ALL THE TIME to kind of make up for it.
 

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Episodes 7 and 8 would have made a pretty good movie. As a 8 1/2 hour TV show this was... lacking... to say the least.
 

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Agree on the predictability. I was sure after last weeks episode there would something really good in this finale.

Just not enough consistency for me over the season to get as involved as last. Overall, good but not great, and hoping for a season 3
 

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No clue what was going on this season. S1 wasn't anything great for me but I knew wtf was going on at least. The Brink is pretty amazing, to short tho.
 

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The last episode was a big disappointment, so very predictable and derivative. Case in point , Ray on his way to escape decides I better pull of the highway and go take one last look at my son. My My, that's a story vehicle you see in the worst shlock, I could get away but I better go check this or that one last time, that of course is followed by the predictable run in with the monster , the serial killer , or in this case the corrupt police killers.

And then Frank , it looks like they may leave him out there alive but he can't restrain himself from asking his would be killers for a ride....hmmmm

There was no surprise and no shock to the ending , it was just a dreary ending to a somewhat convoluted story to begin with. The audience invested hours in these characters and this complicated story and instead of rewarding the audience with some kind of payoff beyond the expected, instead, the plot punishes it with a predictable melodramatic B movie type of story wrap.

The tedious array of off screen characters and what their role was in this long overbearing story is mostly explained by Ray and Ani and the surviving child of the robbery, in a LONG BORING explanation of what exactly everyones role was. Just a very lazy way to explain and link the variety of characters together , another tribute to made for TV movies that can join the sudden appearance of the crazed knife wielding orphan and his chained up sister who was all so happy to explain weeks of plot points to us in a couple of quick sentences. This was simply a failure to finish.

From the convenient plot explanations to the last minute diversion to see my son ( a sullen and non responsive little tike) to the over the top Death march by Frank....

This season, to quote Larry Holmes, could not hold the jock strap of season one!!

My concern is this director had one almost masterpiece of TV ( season one) in him and after that may just have nothing left. That happens so often in creative enterprises.
 
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My concern is this director had one almost masterpiece of TV ( season one) in him and after that may just have nothing left. That happens so often in creative enterprises.
It wasn't the same director.

I think many of the complaints about season two are the product of season one being vastly overrated. Season one made so many promises in terms of narrative complexity, mystery, and conspiracy, just to fail to deliver on any of them in the finale. Season one could have been amazing but the conclusion turned it into a highly produced episode of Criminal Minds.

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The finale was a little bit of a let down. Seemed there was some filler in there to get it to 1 1/2 hours.

Ray stopping to see his son was obvious. In reality if you weren't going to see your kid for a long long time, maybe never, wouldn't you want to see them one last time? Thus the reason it was in the script. The shootout in the forest didn't go over well. He talks about ditching the car in a garage then ends up in the forest with no one around? Easier to get lost in a crowd.

With everything on the line Frank gets boxed in?

I thought the bartender was going to kill Bezzerides out of jealousy, leaving all the main characters dead.

Overall, season 2 was worth watching IMO.
 

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It wasn't the same director.

I think many of the complaints about season two are the product of season one being vastly overrated. Season one made so many promises in terms of narrative complexity, mystery, and conspiracy, just to fail to deliver on any of them in the finale. Season one could have been amazing but the conclusion turned it into a highly produced episode of Criminal Minds.

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Oddly, Season 2 took the same crucial plot twist that so many people criticized Season 1 for: It built this elaborate conspiracy with all sorts of interesting questions and characters, triggered by a murder that really had nothing to do with any of it.

Obviously at this point that's an intentional decision, designed to illuminate the darkness inside us, or how time is a flat circle or whatever. But this show asks you to invest a lot, and the payoff at this point is somewhat limited. At least Season One gave a good ride along the way. Less so this time. I'll watch Season Three, but I'd imagine patience will wear thin.
 

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Can anyone explain why the audio message to Ray's son didn't go through? I just thought it was overkill considering Ray was already dead. They should have either dropped the message story entirely or had it go through. I didn't think it served any symbolic purpose but perhaps I missed something.
 

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Can anyone explain why the audio message to Ray's son didn't go through? I just thought it was overkill considering Ray was already dead. They should have either dropped the message story entirely or had it go through. I didn't think it served any symbolic purpose but perhaps I missed something.
Futility, I guess. Ray's death couldn't have been the nail in the coffin on his failure as a father because he wasn't planning on seeing his son ever again anyways. The message not getting through was their way of saying "sometimes you had the best of intentions... sometimes you didn't... but either way you're a giant fuckup as a father."

The one thing I missed was why Bezzerides and Frank's wife had to leave at the very end. I thought they were supposed to be safe.
 

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It wasn't the same director.

I think many of the complaints about season two are the product of season one being vastly overrated. Season one made so many promises in terms of narrative complexity, mystery, and conspiracy, just to fail to deliver on any of them in the finale. Season one could have been amazing but the conclusion turned it into a highly produced episode of Criminal Minds.

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I totally 100% agree. Season 1 was good, but I thought the ending was really disappointing. I have friends and co-workers talk about it like it was Literature, a la The Wire, and it is nowhere near that level, imo.

I would say Season 2 was actually better than Season 1. It was a richer story. I love stuff about local government corruption.
 

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Can anyone explain why the audio message to Ray's son didn't go through? I just thought it was overkill considering Ray was already dead. They should have either dropped the message story entirely or had it go through. I didn't think it served any symbolic purpose but perhaps I missed something.

Oh, I thought it was emblematic of the larger problem the characters were facing at that point, that they had solved the crime but had no way of letting anyone know the truth and bringing the guilty parties to justice.
 

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I don't understand the "predictability" criticism. Unless you are a teenager and haven't seen or read very much, every show is predictable.
 

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I don't understand the "predictability" criticism. Unless you are a teenager and haven't seen or read very much, every show is predictable.

I don't think that's true. The Sopranos was never predictable Lost, House of Cards also come to mind. I don't mind some predictability but when the biggest "twist" was that Ben Casper was that girl's father (incest = gross), that's pretty boring. Considering the entire season was confusing and took so long to get to the main action I would have thought they could give us a little more.
 
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Oh, I thought it was emblematic of the larger problem the characters were facing at that point, that they had solved the crime but had no way of letting anyone know the truth and bringing the guilty parties to justice.

That plus his son was going to see the news about his dad and grow up never knowing the truth. The one victory for Ray he didn't even get to find out was that he is the father.
 

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That plus his son was going to see the news about his dad and grow up never knowing the truth. The one victory for Ray he didn't even get to find out was that he is the father.


Someone called that super early. I forget who. :)
 

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It was very meh at the end. The decision making just went to complete crap. I mean, if you know there's a tracking device, why drive the car? Why not take the bag of money and start walking through a huge neighborhood until you can either jack a car, call an Uber, or hail a taxi? I mean, wouldn't you at least try that?

Just, meh. And how did the Mexicans know where to find Frank? They just....appeared.
 

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No single-shot scene will ever beat this 6 minute scene from season 1. This is what made season one so great IMO.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s_HuFuKiq8U

That scene and the scene with the white trash guys making meth, wearing the promethean mask just before credits rolled. That had my heart pumping.

This season was a flop. I tried to lend it some credit until the very end but it just didn't do it for me. The story was meh. The acting was meh. The action was meh.

With that said, I hope Nick P gets one more season to show what he can do. I just wish he could recreate the first season magic....perhaps it was lightning in a bottle.
 

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It was very meh at the end. The decision making just went to complete crap. I mean, if you know there's a tracking device, why drive the car? Why not take the bag of money and start walking through a huge neighborhood until you can either jack a car, call an Uber, or hail a taxi? I mean, wouldn't you at least try that?

Just, meh. And how did the Mexicans know where to find Frank? They just....appeared.

I had issue with both those things as well. Frank has done a great job to lay low and out of vision of the Russians and everyone else, accept for the Mexicans? I was hoping they'd at least expand on that a little and maybe somebody gave him up but without that it was just a bad writing decision. I also agree that they could've made Ray's decision more exciting or thoughtful, accept it was a little bit harder for him, knowing he's a wanted felon. Which made sense when Hollaway said that to him in the bus station. They theoretically could've killed him whenever but were trying to get to Bezzerides.
 

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<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/gf1ot4mFEv4" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

I saw this on reddit today. I loled.
 

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<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/gf1ot4mFEv4" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

I saw this on reddit today. I loled.

LOL, thanks for sharing.
 
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