Thoughts on Today's Practice

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I made it out to the practice this morning. Since the media can only report on the first 30 mins, I’ll go ahead and write what I saw. Caveat…this is from a fan’s perspective. I’m no football coach and I never played higher than h.s. so take it with a giant grain of salt. My two major take aways:

1. Golson looked clearly better than Zaire today IMHO. I mean, clearly better. His arm is just ridiculous. He’s firing BB’s all over the place. I’m talking deep outs from the opposite hash, right on the money, timed perfectly, over a backer, chest high, etc. He even went threw up the middle a couple of times, against a rush with arms up, which is huge (he hit Fuller on a seem route that was gorgeous…the very next play he threw a deep out to a WR, jussssst over the finger-tips of a frustrated Jaylon Smith. It was sick). Other than 2 bad passes in a row that he had, the ball just doesn’t hit the ground much when Golson is in the game (insert ASU turnover joke here).

Now, the problem with Zaire is that he looks unbelievable on one rep, and then bad on the next 2. His consistency was a major problem today. For example, he threw a post to Fuller that was a thing of beauty, and then the very next play he missed a wide-open WR on a busted coverage on a fly route, and he missed him by like 10 yards. It happened like that quite often. And when he’s off, he really sails the ball. I’m not saying he’s not good…he does a lot of good things. I’m just saying, based on today, he still needs a lot of work on his passing. So for me, just based on today, it’s gotta be Golson. And if he’s not the leader that we wish he could be, then someone else needs to take the bull by the horns, bc IMHO he will give us the best chance to win big. He looked that good.

2. Tillery – HOLY COW. The hype is MORE than justified. First off, I can’t believe it’s him. He’s in incredible shape. Last year he was fat. Huge belly, totally a round dude. Now he looks like a different kid. I know that’s already been stated here, but man, what a difference! Anyway, I didn’t pay attention to the D-Line much, but when they went live, Tillery was a straight beast. On one play early in practice, Martin stuffed him at the line, pushing him to Martin’s left. The ball was run up the middle, but more to the right(ish). I’ve seen a lot of players give up on a play like that. But he off spun off the block, ran to the left and found the RB and immediately stuffed him for maybe a one-yard gain. Live, it was impressive. Late in practice, they tried two runs up the middle runs, and Tillery stuffed both of them for no gains (with help from Jay Hayes on one of them). I don’t like to overly hype guys in spring, but I’m telling you, Tillery is the truth. I can’t wait to see him play against Texas.

Some other random thoughts:

* Kelly is coaching them hard again. I saw this Kelly at the spring practice in 2012, and I love this Kelly. In 2013, he took more of a CEO approach and let Martin be the bad guy. He’d get in there once in a while, but he wasn’t the red-*** Kelly. Red-*** Kelly was here today. On one play, Zaire bailed on a play early against the pass rush, and as he escaped the pocket he threw the ball far out of bounds (safe play). Kelly yelled, “Get him out!!!” and Golson took the next 6-7 plays before Zaire got back in there. He did the same thing to Jay Hayes, kicking him off the field for a play (not sure why, but he might have been too physical during the ‘thud’ period. Jayes hit GB, and I could hear Kelly yelling “Let him go. Let him go!” and Hayes kept giving him the business. Kelly laid into him right after that, so I am GUESSING that’s why. But to his credit, after kicking him off, Kelly quickly went over to him, and they had a talk, and Hayes was back in 2 plays after getting kicked off. Kelly could be heard quite often today. He’s fully invested, no doubt.

* They’ve added a jet sweep/read option play to the RB (in this case, GB) that I really like. I know they’ve run it with Procise, but this had more of an Oregon feel to it. Also, not sure how they will play in the fall, but man, we have 3 good-looking RB’s in Folston, GB, and Procise. They pass the eye-ball test when running against air, no doubt.

* Kizer didn’t get too many reps, but like Zaire, he is inconsistent with those reps. He has a cannon though. He hit one WR on an out-route from the opposite hash that was filthy. He’s also much bigger than the other QB’s.

* I didn’t pay too much attention to the LB’s, but Morgan has an elite first step/burst, and he is well put together. If he gets it mentally, I don’t see how you keep him off the field. He’s an SEC-caliber athlete. He and Jaylon need to be on the field together.

* WR’s had too many drops again. Not good. Fuller is fantastic and should have a monster year again, but early in practice he let a slant hit him in the chest (he still caught it) and then later he did the same thing and it popped off his shoulder pads. Holmes had 2 drops. Procise had has obligatory drop (coming out of the backfield), Torii had one (immediately after getting a pep talk on the side from Kelly lol), even Amir had a drop.

* Having said that, there’s a ton of talent at that spot. Corey R. was out injured, but even without him those boys look really good. Chris Brown, once again, looks like a spring All-Star. I predicted he’d have a break-out year after watching him dominate last spring, but it didn’t happen until late in the season. Hopefully it’ll continue, as he looks like a tough match-up. Holmes has come a long way and looks really good. Fuller is Fuller. Brent did some nice things, as did Torii Hunter. It’s a really good group.

* I was impressed with Watkins. He had some fantastic one on one reps early in practice. I think he’s Todd Lyght’s type of DB. He’s not a bad back-up to have. Luke had a quiet day, which is great for a DB. I never saw him get burned badly. Brown had an incredible catch over him on a fade for a TD early in practice, but the coverage was there. Other times, he had great coverage. Lyght is coaching Butler very hard. There was one rep where the WR caught it in front of him, but Butler had good coverage. I turned to DogGuy and said at least he had good coverage…and then Lyght ripped into him about exploding to the ball and making a play on it lol. Like I said, I know next-to-nothing.

* I thought Hayes looked great when I saw him. A guy I trust said Dew-Treadway was impressive as well. I didn’t see him much, but man, he is an impressive-looking prospect. He’s in great shape and towers over most of the linemen. Suddenly, our D-tackle depth looks extremely strong.

* Hard to get a read on safeties without tackling going on, but Redfield was around the ball a lot, and Shumate did have a fantastic break-up of a deep out from Golson. Baratti played a lot, so expect him to be in the mix until his shoulder gives out. Tranquill was out there but no contact…he did however do one of those jumping side/chest bumps with a student manager to start practice, and he got way up there, so the knee must be feeling good.

* I got to see Coach Gilmore for a bit. He’s definitely a technician. He had them working with their hands a lot. I liked the drills he was doing. Let’s hope it shows up in the fall. He’s got the track record.

* Coach Sanford was quiet. Young-looking dude. I’m sure he’s just working his way in. He’s been getting rave reviews from people who went to hear him talk though. Denbrock got after one of his receivers, but he wasn’t too loud either. The louder coaches are definitely Kelly, BVG, and Heistand (at times). BVG spent a TON of time with the LB’s while Mo Crum was with the safeties. Elston was there but very quiet while BVG did his thing. Read into that what you will, BGS writers.

* Smythe and Luatua got a lot of time. Smythe lined up like Eifert used to quite a few times and had a couple of catches (and a bad drop), and even got a sweet block on Johnny Williams (put him on his arse). Luatua is much more of a plodder, but showed good hands. He’s still a big dude that hopefully will help our running game.

* I don’t see how you don’t invite Amir back (there’s been talk of not bringing him back from some fans). He’s starting at the slot right now as CJ played RB exclusively. Hunter played outside a lot today, and we don’t know what we have in Sanders yet. And like every other practice I’ve seen from him, nobody could match-up with him. He’s too quick and shifty. And while he not been consistent and is oft-injured, he has had some very good games. I think it’s a no-brainer, but that’s just me.

I’m sure I missed a lot of things, as there is just too much going on to see everything. Plus two guys behind me who shall go nameless talked about fencing for 45 minutes, so that distracted me for a bit. Taking the wife out to eat, so I apologize in advance for any typos.
 
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Thanks for the update, Hollywood. This comment:

1. Golson looked clearly better than Zaire today IMHO. I mean, clearly better. His arm is just ridiculous. He’s firing BB’s all over the place. I’m talking deep outs from the opposite hash, right on the money, timed perfectly, over a backer, chest high, etc. He even went threw up the middle a couple of times, against a rush with arms up, which is huge (he hit Fuller on a seem route that was gorgeous…the very next play he threw a deep out to a WR, jussssst over the finger-tips of a frustrated Jaylon Smith. It was sick). Other than 2 bad passes in a row that he had, the ball just doesn’t hit the ground much when Golson is in the game (insert ASU turnover joke here).

Now, the problem with Zaire is that he looks unbelievable on one rep, and then bad on the next 2. His consistency was a major problem today. For example, he threw a post to Fuller that was a thing of beauty, and then the very next play he missed a wide-open WR on a busted coverage on a fly route, and he missed him by like 10 yards. It happened like that quite often. And when he’s off, he really sails the ball. I’m not saying he’s not good…he does a lot of good things. I’m just saying, based on today, he still needs a lot of work on his passing. So for me, just based on today, it’s gotta be Golson. And if he’s not the leader that we wish he could be, then someone else needs to take the bull by the horns, bc IMHO he will give us the best chance to win big. He looked that good.

Looks eerily similar to:

3.22.14* Golson is throwing BB's all over the field. Holy cow that kid is slinging it! He has more command of the offense now too; he called some audibles, one of them in particular worked really well for a nice gain to Justin Brent. And he can still run. A play broke down once, and he scrambled, waited for a receiver to break open, and then took off. He got one on one with Schmidt and it was over lol.

* Zaire - there is absolutely no way Golson isn't the starting QB in September. However, Zaire looks much improved. He made some great throws that he didn't make last August. I was really impressed. He had a bullet throw to Procise up the seam that was impressive. Still inconsistent though (he had a bad slip for a sack and followed that up with a fumble off the zone-read); he threw a few in the dirt during shell drills mixed with his nice throws. Still, he has great feet and a lively arm...I'm excited for him.

One of the hardest things for a coach to do is understand the dynamic between "practice players" and "gamers". I'm sure Dayne Crist looked like a 5* stud in practice, but he also looked like a 1* dud in games. I'm not saying this is the exact same situation here, but man... I don't envy's BK's job of having to figure out the QB situation. Basing it simply off which guy practices better certainly didn't work well for us last season.
 

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Can you be more specific about Brent, if you happened to see him do stuff. Brown mehhhh, I can only hope he doesn't stay on field if he struggles with dbs like last year.
 

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Thanks for the info.

What's the back story on Huerrman?

Changed #'s...he was out there. I edited the OP. Sorry about that.

I will say that he can't put on the necessary weight, and that has killed him. Perhaps football just isn't that important to him now. It happens. Also, he likes to ummmm, party a bit, from talking to a couple of people who would know.
 

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Really fired up about Tillery and the DL in general. Lots of Depth there and on the OL as well. That is a recipe for championship football. The best news for me though is Kelly getting after the team. We have lots of talent this year, I could be a special one.

I hope that it is Golson who takes the reigns this year, but there has to be a way to get Zaire in the fold as well. Mix it up, add red zone packages with him and put Luatua and Barrs in as extra blockers. It's time to kick some as and take names in the process. We are loaded, have depth everywhere minus S, but Max and Shumate are gonna break out. Damnit, we are so close lol.
 
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Seriously tho...thx
 

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Just like last year, I'm calling for a 70/30 split at QB predicated on how each player is doing. If Golson is on fire, perfectly timed throws and reading defenses/going through his progressions, keep him out there. If Zaire gets in and is killing defenses with his ability to run the read option and the occasional deep ball, keep him out there.

Last year, we could've salvaged a few games if Zaire had been put in to give Golson a chance to think. It's a revisionist look, but if we don't have a clear number one going into fall, then it makes sense to play both of them. They can each do something the other can't but they both can hopefully do enough to keep defenses honest.
 

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Wooly, honestly, the guy who wrote that about Golson and Zaire last year sounds like an absolute genius. :laugh:

Seriously though, the gap is wide, as far as practice goes. I texted a reporter friend of mine who was there (a guy who knows WAY more than me), just to make sure I wasn't crazy, and he said that the two weren't even close today. I mean, Golson looked even better than last year.

But as you said, it's just practice. Zaire brings that leadership, that ability to galvanize a team. So it's tough. But if he is as inconsistent as he was today, then that leadership will mean crap after another 3 and out. I'd go with Golson, because when he is right, he is a winner with a ton of game. But my closest friends are done with Golson, and I can see why after the last 5 games of the season. Zaire is an attractive option as well.

Can you be more specific about Brent, if you happened to see him do stuff. Brown mehhhh, I can only hope he doesn't stay on field if he struggles with dbs like last year.

Not much as far as Brent...he beat the DB's in several one on ones, had a bad drop, got beat a couple of times, etc etc. I don't see him beating out the WR's in front of him, but he looks much improved.

Brown looked really good towards the end of the year. The LSU corners are very good, and they couldn't match up with him and Fuller a lot of times. The light bulb might have gone off. I wouldn't count him out yet...
 

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Thanks for the update, Hollywood. This comment:



Looks eerily similar to:



One of the hardest things for a coach to do is understand the dynamic between "practice players" and "gamers". I'm sure Dayne Crist looked like a 5* stud in practice, but he also looked like a 1* dud in games. I'm not saying this is the exact same situation here, but man... I don't envy's BK's job of having to figure out the QB situation. Basing it simply off which guy practices better certainly didn't work well for us last season.

I was thinking about that too. Got to say though that Crist never really had any good games. On the other hand, Golson did have some fantastic performances. Hopefully, he can put it together every Saturday. Easier said than done, but still...
 

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I think Golson should start, but Zaire should play significant snaps. I think he is too good to keep off the field.
 

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Hollywood's post confirms it, let Golson/Zaire be Leak/Tebow. I'll be disappointed otherwise.

Golson can be the experienced guy with the better arm that runs the base offense like Leak, and Zaire can be the all-purpose bruiser at QB that makes big things happen via leadership and desire when used at the right times like Tebow.
 

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Disappointed to hear the QB situation... I'm personally just over Golson...but thx for the write up as always LA...
 

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astonishing that people actually believe Malik is better.
 

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Thanks for the write up Hollywood. I'm still Team Golson, But either way, I'm glad that it appears that its not even close as far as a competition goes. Granted, only a short viewing window of one practice. But still a positive in my opinion.

I think a run first offense with Golson at the helm is better is better than a run first offense with Malik at the helm. Malik just makes me nervous throwing the ball. Although Golson throws INT's I think giving him relief with a solid running game will do him wonders.
 

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astonishing that people actually believe Malik is better.

A better passer? No, but I think he certainly runs with the ball better. He shows more leadership on the field too, and doesn't mouth off to Kelly or walk right past him when he comes to the sideline. I think the question is "Can Golson finally take care of the football?" and if he can't, who puts us in the best position to win? The guy that is an option threat, seems to take care of the ball, and is average in the passing game, or the guy that can really sling it, can take off occasionally if a play breaks down, and may have issues holding onto the ball?
 

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Thanks for the write up Hollywood. I'm still Team Golson, But either way, I'm glad that it appears that its not even close as far as a competition goes. Granted, only a short viewing window of one practice. But still a positive in my opinion.

I think a run first offense with Golson at the helm is better is better than a run first offense with Malik at the helm. Malik just makes me nervous throwing the ball. Although Golson throws INT's I think giving him relief with a solid running game will do him wonders.

I think it is more about what style of run-first offense you are going with. If you want to look like Alabama or Wisconsin, then Golson is probably the better option, but if you want it too look more like Auburn, Oregon, etc. then Zaire is probably the better option. If you go somewhere in-between those two (where I believe that a ND run-first offense would probably fall) then the picture becomes more muddled.
 

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Disappointed to hear the QB situation... I'm personally just over Golson...but thx for the write up as always LA...

Same. I kind of feel like we know what we have with Golson at this point. It's a gamble to see if he'll clean up the turnovers this season if we stick with him as the full time starter. I'd rather see him split time with Malik so Malik gets more experience, but at the same time use Golson in passing situations if we must like we did against LSU.
 

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I think it is more about what style of run-first offense you are going with. If you want to look like Alabama or Wisconsin, then Golson is probably the better option, but if you want it too look more like Auburn, Oregon, etc. then Zaire is probably the better option. If you go somewhere in-between those two (where I believe that a ND run-first offense would probably fall) then the picture becomes more muddled.

Totally agree with you. The Bold is what I personally want and like. I think you're right with it being somewhere in the middle.
 

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astonishing that people actually believe Malik is better.

Why? He clearly has two superior traits to Golson: running ability and size. Neither of those manifest themselves in spring ball, but in a game can have an incredible impact (see: Cardale Jones) on the effectiveness of an offense.

Zaire is also subjectively perceived by some to have superior intangibles, which are quite important to QB play.
 

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Why? He clearly has two superior traits to Golson: running ability and size. Neither of those manifest themselves in spring ball, but in a game can have an incredible impact (see: Cardale Jones) on the effectiveness of an offense.

Zaire is also subjectively perceived by some to have superior intangibles, which are quite important to QB play.

To add EG can't see over his OL...eliminating the middle of the field.
 

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Wooly, honestly, the guy who wrote that about Golson and Zaire last year sounds like an absolute genius. :laugh:

Seriously though, the gap is wide, as far as practice goes. I texted a reporter friend of mine who was there (a guy who knows WAY more than me), just to make sure I wasn't crazy, and he said that the two weren't even close today. I mean, Golson looked even better than last year.

But as you said, it's just practice. Zaire brings that leadership, that ability to galvanize a team. So it's tough. But if he is as inconsistent as he was today, then that leadership will mean crap after another 3 and out. I'd go with Golson, because when he is right, he is a winner with a ton of game. But my closest friends are done with Golson, and I can see why after the last 5 games of the season. Zaire is an attractive option as well.


Not much as far as Brent...he beat the DB's in several one on ones, had a bad drop, got beat a couple of times, etc etc. I don't see him beating out the WR's in front of him, but he looks much improved.

Brown looked really good towards the end of the year. The LSU corners are very good, and they couldn't match up with him and Fuller a lot of times. The light bulb might have gone off. I wouldn't count him out yet...

Great update appreciate it very much.

It sounds like it has, but we'll have to wait and see if the LSU game really woke EG up. I'll be curious to see if he makes himself a little more vocal with his teammates and if he's been cured of fumbleitous.
 

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Wooly, honestly, the guy who wrote that about Golson and Zaire last year sounds like an absolute genius. :laugh:

Seriously though, the gap is wide, as far as practice goes. I texted a reporter friend of mine who was there (a guy who knows WAY more than me), just to make sure I wasn't crazy, and he said that the two weren't even close today. I mean, Golson looked even better than last year.

But as you said, it's just practice. Zaire brings that leadership, that ability to galvanize a team. So it's tough. But if he is as inconsistent as he was today, then that leadership will mean crap after another 3 and out. I'd go with Golson, because when he is right, he is a winner with a ton of game. But my closest friends are done with Golson, and I can see why after the last 5 games of the season. Zaire is an attractive option as well.

Was the gap just as wide during team practice as it was during drill work and 7 on 7? I would assume EG is ridiculous during 7 on 7 but MZ may close the gap during a live team practice b/c the pass rush neutralizes EG's arm/feet to an extent.

No doubt EG can sling it, I just hope he improves his mechanics and decision making when he has a tub of sh!t chasing after him.

And thanks for the updates.
 

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I think it is more about what style of run-first offense you are going with. If you want to look like Alabama or Wisconsin, then Golson is probably the better option, but if you want it too look more like Auburn, Oregon, etc. then Zaire is probably the better option. If you go somewhere in-between those two (where I believe that a ND run-first offense would probably fall) then the picture becomes more muddled.

Agreed. I don't know what Kelly wants to do but he has the size on the OL and the RBs to be a run-first offense should he so choose. How he wants to accomplish that is another manner.

To add EG can't see over his OL...eliminating the middle of the field.

Isn't Zaire similar in height? I don't know that height is the deciding factor in this argument.
 

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Thanks for the write up Hollywood. I'm still Team Golson, But either way, I'm glad that it appears that its not even close as far as a competition goes. Granted, only a short viewing window of one practice. But still a positive in my opinion.

I think a run first offense with Golson at the helm is better is better than a run first offense with Malik at the helm. Malik just makes me nervous throwing the ball. Although Golson throws INT's I think giving him relief with a solid running game will do him wonders.

Until the first fumble?
 
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