Stadium Expansion

[Circa]

well anywho... still praying I'll get to work at the dream stadium... and If I do... Pics DAILY! with my nd hardhat on!

 

[stlnd01]

Must admit I'm not entirely clear what the point of this is.
If it's updating/expanding the press box and adding some luxury boxes on the opposite side, that's fine. They could certainly stand to "improve the attractiveness of the exterior stadium wall." The thing's a mausoleum most of the year. And no harm in that fountain by the business school.

But I don't really get what they're going for with the "hub for student life" business. It mostly looks like they're planning on adding random chunks of building to the existing corners of the stadium, none of which are going to be big enough to really do much with.

Also, yes, the campus' center of gravity has gradually moved east over the years, but campus life is still centered around dorms, and there still aren't many dorms that are all that close to the stadium (especially since - unless it's just the angle of the rendering - most of the new stuff will be on the east/southeast side of the stadium). Hard to see South Quad kids making their way all the way over there at night, for instance.

Whatever they're going to put in these stadium appendages is probably better put there than in some new building out past the JACC somewhere. The walkable scale of campus is important. But let's not oversell this, yes?

 

[koonja]

Notre Dame Football: Touchdown Jesus unaffected in stadium expansion proposal - southbendtribune.com

Article with a good amount of Schwarbrick quotes. Kind of bummed the seating will only go up to 84,000.

 

[ThePiombino]

goodness.... Well on that note your right I am a troll....hahahaahhahahhahaahhhahhhahhaa... oooppps was that too much? You can say whatever ya want! I feel the need to defend myself only bc I am not 1 that will sit online for hours on end acting like I'm more literate in the whereabouts the knowing or the happennings of all things ND! The fact that I even have to begin to pledge my allegience to the only...ONLY team I love other than the Penguins... Shows me just why I have refrained from this site at times... The arrogance of some of us Irish fans makes me puke in my shorts! Real ND fans get defensive ( just like Real People) get defensive.....Beleeeee dat bro

I was on your side until this.

 

[chubler]

Hard to see South Quad kids making their way all the way over there at night, for instance.

I live in Alumni so I guess I never considered that issue. But yeah, there's no reason for anyone to go out there unless they get rid of LaFun... interesting. what would they do with the building?

 

[irishroo]

Well this is ironic- I'm sitting about 100 feet from the north gate of the stadium doing chemistry homework under the watchful eye of Knute right now...

Looks great. Reminds me of what the Packers did to Lambeau.
However:

No logo please. It's not just striped end zones, its the simplicity of the total package. There's nothing not necessary to play football on that field, and I love it. So HARRUMPH!

Second, I actually love the lack of video boards. Literally every other school has them. It's different and unique, and it forces you to watch the actual game on the field.

IMO, ND Stadium is so cool specifically because it's "outdated". Inside those gates, time stands still. You can almost feel the echoes awake and the ghosts of the great teams, players, and games of the past. It's the closest thing to 'field of dreams' that exists on this planet, and I think it's special. Until we can't sell out or get recruits without a logo and video boards, why add them?

Lastly, in a perfect world, I'd LOVE to get rid of some seats on the north end and give the big man a better view. No better way to make a powerful statement about the priorities of this school and this program than ingraining it into the architecture of the stadium.

And finally, before anyone calls me old and foggy, I'm 19, a freshman, and I live with a member of the team... so young and foggy or old at heart are your choices!

This. All of it

 

[drayer54]

I don't want to see upgrades that are going to make the stadium look half done next to the big stadiums out there. Either no video board or something that's absolutely awesome. Anytime the traditional look is tampered with, it needs to be well worth it.

 

[Circa]

I was on your side until this.

Ha! Well there not doing all that well rite now, If that makes ya feel any better...

 

[texbender]

Having grown up in the Bend and having attended games since 1964, this concept is intriguing. Confident ND will do it the right way.

 

[Circa]

I will say this... Last time they renovated the basilica the company I currently am employed by, completed the deep foundation work on It and am happy to say It was a success! Crossing every limb, finger, toe... That we score this job!

Some here likely will know more than me... We just landed a job in northern Indiana and I've yet to find out the location... but It's in the future and I'm already getting way too excited!! If anyone knows any details... PLEASE!!

 

[eNDzone]

Notre Dame Stadium Construction - Her Loyal Sons If you haven't seen the stadium in a while here are some pics.

 

[FightingIrishLover7]

The stadium is going to look so sexy when it's all said and done.

 

[kmoose]

The stadium is going to look so sexy when it's all said and done.

It already was sexy:

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But I will agree that it will be even sexier.

 

[Cackalacky]

Notre Dame Stadium Construction - Her Loyal Sons If you haven't seen the stadium in a while here are some pics.

AS an engineer that is like porn to me. Haha.

 

[Buster Bluth]

 

[IrishLion]

Saw several tweets today generalizing some ideas on "progress" in terms of the stadium upgrades, but nothing specific... but then I saw a tweet about how the video board is going to be enormous. Did I miss some news or something?

 

[phork]

Saw several tweets today generalizing some ideas on "progress" in terms of the stadium upgrades, but nothing specific... but then I saw a tweet about how the video board is going to be enormous. Did I miss some news or something?

I am just pumped about the field turf.

 

[dales5050]

For the umpteenth time – when you have a combined student body and faculty(including 100% of ND undergrad and grad students, SMC and HCC) that could at best fill 13% of the seats, how do you guarantee a paying, standing-at-all-times, screaming-their -vocal-chords-raw crowd to fill the rest of the seats?

I think a couple of things are going to change the dynamics of the stadium that relates to how loud it is.

The first is moving the 'blue hairs' up to the towers and luxury seating. I hope once these seats open the ushers will have a different take on the stand up/sit down issue.

The second, and more important, is how ND prices tickets. I just read that while ND is just raising the cheapest ticket from $70 to $75, they are increasing the 'top' games from $80 to $150. I love this and hope they either add in a third tier or create a larger gap.

The reason is I feel if you are at your 20th or 40th game you are less likely to be 'amped' than if you're going to your 1st or 5th game. By creating these tiers your going to see many people passing on getting tickets to every game. This allows a greater fluctuation of fans and that will change the energy in the stadium for the better.

I think the size of the stadium should remain where it's at and hope that ND continues with quality over quantity.

 

[Ndaccountant]

I think a couple of things are going to change the dynamics of the stadium that relates to how loud it is.

The first is moving the 'blue hairs' up to the towers and luxury seating. I hope once these seats open the ushers will have a different take on the stand up/sit down issue.

The second, and more important, is how ND prices tickets. I just read that while ND is just raising the cheapest ticket from $70 to $75, they are increasing the 'top' games from $80 to $150. I love this and hope they either add in a third tier or create a larger gap.

The reason is I feel if you are at your 20th or 40th game you are less likely to be 'amped' than if you're going to your 1st or 5th game. By creating these tiers your going to see many people passing on getting tickets to every game. This allows a greater fluctuation of fans and that will change the energy in the stadium for the better.

I think the size of the stadium should remain where it's at and hope that ND continues with quality over quantity.

There are actually 4 tiers to tickets.

This is a very recent article on the ticket prices.

Ticket prices coax tough decisions for Notre Dame football fans - Notre Dame Insider: Notre Dame Football

Here is one on season tickets.

Notre Dame football season tickets attainable, but costly - Notre Dame Insider: Notre Dame Football

I personally think ND needs to tread carefully. There are pro's and con's of creating the "churn" you mention. But we cannot forget that attendance is generally down across CFB and aggresively raising the prices for the best games like they have could alienate both the younder subset of alumni as well as those who simply cannot afford to spend hundreds of dollars to attend a game and then spend hundreds if not thousands getting to and staying in South Bend. So if you entice those individuals to stay home, who is to say they will want to come back once they get a bigger pay check?

Personally, I would much rather have ND start pricing based on seat location (like they do for season ticket contributions) if they want to raise revenue. It has always irked me that the face value for the tickets in the top row, corner endzone is the same as those tickets on the 40 yard line 10 rows up.

 

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[Rack Em]

There are actually 4 tiers to tickets.

This is a very recent article on the ticket prices.

Ticket prices coax tough decisions for Notre Dame football fans - Notre Dame Insider: Notre Dame Football

Here is one on season tickets.

Notre Dame football season tickets attainable, but costly - Notre Dame Insider: Notre Dame Football

I personally think ND needs to tread carefully. There are pro's and con's of creating the "churn" you mention. But we cannot forget that attendance is generally down across CFB and aggresively raising the prices for the best games like they have could alienate both the younder subset of alumni as well as those who simply cannot afford to spend hundreds of dollars to attend a game and then spend hundreds if not thousands getting to and staying in South Bend. So if you entice those individuals to stay home, who is to say they will want to come back once they get a bigger pay check?

Personally, I would much rather have ND start pricing based on seat location (like they do for season ticket contributions) if they want to raise revenue. It has always irked me that the face value for the tickets in the top row, corner endzone is the same as those tickets on the 40 yard line 10 rows up.

So much of this.

My favorite childhood memories are going to ND games with my dad and grandfather. Now ND is pricing me and my future children out of those experiences. It's sad and frankly I expect more of ND than simple supply and demand models.

Use the dynamic pricing model. IDGAF.

Just give me a chance to bring my kids to a game and not force it to be our only family vacation in a year.

 

[woolybug25]

So much of this.

My favorite childhood memories are going to ND games with my dad and grandfather. Now ND is pricing me and my future children out of those experiences. It's sad and frankly I expect more of ND than simple supply and demand models.

Use the dynamic pricing model. IDGAF.

Just give me a chance to bring my kids to a game and not force it to be our only family vacation in a year.

Isn't that what they are doing though? Raising prices of the premier games (i.e. Top of demand curve) in order to keep prices of the others flat?

I mean, you can still take your kid to games for the same price as last year, you just can't go see them play MSU under the lights for the same price.

Did people really think that price increases weren't going to happen after the stadium renovations? For a team that has sold out every seat for decades? C'mon man...

 

[NorthDakota]

Isn't that what they are doing though? Raising prices of the premier games (i.e. Top of demand curve) in order to keep prices of the others flat?

I mean, you can still take your kid to games for the same price as last year, you just can't go see them play MSU under the lights for the same price.

Did people really think that price increases weren't going to happen after the stadium renovations? For a team that has sold out every seat for decades? C'mon man...

I believe he was saying to just be careful. One would think Notre Dame has a pretty gray fanbase.

 

[wizards8507]

Isn't that what they are doing though? Raising prices of the premier games (i.e. Top of demand curve) in order to keep prices of the others flat?

I mean, you can still take your kid to games for the same price as last year, you just can't go see them play MSU under the lights for the same price.

Did people really think that price increases weren't going to happen after the stadium renovations? For a team that has sold out every seat for decades? C'mon man...

My biggest (only?) complaint about tickets is more about the fans than about anything ND was doing. I was absolutely furious last year when I turned on the Texas game and saw all that orange in the stands for a game that I couldn't get tickets to in the lottery as a named society member. Alumni flipping tickets for a profit should be ashamed of themselves.

 

[Rack Em]

Isn't that what they are doing though? Raising prices of the premier games (i.e. Top of demand curve) in order to keep prices of the others flat?

I mean, you can still take your kid to games for the same price as last year, you just can't go see them play MSU under the lights for the same price.

Did people really think that price increases weren't going to happen after the stadium renovations? For a team that has sold out every seat for decades? C'mon man...

Yeah but by the time I will be able to take kid(s) (btw, it's a full price ticket for any child out of utero) tickets won't be $75 for ND vs. Buttfuck State. I imagine they'll be $90 or $100 6-8 years from now. Sorry but once I spend $350 on, say, 4 tickets and a hotel for 2 nights, I'm out of $700 provided we don't eat anything for the weekend.

So I could make the choice between 7 MLB games or 1 ND vs <insert non Power 5 opponent here> football game. I despise that the choice will come to that. I'm not expecting them to subsidize my ND vs. USC tickets. But I am embarrassed that my school is quickly trying to keep up with the Joneses and use supply side economics to justify it.

Cool, keep pricing tickets so that only age 50+ alums can watch the games. They'll be sure to stay quiet while Tom Kite is putting on the 4th green. And they'll give Nick Faldo an appropriately loud clap for that beautiful tee shot on 10. Meanwhile Rack and kids will cheer from home. Hopefully the house next door won't send an usher to tell us to keep it down.

 

[Rack Em]

I believe he was saying to just be careful. One would think Notre Dame has a pretty gray fanbase.

Basically. It's a slippery slope to derail the fan experience by alienating the fans.

 

[Ndaccountant]

Isn't that what they are doing though? Raising prices of the premier games (i.e. Top of demand curve) in order to keep prices of the others flat?

I mean, you can still take your kid to games for the same price as last year, you just can't go see them play MSU under the lights for the same price.

Did people really think that price increases weren't going to happen after the stadium renovations? For a team that has sold out every seat for decades? C'mon man...

I don't think they are doing it so they can keep the other games flat. I think they are trying to squeeze every dollar they can, which is fine. I just think they need to look at this both in the short run and the long run. There is an argument to be made that they could be hurting themselves in the long run. How many people are going to want to load up the car/minivan and haul a family of four to south bend to watch Duke and spend $500-$1,000 doing it?

 

[ACamp1900]

I feel Rack Em's pain though... I've shared enough here to where most regs will remember I'm a life long die hard Angels fan (somewhat on par with my love of ND) and I grew up in fairly poor family.

Even in those circumstances we managed to go to numerous Angel games a year... they were cheap. Now, even with two masters degrees and a couple of well paying jobs to match, my wife and I can afford a game or two a year and that's it... The Angels have priced a lot of people out of the stadium and it goes beyond ticket prices, the concessions have like tripled over the last 20 years for a quarter of the food you used to get... and so on.

 

[connor_in]

I feel Rack Em's pain though... I've shared enough here to where most regs will remember I'm a life long die hard Angels fan (somewhat on par with my love of ND) and I grew up in fairly poor family.

Even in those circumstances we managed to go to numerous Angel games a year... they were cheap. Now, even with two masters degrees and a couple of well paying jobs to match, my wife and I can afford a game or two a year and that's it... The Angels have priced a lot of people out of the stadium and it goes beyond ticket prices, the concessions have like tripled over the last 20 years for a quarter of the food you used to get... and so on.

We all love those Victoria's Secret model buddy

 

[ACamp1900]

ON that note: boy do I miss the old nachos Angel Stadium used to have when Gene Autry still owned the team... for a couple bucks they'd give you a huge plate of chips... you'd then go around the concession stands and just load up and all the cheese, jalapenos, onions, and whatever else you want at your own desire. Now Nachos cost 7 bucks and it's a little plastic bag of stale ass chips you poor into a tiny bowl and it comes with a cup of cheese that is never enough, if you want another cup or jalapeno, it's an extra charge and they give you a little bag with like five jalapenos for another buck fifty...

sigh, I'm getting old.