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As a native Southerner and SEC guy, I agree that the us against them thing is part of it, or at least a big part of what started it, though not all that much of a factor any longer. As for why we all pull for each other, there's a valid reason. If you're the champ of a weak conference, so what? It's not much to brag about. We'd rather be able to say, "Yeah, we won a conference that includes 7 powerhouses or top 20 teams." That's an accomplishment. We may absolutely hate one or more of those other teams' guts, but their success makes ours even more of an accomplishment. Why UK and Vandy and MSU yell "SEC, SEC!" is hard to explain though.

Just an FYI: Most Bama fans don't hate Auburn. We laugh a bit at them, but that's all. We absolutely hate their fans though. Take the worst traits of Michigan and tOSU fans, then remove those teams' success, add in a limitless supply of envy and insecurity, and you have a barner... and I'm not exaggerating.
 
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You guys can laugh at me, but I think the SEC unity thing is an indirect effect of history, from the Civil War through Reconstruction through the hard economic times that followed, through the civil rights movement, through today.

I don't mean this in a negative way, or a collective guilt way. Just that those experiences give Southerners, generally speaking, a sense of history and region that is much different than Northerners or Westerners have. That sense of region and being the guys getting looked down on brings a sense of unity and us vs. them that makes their fans see other teams in their conference as "us" even though, eg, Bama hates Auburn more than hell itself. It's still "us." They're more likely to be raised with a notion of the South as a region and a idea and family and their past. Hell, my people were in the mountains of Italy a hundred years ago, so my sense of the North is relatively recent.

I won't go on and bore you, but that's my back of the envelope assessment as a Northerner born and raised, but one who has read a little history and one who has traveled by car, side roads style, through the South more than a lot of Southerners have.

That history does play a part of it all. The conference is represented primarily of large state schools so there is pride there as well. Throw in the fact that most states do not have pro football leagues so you end up with a lot of history, pride, and some crazy, generational after generational fans. Hard to believe that fans of oppossing SEC schools will cheer each other on when playing out of conference but that's just how it is. If you rep the conference, you dang sure better do your job. If not, you gotta answer to everyone - including the Vandy and UK fans. Does not make a lot of sense when you take it at face value, but that's just how it is.

Team first, conference second, and everything else third.

As far as other conference hate, it seems the B1G gets the most from SEC fans. I would guess the main reason is the fact that for decades the B1G was the conference of conferences and dominated everything football. Throw in the not-so-distant factor of P. Manning losing out on the Heisman to Woodson and the conspiracy theories abound. Then watching the B1G die a slow death, it seems easy for the SEC fan to cheer against them till their demise - which has been upon us for a while now. The ACC - most do not view them as a factor other than FSU. Clemson gets a little hate simply because they think they are good and Dabo forgot where he came from. The Pac 12 probably has the most respect from SEC fans even though Oregon doesn't garner too much due to not playing "big boy" football. The Big 12 gets some respect but outside of OU and UT the conference is viewed as very weak.

The Notre Dame hate. Has to do more with the elitist mentality - rightly or wrongly - and really nothing about the religous differences of Catholics vs Baptists, etc. I know many a Baptist that will drink toe to toe with the best Catholics. The South maybe moreso than any other region in the country stick up for their own - from the finest subdivisions in the city to the poor, rural folk. Mess with one... mess with all mentality. Retribution is alive and well - even if the late Patrick Swayze did a poor acting job in "Next of Kin."

As the South continues to gain in population, and the new "northern invasion" continues, we are starting to see more and more fans from other schools in the country live amongst us. Even one of my best friends and fellow engineers is a Purdue grad and a Notre Dame fan. At some point the SEC will probably take the same route the B1G did. But until then, guess we gotta ride the wave for all it's worth - even my UK football family and friends.
 
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I personally appreciate what the SEC has been doing for us, keeping the king's chair warm until we get back to it. It's been a long journey, and their have been some perilous twists and turns but we are almost ready for the crown.

A king has his reign and then he dies. :)
 

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Has anyone seen a site or article that has conference win-loss records versus the "power five"?
 

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As a native Southerner and SEC guy, I agree that the us against them thing is part of it, or at least a big part of what started it, though not all that much of a factor any longer. As for why we all pull for each other, there's a valid reason. If you're the champ of a weak conference, so what? It's not much to brag about. We'd rather be able to say, "Yeah, we won a conference that includes 7 powerhouses or top 20 teams." That's an accomplishment. We may absolutely hate one or more of those other teams' guts, but their success makes ours even more of an accomplishment. Why UK and Vandy and MSU yell "SEC, SEC!" is hard to explain though.

Just an FYI: Most Bama fans don't hate Auburn. We laugh a bit at them, but that's all. We absolutely hate their fans though. Take the worst traits of Michigan and tOSU fans, then remove those teams' success, add in a limitless supply of envy and insecurity, and you have a barner... and I'm not exaggerating.


Every team's rival fans are the worst fans.
 

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Has anyone seen a site or article that has conference win-loss records versus the "power five"?

Conferences playing against each other (Power 5) since 2004:

ACC - 117 games ( don't know their record)
SEC - 111 games (69-42)
Pac 12 - 95 games (53-42)
Big 12 - 84 games (42-42)
B1G - 81 games (36-45)
 

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Conferences playing against each other (Power 5) since 2004:

ACC - 117 games ( don't know their record)
SEC - 111 games (69-42)
Pac 12 - 95 games (53-42)
Big 12 - 84 games (42-42)
B1G - 81 games (36-45)

Mathematically, that would make the ACC 44-73.

I'm more worried about this year only, something I/we could update here once a week. But I haven't seen that published.
 

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Mathematically, that would make the ACC 44-73.

I'm more worried about this year only, something I/we could update here once a week. But I haven't seen that published.

I haven't seen a story on this year. If I do, I will post it out.
 

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Where is ND being included as a power 5? That will skew the mathematics wizards.

ETA
Found this on tigerdroppings from 9/13
SEC: 4-1 (.800)

PAC-12: 5-2 (.714)

ACC: 4-2 (.667)

BIG 12: 3-6 (.333)

BIG TEN: 1-10 (.091)
 
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Where is ND being included as a power 5? That will skew the mathematics wizards.
I wasn't looking for precision, just a rough approximation of the notion of SEC superiority. The numbers clearly back that up over the past decade, but it remains to be seen what's true for 2014 specifically.
 

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So....we're you rooting for Auburn in their NCs against Oregon and FSU?

Yep. Kinda like Bishop said, most Bama fans don't hate Auburn. We just hate their fans.

As much as it pains me, was glad to see the Tigers beat Oregon. And as much as it pains me, the Tigers dropped the ball against FSU. We will never stop giving the Aubie fans grief for ending the streak. Unforgivable.
 

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Power 5 win-loss records against each other 2014

Power 5 win-loss records against each other 2014

Has anyone seen a site or article that has conference win-loss records versus the "power five"?

SEC 5-2 (Wins over Wisconsin, W.Va, Tex Tech, Kansas St, Clemson; Losses to Indiana, Oklahoma) No games against ND or Pac 12 teams

Pac 12 6-2 (Wins over Michigan St, Mich, NW, Illinois, Texas, Virginia; Losses to Rutgers, Boston College) No games against SEC. ND games to come.

Notre Dame 3-0 (Wins over Michigan, Syracuse, Purdue)

Big 12 4-6 (Wins over Tenn, Iowa, Maryland, Minn; Losses to Ala, Auburn, Arkansas, UCLA, Florida State, Duke) No games against ND.

Big 10 5-11 (Wins over Missouri, Washington St, Pittsburgh, Syracuse, Miami; Losses to LSU, Cal, Oregon, Washington, Utah, Iowa St, West Virginia, TCU, Notre Dame x 2, Virginia Tech)

Source: Colley's Bias Free College Football Rankings

With the Pac 12's strength, you want to see SEC teams come out of their comfort zones and prove themselves. Kansas State should have beaten Auburn. Oklahoma dominated Tennessee (34-10), who almost beat Georgia last week.

SEC teams who have not played - and will not play - any power 5 teams this year (4 teams):
Texas A&M, Ole Miss, Mississippi State, Vanderbilt.

SEC teams, who play one Power 5 team a year, a regional/traditional rival (3 teams):
Florida (Florida State), South Carolina (Clemson), Kentucky (Louisville)

These seven SEC teams - Texas A&M, Ole Miss, Mississippi St, Florida, South Carolina, Kentucky and Vanderbilt - are chronic offenders. That's half the conference that either never plays a Power 5 or only one traditional rival.

Will these SEC trends for playing Power 5 conferences continue? The short answer is yes.

The exceptions are: Georgia, who adds Notre Dame to their Georgia Tech game in 2017, and Texas A&M, who adds one Power 5 conference game year with some strong Pac 12 opponents - Arizona State (2015), UCLA (2016, 2017) and Oregon (2018, 2019).

Florida (Fla St), Kentucky (Louisville), South Carolina (Clemson) will continue playing only their Power Conference rivals.

Vanderbilt, Ole Miss do not have any Power 5 conference teams on their future schedules.

As for the other SEC teams who may play only one P5 team per year:
Missouri - next P5 team scheduled - Purdue in 2017
Mississippi State - will not play a P5 team until 2018 (Kansas State)
Auburn - take a year off in 2015 from playing any Power 5 team, resuming in 2016 (Clemson)
Arkansas - also takes 2015 off, resuming with TCU in 2016

Alabama, LSU, and Tennessee have one P5 team scheduled annually for the near future.

Source: SEC Football Schedule | 2014 | Future Schedules

With that type of scheduling, you can hide amongst the brand name without having to prove yourself. The Pac 12 is stronger this year and plays a stronger non-conference schedule against Power 5 teams. The SEC teams, who schedule Pac 12 teams, break the mold, as only Alabama (USC) and Texas A&M (see above) have done.

The attitude seems to be that they do not have to change and it could only hurt their image as "the best conference". Prove It!
 
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Living in Kentucky, I think a lot of it is also "my team sucks, so I'm gonna act like I can celebrate 'SEC Championships' even though I'm supposed to hate these other schools. But go SEC!"

UK fans have nothing to cheer about in football since Randall Cobb left, so their only option is to ride the coattails of the strong members of the conference, and to act like a strong program by association. They actually brag about SEC football as their football-convo contributions, because they've got nothing else and they've brainwashed themselves into believing they have a right to claim the conference's success.
I here you, but they seem to get it right when it comes to hoops !
 

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Yep. Kinda like Bishop said, most Bama fans don't hate Auburn. We just hate their fans.

As much as it pains me, was glad to see the Tigers beat Oregon. And as much as it pains me, the Tigers dropped the ball against FSU. We will never stop giving the Aubie fans grief for ending the streak. Unforgivable.
No Alabama drop the ball by giving up a 106 yard kickoff return in the 2013 SEC Championship game.
 

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@APMarkLong: What I'm hearing about the Gators, if true, doesn't sound good at all
 

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>RT <a href="https://twitter.com/DaveJonesUFbeat">@DaveJonesUFbeat</a>: Gainesville source has confirmed that <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Gators?src=hash">#Gators</a> quarterback Treon Harris is being investigated in a legal matter.</p>— Josh Kendall (@JoshatTheState) <a href="https://twitter.com/JoshatTheState/status/519156225888362497">October 6, 2014</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Alabama & Nick Saban are 4-3 in their last 7 games (0-3 vs ranked opponents). <a href="http://t.co/HGNfSO98lK">pic.twitter.com/HGNfSO98lK</a></p>— College GameDay (@CollegeGameDay) <a href="https://twitter.com/CollegeGameDay/status/519145096323674115">October 6, 2014</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Alabama & Nick Saban are 4-3 in their last 7 games (0-3 vs ranked opponents). <a href="http://t.co/HGNfSO98lK">pic.twitter.com/HGNfSO98lK</a></p>— College GameDay (@CollegeGameDay) <a href="https://twitter.com/CollegeGameDay/status/519145096323674115">October 6, 2014</a></blockquote>
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Gotta tip my hat to Ole Miss. They made the plays when it mattered and came away with the win. As far as my Tide... can't give the ball away and expect to win the big ones.
 

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SEC and cupcakes

SEC and cupcakes

Up to last weekend, the six (5 undefeated) SEC teams who matched up against each other had played these non-conference games:

Alabama - West Virginia, Florida Atlantic, Southern Miss
Ole Miss - Boise State, UL Lafayette, Memphis
Miss St - Southern Miss, UAB, at South Alabama
Texas A&M - Lamar, Rice, at SMU
Auburn - San Jose State, at K-State, Louisiana Tech
LSU - Wisconsin, Sam Houston St., ULM, New Mexico State

These six teams have played three Power 5 teams between them. Only one (Kansas State) has a winning record against FBS competition.

Of the non-conference games these six teams have left on their schedules:
Alabama - W.Carolina
Auburn - Samford
LSU - none
Mississippi St - UT Martin
Ole Miss - Presbyterian
Texas A&M - U.La Martin

Kansas State gave Auburn all it could handle and lost due to turnovers. Wisconsin nearly beat LSU without a passing offense.
 

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Up to last weekend, the six (5 undefeated) SEC teams who matched up against each other had played these non-conference games:

Alabama - West Virginia, Florida Atlantic, Southern Miss
Ole Miss - Boise State, UL Lafayette, Memphis
Miss St - Southern Miss, UAB, at South Alabama
Texas A&M - Lamar, Rice, at SMU
Auburn - San Jose State, at K-State, Louisiana Tech
LSU - Wisconsin, Sam Houston St., ULM, New Mexico State

These six teams have played three Power 5 teams between them. Only one (Kansas State) has a winning record against FBS competition.

Of the non-conference games these six teams have left on their schedules:
Alabama - W.Carolina
Auburn - Samford
LSU - none
Mississippi St - UT Martin
Ole Miss - Presbyterian
Texas A&M - U.La Martin

Kansas State gave Auburn all it could handle and lost due to turnovers. Wisconsin nearly beat LSU without a passing offense.

Which is why K State should be ranked in the top 10.
 

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Predictions on SEC results continue to be worthless.

Alabama winning by one point (Spread 9 pts) over bottom feeder Arkansas benefiting from an Ark RB fumble inches before he crossed the goal line. When was the last time Alabama's Time of Possession was less than 26 minutes?

Auburn losing by fifteen points (favored by three)

A&M has no defense, losing by fifteen (favored by two)

SEC East leader, Missouri, blown away by thirty four points by Georgia.

How far will Auburn, A&M and Missouri drop?
 
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