SEC Open Thread

[Cackalacky2.0]

This is really sad to hear. 100% totally expected though, given the current state of apathy towards COVID.

Hot Prediction: Big 10 wont finish their season.

 

[dublinirish]

SEC has 3 games left this weekend lol

 

[NDohio]

So who's the next SEC team to give Hugh Freeze a shot?

Was listening to one of the college football podcast earlier today - can't remember which one - but this subject came up. The speculation on this podcast is that he is still under some secret SEC probation and his next job will be in some other conference.

On the other hand, the South Carolina folks would like to see Muschamp go bye-bye and Freeze be his replacement.

 

[Irish#1]

So who's the next SEC team to give Hugh Freeze a shot?

Was listening to one of the college football podcast earlier today - can't remember which one - but this subject came up. The speculation on this podcast is that he is still under some secret SEC probation and his next job will be in some other conference.

On the other hand, the South Carolina folks would like to see Muschamp go bye-bye and Freeze be his replacement.

Listening to Doug Gottleib yesterday, don't be surprised if he stays put for another year or two. Evidently Liberty has put a lot of money into the FB program to make it work at the D1 level.

 

[dublinirish]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">EXCLUSIVE: <br><br>Eight Tennessee football staff members rejected pay cuts that were proposed in October by the athletic department.<br><br>Those football staffers are the only athletic department employees who were asked to accept a pay cut and declined.<a href="https://t.co/2ZDj7g4d0d">https://t.co/2ZDj7g4d0d</a></p>— Blake Toppmeyer (@btoppmeyer) <a href="https://twitter.com/btoppmeyer/status/1327270738328477698?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 13, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[FightingIrishLover7]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">EXCLUSIVE: <br><br>Eight Tennessee football staff members rejected pay cuts that were proposed in October by the athletic department.<br><br>Those football staffers are the only athletic department employees who were asked to accept a pay cut and declined.<a href="https://t.co/2ZDj7g4d0d">https://t.co/2ZDj7g4d0d</a></p>— Blake Toppmeyer (@btoppmeyer) <a href="https://twitter.com/btoppmeyer/status/1327270738328477698?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 13, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

I live in Knoxville.
Can confirm, it's sad hear.
Lol

 

[Irish#1]

South Carolina just dumped Will Muschamp. His buyout is pretty salty, around $15M. Must have been really fed up to dump him with the loss of revenue this season.

 

[Bishop2b5]

South Carolina just dumped Will Muschamp. His buyout is pretty salty, around $15M. Must have been really fed up to dump him with the loss of revenue this season.

Yeah, given the buyout cost and their ceiling for improving over what Muschamp accomplished, it's a little surprising. I think he also rubbed some higher ups the wrong way with his personality. I guess Bama's about to get a new defensive analyst for the Nick Saban Home For Unwed Coaches and Career Rehabilitation Center.

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

South Carolina just dumped Will Muschamp. His buyout is pretty salty, around $15M. Must have been really fed up to dump him with the loss of revenue this season.

The Mighty Hen's fanbase suffers from trying to keep up with Clemson. They cant stand Clemson is so far above them. They have been upgrading facilities but not at the level Clemson has.

I believe Tanner (AD) has had Muschamps back but last week seemed too much to control anymore. FTR Tanner is athletic god to USC. The fans have been fed up since last year but that buyout was stupid and the school should have never extended his contract with that buyout.

 

[dublinirish]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">BREAKING: Saturday's Ole Miss at Texas A&M football game of November 21 has been postponed due to the continued quarantine of individuals within the Texas A&M football program.</p>— Bruce Feldman (@BruceFeldmanCFB) <a href="https://twitter.com/BruceFeldmanCFB/status/1328378839043477504?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 16, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[Irish#1]

The Mighty Hen's fanbase suffers from trying to keep up with Clemson. They cant stand Clemson is so far above them. They have been upgrading facilities but not at the level Clemson has.

I believe Tanner (AD) has had Muschamps back but last week seemed too much to control anymore. FTR Tanner is athletic god to USC. The fans have been fed up since last year but that buyout was stupid and the school should have never extended his contract with that buyout.

Maybe a big time booster ponied up a few nickels to make it feasible?

 

[NDohio]

The Mighty Hen's fanbase suffers from trying to keep up with Clemson. They cant stand Clemson is so far above them. They have been upgrading facilities but not at the level Clemson has.

I believe Tanner (AD) has had Muschamps back but last week seemed too much to control anymore. FTR Tanner is athletic god to USC. The fans have been fed up since last year but that buyout was stupid and the school should have never extended his contract with that buyout.

Maybe a big time booster ponied up a few nickels to make it feasible?

I play golf with someone that is super close with Coach Tanner(played for him). He and I played last week and he said that they did a study on how much revenue they are losing (beyond COVID) by keeping Muschamp. The boosters were fed up at the end of last season but this year has just been too much. The loss of revenue was going to be more than that buyout number.

As an aside, Muschamp has now received $23 million between getting fired at FL and USC...

 

[Wild Bill]

The Mighty Hen's fanbase suffers from trying to keep up with Clemson. They cant stand Clemson is so far above them. They have been upgrading facilities but not at the level Clemson has.

I believe Tanner (AD) has had Muschamps back but last week seemed too much to control anymore. FTR Tanner is athletic god to USC. The fans have been fed up since last year but that buyout was stupid and the school should have never extended his contract with that buyout.

Imagine what ND fans would do if IU or Purdue went on a Clemson like run. Okay stop laughing and think about it. Several of us would consider jogging into oncoming traffic on I65.

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

Maybe a big time booster ponied up a few nickels to make it feasible?

Unfortunately we may never know who is covering this but I cant help but think its us the state taxpayer. It would be nice if the contract stipulated the boosters had to cover these types of things but either the school directly or the taxpayer indirectly tend to have to pay.

 

[Bishop2b5]

Unfortunately we may never know who is covering this but I cant help but think its us the state taxpayer. It would be nice if the contract stipulated the boosters had to cover these types of things but either the school directly or the taxpayer indirectly tend to have to pay.

Maybe/probably not. At least not at the Power 5 level. Most coaches salaries, buyouts, new athletic facilities, and etc. are funded entirely by revenue generated by the athletic department via TV contracts, ticket sales, merchandising, and big money boosters. Hiring and firing a coach at this level usually doesn't involve any tax dollars.

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

Maybe/probably not. At least not at the Power 5 level. Most coaches salaries, buyouts, new athletic facilities, and etc. are funded entirely by revenue generated by the athletic department via TV contracts, ticket sales, merchandising, and big money boosters. Hiring and firing a coach at this level usually doesn't involve any tax dollars.

I honestly dont know and have a hard time finding out what is going on but this is an interesting article that discusses long term debt incurred by football programs and specifically addresses Alabama, Clemson, and ND.

That being said, all of these coaches are state employees and the taxpayers are indirectly or directly responsible for their pay. How much....? I cant determine.

Racking Up Debt

The University of Alabama and Clemson University supposedly profit from football, with Alabama making $46 million and Clemson making $7.8 million per year, based on the most recent available data, says Andrzejewski. But these schools have spent their profits on their football programs and incurred long-term debt on top of that.

"These programs have also racked up an amazing amount of long-term debt and have spent their future football 'profits,'” Andrzejewski said.

“Alabama built their football program on $225 million in long-term debt, and students at Clemson pay $1,414 each to pay down their athletic debts,” says Andrzejewski.. “In other words, the coaches better keep winning."

Fighting Irish Pay Less

Private schools do not receive taxpayer funding for salaries, yet are able to compete in athletics despite paying their coaches less than public universities do, says Andrzejewski. For example, Brian Kelly earned $2.1 million as head coach of the University of Notre Dame’s Fighting Irish, Andrzejewski says.

“Notre Dame uses zero public funds and made the highest profit of any university on its football program: $63 million,” said Andrzejewski.

“But instead of racking up debt, Notre Dame has a $13.1 billion endowment and billions more in gross assets,” Andrzejewski said."]Fighting Irish Pay Less

Private schools do not receive taxpayer funding for salaries, yet are able to compete in athletics despite paying their coaches less than public universities do, says Andrzejewski. For example, Brian Kelly earned $2.1 million as head coach of the University of Notre Dame’s Fighting Irish, Andrzejewski says.

“Notre Dame uses zero public funds and made the highest profit of any university on its football program: $63 million,” said Andrzejewski.

“But instead of racking up debt, Notre Dame has a $13.1 billion endowment and billions more in gross assets,” Andrzejewski said.

I also have read where the USC BoT are really upset about having to cover this and are concerned they don't have enough money. The school made all employees take a pay cut instead of furloughs. Even then some were furloughed as well.

 

[dublinirish]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Mississippi State will be playing with less than 53 scholarship players available <a href="https://t.co/h51ZkL0Mam">https://t.co/h51ZkL0Mam</a></p>— Matt Zenitz (@mzenitz) <a href="https://twitter.com/mzenitz/status/1329833743364841472?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 20, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[philipm31]

Mississippi state leadership is just stupid, all the way down to the their college administrators.

 

[Huntr]

Sankey calls for a 6pm presser this evening. Likely related to the SEC TV deal, as today is the day Disney is all over announcing their new properties and plans for 2021.

 

[Huntr]

Indeed it is about buying their tv rights to the game of the week, currently held by CBS.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="und" dir="ltr"><a href="https://t.co/zHgGNQtTgR">pic.twitter.com/zHgGNQtTgR</a></p>— Andy Staples (@Andy_Staples) <a href="https://twitter.com/Andy_Staples/status/1337119460885471232?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 10, 2020</a></blockquote>

 

[notredomer23]

Indeed it is about buying their tv rights to the game of the week, currently held by CBS.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="und" dir="ltr"><a href="https://t.co/zHgGNQtTgR">pic.twitter.com/zHgGNQtTgR</a></p>— Andy Staples (@Andy_Staples) <a href="https://twitter.com/Andy_Staples/status/1337119460885471232?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 10, 2020</a></blockquote>

SEC not being on CBS just feels wrong.

 

[Huntr]

Sports Business Journal speculated the deal could be worth $300 million annually. With the SEC network money, that would be like $76 million annually to each school.

Not sure ND would stay independent if the ACC could get within 10-15 million of that.

 

[dublinirish]

SEC not being on CBS just feels wrong.

it will be, just not the pick of the best game each weekend.

 

[Ndaccountant]

Sports Business Journal speculated the deal could be worth $300 million annually. With the SEC network money, that would be like $76 million annually to each school.

Not sure ND would stay independent if the ACC could get within 10-15 million of that.

Hot take: This will lead to a "Saturday ticket". ESPN tried this years ago and it failed, mainly because they couldn't get rights to enough games for people to justify it. Now they do.

Hot Take 2: This will coincide with the demise of CFB as we know it (well, it's already be on that path for some time). $300 million annually is too big to have people stand around and not pay players equitably. Congrats to all of those 13 year olds out there that will be part of the 1st wave of paid players.

 

[Legacy]

SEC soon to issue an IPO

 

[dublinirish]

Hot take: This will lead to a "Saturday ticket". ESPN tried this years ago and it failed, mainly because they couldn't get rights to enough games for people to justify it. Now they do.

Hot Take 2: This will coincide with the demise of CFB as we know it (well, it's already be on that path for some time). $300 million annually is too big to have people stand around and not pay players equitably. Congrats to all of those 13 year olds out there that will be part of the 1st wave of paid players.

I would say the future is ESPN cable channels become sportscenter, first take crap and all that while live sport exists on ESPN+ only

 

[Ndaccountant]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=YWR7GlPe5k0

Sec shorts this week is great

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

SEC not being on CBS just feels wrong.

Unless they take the commentators with them. For me its like listening to Harry Caray and Steve Stone for the Cubs.

 

[Bishop2b5]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=YWR7GlPe5k0

Sec shorts this week is great

I love SEC Shorts. This was one of the best ones.

 

[IHateMarkMay]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=YWR7GlPe5k0

Sec shorts this week is great

Ha, I've never heard of these. "At least show a little backbone and rebound with Cincinnati!"