SEC Media Day

[STLDomer]

“@McMurphyESPN: Manziel wouldn't answer Tessitore question if he was drinking at camp but just said "there was no going out night before"”

Lolz

 

[mgriff]

Here's an article.

Steve Spurrier of South Carolina Gamecocks stumps for stipends, targets Notre Dame Fighting Irish - ESPN

 

[STLDomer]

Is it still not making excuses if you make an excuse and then tack on "I've made mistakes" at the end? That's what I hear Manziel doing so far

 

[dublinirish]

lol what is Manziel doing at a SEC media day, nothing good will come of it

 

[NDohio]

A problem that could arise with giving football players money to pay for normal is expenses is that athletes (both men and women) in the other sports would want the same thing.

I don't know the answer to this, but have always wondered if Title IX is one of the main stumbling blocks in paying football players. If you offer that for the 85 man football roster do you also need to offer it for 85 female athletes?

 

[domerfreak]

I totally agree. A lot of these kids come from families that are so poor that there is just no way they can help them financially at all. A small stipend to cover basic necessities or an occasional date seems reasonable. I like your idea of the parents being comped for reasonable travel expenses to a game if needed.

you cannot just pay football players families for travel expenses...what about womens basketball, volleyball, baseball ect... think this will only open a large can of worms.

 

[Irish Houstonian]

The $5k/player would increase ALL FBS football budgets by $425k ($5k x 85). I think all 125 FBS schools could handle that but not 100% sure. The parent's travel would be higher and create a divide between the haves and have nots, which I certainly don't want to see happen, and I think it's crossing the line.

If the "haves" (ie "BCS" schools) want to push the "have nots" out of division 1, which i think they do and will eventually happen, they could easily enact rules to do so. The only thing holding them back is the NCAA and Slive's comments today indicate they will play hardball with the NCAA in the very near future.

Personally, I'd like to see rules that allow for a level playing field and don't create a divide. I think the player's stipend does that. Not so sure about parent's travel. Today is the first time I've ever heard of that.

Exactly. If the SEC wants to give thousands to their own players, then they should have to fit the same bill for all the FCS schools they play. (And I'm not talking about the $ they already pay so that they can beat up on them in the first place).

 

[STLDomer]

“@McMurphyESPN: Johnny Manziel "a lot of rumors out there, a lot of talk, I missed a meeting, phone died, I overslept."”

“@ClayTravisBGID: Manziel said he roomed with AJ McCarron. Immediate media follow: "Why didn't he wake you up?" Manziel: "I don't know. It's my fault."”

Saboteur?

 

[NDdomer2]

all these athletes, high profile professionals, etc. seem to have not learned anything.

All of those who deny until the **** hits the fans end up bad guys.

Then you have guys like Andy Pettit who come clean instantly and everyone moves on within a week.

He is a kid, just tell them you went out and had to much fun. Everyone will go, "ok he is an idiot back to football."

 

[Rack Em]

I refuse to watch the circus that is SEC media days. Less than an hour away from Hoover but I can still smell the stinch of manliness oozing out.

But Ed O doesn't coach at Ole Miss or UT anymore?

 

[Rack Em]

I agree that it's impossible for these kids to make any money due to football being a year round obligation now. So there are only two viable options IMO.

1). Pay players "X" amount over their scholarship. This figure should be based upon what an average student would make having summer job. Somewhere between 5-8k would suffice, and this would be distributed some how by the NCAA, NOT the schools.
2). A football dead period from mid May-end of July. Football players are completely removed from any football relate obligations.. If they want to workout it's on their own accord but they have no communication what so ever with any football staff, not even Equipment Managers. This would allow them to get a job and (gasp) be kids. Holy hell what a novel idea. Unfortunately this would never even be an option due to the impact it would cause to the product on the field. (sigh)

Side note-sorry I think it's the sole responsibility of the parent to the finance the trip to see their child play, no one else's. I know I'm a heartless a$$ hole.

Great post.

The vast majority of students come out with a sh!t-ton of student debt. Football players leave college with ZERO debt so they don't need to be compensated any more, IMO. They get a free degree of their choice in an era where the federal government is driving up the cost of education by continuing to subsidize it. That is a HUGE blessing.

I don't know any that made even close to 5-8K over a summer, so if the NCAA (and not the schools...good point CS) I would knock it down to $800 at the most. That's more than enough considering the other compensation football players get (issue gear, training tables, FREE EDUCATION).

I'm also on board with a dead period. Unfortunately it'll never happen.

And finally, you're absolutely correct, the schools owes no obligation to a player's parents. If you want to see your child play every weekend, then that's a conversation you should have as a family. Perhaps it'll re-prioritize your college choices (or come to the conclusion that getting the best education despite distance is the most important).

 

[phork]

When all the other sports come calling to complain about their stipend or getting parents tickets paid for, just point them to the bottom line and tell them "When your ink is black, then come on back."

 

[zbikowski88]

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[STLDomer]

“@McMurphyESPN: Johnny Manziel: "I feel like I am a little higher pedestal, I'm still 20 years old, still going to do things people my age do"”

“@BFeldmanCBS: AJ McCarron: I can't go out & act a fool. I can't go out & drink excessively. I can't act like most 22 yr olds.”

Manziel/Sumlin vs McCarron/Saban

 

[T Town Tommy]

Great post.

And finally, you're absolutely correct, the schools owes no obligation to a player's parents. If you want to see your child play every weekend, then that's a conversation you should have as a family. Perhaps it'll re-prioritize your college choices (or come to the conclusion that getting the best education despite distance is the most important).

I do, however, think that compensation for parent's travel could be a great incentive for schools such as ND that rely on having to recruit on a more national scale. Some players do come from disadvantaged backgrounds financially and it would place a hardship on the parents to travel to attend games. I do agree those type of conversations should take place prior to a player committing, but I would hope travel distance would not be a factor in their ultimate decision simply based on ability to pay for it to see their kid play.

 

[NDWorld247]

I do, however, think that compensation for parent's travel could be a great incentive for schools such as ND that rely on having to recruit on a more national scale. Some players do come from disadvantaged backgrounds financially and it would place a hardship on the parents to travel to attend games. I do agree those type of conversations should take place prior to a player committing, but I would hope travel distance would not be a factor in their ultimate decision simply based on ability to pay for it to see their kid play.

You're absolutely right in that ND would stand to benefit as much as any school in the country if the Ol' Ball Coach gets his way. I read the transcript from his media day press conference, and watched some video, and it wouldn't surprise me if he had a few drinks in the coach's lounge before addressing the media. There's not a coach in the country that likes throwing back a few brews more than Spurrier.

But, to date, he's the only one talking about parent stipends. Player stipends are coming in the next 2 to 10 years, but it's very unlikely we'll ever see a parent stipend instituted.

And I thought parents in the SEC already received stipends...how much did you get when your son signed at Bama?

 

[T Town Tommy]

You're absolutely right in that ND would stand to benefit as much as any school in the country if the Ol' Ball Coach gets his way. I read the transcript from his media day press conference, and watched some video, and it wouldn't surprise me if he had a few drinks in the coach's lounge before addressing the media. There's not a coach in the country that likes throwing back a few brews more than Spurrier.

But, to date, he's the only one talking about parent stipends. Player stipends are coming in the next 2 to 10 years, but it's very unlikely we'll ever see a parent stipend instituted.

And I thought parents in the SEC already received stipends...how much did you get when your son signed at Bama?

I settled fairly early in the process. A standing room at the Super 8 on Mcfarland every home game and two free unlimited food and drink vouchers from Buffalo Wild Wings. The rest of my stipend went to "compensate" others. Maybe I should have held out a little bit longer... at least upgrade to the Courtyard by Marriot... but i digress. All is well. At least my son is getting a top notch SEC education. That's worth something... right?

 

[NDWorld247]

Maybe I should have held out a little bit longer... at least upgrade to the Courtyard by Marriot... but i digress.

You definitely should have pushed for the Courtyard. But I'm happy you're happy. Word on the street is many SEC parents were disappointed to learn their compensation may be getting cut to only $300/game.

At least my son is getting a top notch SEC education. That's worth something... right?

I've always believed players/parents should have this attitude and be satisfied with the full ride education instead of acting like the University owed them more than that. I'm starting to see the light on the player stipend issue and have changed my mind on it, but this reminds me of an experience I had with Matt Leinart's dad. I was in Miami for the 2004 NC game (USC vs Oklahoma) and ran into Bob Leinart at the USC hotel. We had spent some time together recently and started talking about life since Matt won the Heisman. Mr. Leinart became angry that USC had sold something like 40,000 Leinart jerseys since he won and Matt wasn't going to see a dime from it. He went on for a few minutes about how Matt should be compensated for all the money he was bringing to the university. I found his attitude towards this completely ridiculous considering all USC had done for his son, but responded with something like "yea, that's crazy" and changed the subject.

 

[adsnorri]

Notre Dame football: Hey, Coach ND brand helps game

I like the Brian Kelly answer...Take a number. Haha

 

[Bishop2b5]

You definitely should have pushed for the Courtyard. But I'm happy you're happy. Word on the street is many SEC parents were disappointed to learn their compensation may be getting cut to only $300/game.



I've always believed players/parents should have this attitude and be satisfied with the full ride education instead of acting like the University owed them more than that. I'm starting to see the light on the player stipend issue and have changed my mind on it, but this reminds me of an experience I had with Matt Leinart's dad. I was in Miami for the 2004 NC game (USC vs Oklahoma) and ran into Bob Leinart at the USC hotel. We had spent some time together recently and started talking about life since Matt won the Heisman. Mr. Leinart became angry that USC had sold something like 40,000 Leinart jerseys since he won and Matt wasn't going to see a dime from it. He went on for a few minutes about how Matt should be compensated for all the money he was bringing to the university. I found his attitude towards this completely ridiculous considering all USC had done for his son, but responded with something like "yea, that's crazy" and changed the subject.

I don't think players should get a cut of what the university makes from merchandise or tv contracts, nor get paid a serious amount of money. I do think a stipend of a few hundred bucks per month to cover the actual cost of attending college is very reasonable though. A scholarship covering books, room & board, and tuition is great, but doesn't cover all the necessities a kid will have in 4 years of college like toiletries, a pair of jeans, new underwear, basic household goods, etc. Most players' families can cover that, but not all. There are players at just about every school whose families are so poor that they can't help at all. A stipend of a few hundred bucks per month would make a world of difference to those kids.

 

[Kaneyoufeelit]

Notre Dame football: Hey, Coach ND brand helps game

I like the Brian Kelly answer...Take a number. Haha

I can't help but have a childish, and somewhat devious, grin when I read articles like this.

Some favorite quotes:

Nothing, nowhere, no how, comes close to Notre Dame when it comes to branding a product.

Notre Dame’s involvement in the ACC’s non-BCS second-tier bowl lineup has made its autonomy even that much sweeter.

There’s no flat-sum settlement amount that will replace the bells and whistles of a Notre Dame appearance.

 

[NDPhilly]

I can't help but have a childish, and somewhat devious, grin when I read articles like this.

Some favorite quotes:

Pretty much sums up the article:

 

[NDhoosier]

^ I didnt get that out of those quotes. They are talking about NDs brand, which is know around the world and its fanbase is just as daunting. Nothing in there implies that pic you just posted.

 

[Luckylucci]

TCU's Gary Patterson, who suspended star defensive end Devonte Fields for the LSU game, didn't mince words when responding to Miles' decision.

"My whole team would vote Devonte to be back on the team because they all want to win,” Patterson told the Fort Worth Star-Telegram. “That doesn't teach life lessons.”

Patterson added this dagger: "I'm sure if it was some opponent they'd beat by 100 points [the players] wouldn't have a vote."

This is the first SEC thread I came across. Love these quotes by Patterson.

 

[PANDFAN]

Georgia's Aaron Murray offers video evidence that Mark Richt has lost control of his program | Campus Union - SI.com

 

[Booslum31]

Georgia's Aaron Murray offers video evidence that Mark Richt has lost control of his program | Campus Union - SI.com

That looks fun...and a good recruiting tool.