Rumored Violations

[CarrollVermin]

So tomorrow we should get the standard, "we have no update" update during the presser? Anyone have thoughts otherwise?

 

[no.1IrishFan]

And put himself in hot water?

IMO, next to Jack, Kelly has the most secure job at ND. BK isn't keeping quiet to stay out of hot water, he's doing it because he understands it will only cause more problems.

 

[phgreek]

And put himself in hot water?

yea I doubt it..

somewhat related...

I was hangin with a bunch of guys from all over the US at a hunting camp.

The subject of the cowboys came up...and who their next HC would be. a subset of that discussion is always "college guys" ready to jump. The normal criteria was discussed...a brilliant football mind, a motivator, a program builder...but then the Jerry Jones factor came in...need to be pliable to the front office....

that criteria rocketed Brian Kelly to the top of the list...over Saban, Stoops et al.

What about the ND job would cause THAT speculation ???...

SMH...

 

[dshans]

Oy vey!

Ó, chun caoineadh amach os ard

Otra vez; que será, será.

Have a shot or three of tequila and get some sleep.

 

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

IMO, next to Jack, Kelly has the most secure job at ND. BK isn't keeping quiet to stay out of hot water, he's doing it because he understands it will only cause more problems.

If IU can fire Bobby Knight, ND can fire Brian Kelly. His job is never safe when it comes to speaking out.

 

[DogDaysIrish]

If IU can fire Bobby Knight, ND can fire Brian Kelly. His job is never safe when it comes to speaking out.

Yup...

 

[Rhode Irish]

At what point does Kelly say fuck it and just address this as a mishandling on the part of the University? Serious question. Same for the parents...at what point do they break and give an interview to blast the university? Just wondering...

For Kelly the answer is never. Doesn't have to do with job security or anything, it just doesn't make any sense for him to say anything. It won't make his job any easier and it won't do any good. It's also not his place to meddle in academic affairs. I think (and hope) that Kelly isn't anywhere near as fixated on this as some on this board are. It's 6% of his roster. His job is to coach the kids who have managed to keep themselves eligible.

As far as the parents, I'm kind of surprised that there hasn't been more noise. Kind of curious. Maybe it indicates that theirs sons aren't innocent victims of a witch hunt.

 

[Irish8248]

For Kelly the answer is never. Doesn't have to do with job security or anything, it just doesn't make any sense for him to say anything. It won't make his job any easier and it won't do any good. It's also not his place to meddle in academic affairs. I think (and hope) that Kelly isn't anywhere near as fixated on this as some on this board are. It's 6% of his roster. His job is to coach the kids who have managed to keep themselves eligible.

As far as the parents, I'm kind of surprised that there hasn't been more noise. Kind of curious. Maybe it indicates that theirs sons aren't innocent victims of a witch hunt.

Or they're not on Twitter and their Facebook accounts are used like typical parents; weird games and random postings. Usually we don't take note of any parent of the football program unless they're like Phil Daniels. They're silence is not persuasive one way or the other.

 

[stlnd01]

The vast majority of faculty members I encountered were exactly as you'd like them to be. The anti-football crowd is a small faction at most.

Yup. That was my experience, too. There's a slice of the faculty that's clearly above football (in my experience they also tended to be the sorts who were only on campus Tuesday through Thursday, actually lived in Chicago and would probably have rather been employed at Northwestern). But the more established types, the longtime tenured professors who are more likely running departments and sitting on honor committees, they at least get what football means at Notre Dame. I'd expect they're capable of giving a fair shake. FWIW, I was in Arts & Letters, and had football players in some of my classes. Might be different in engineering or something.

 

[stlnd01]

For Kelly the answer is never. Doesn't have to do with job security or anything, it just doesn't make any sense for him to say anything. It won't make his job any easier and it won't do any good. It's also not his place to meddle in academic affairs. I think (and hope) that Kelly isn't anywhere near as fixated on this as some on this board are. It's 6% of his roster. His job is to coach the kids who have managed to keep themselves eligible.

As far as the parents, I'm kind of surprised that there hasn't been more noise. Kind of curious. Maybe it indicates that theirs sons aren't innocent victims of a witch hunt.

Right.
There is zero upside for Kelly to make noise about this. It won't effect recruiting one bit. It won't help one bit either. All complaining does would be to make him look like an enabler like Jimbo Fisher, at a school that has far less tolerance for that sort of thing (and where he didn't just win a national title). Kelly gets the job description and what it does and doesn't entail. He also knows the media shitstorm that would ensue. He may be working behind the scenes, but he won't talk out of turn.

 

[BGIF]

At what point does Kelly say fuck it and just address this as a mishandling on the part of the University? Serious question. Same for the parents...at what point do they break and give an interview to blast the university? Just wondering...

Asked and answered by the man, himself.

In response to a reporter's baiting at a P.C. Kelly displayed the tact and wisdom an ND is supposed to have.

Kelly made a public statement about separation of church and state and that he understood HIS role is athletic and their's is academic.

You've already recognized his statement in previous posts so why keep bringing it up?

Kelly is not a part of the honesty process just as ND coaches have not been part of the Res Life process.

 

[NDhoosier]

If IU can fire Bobby Knight, ND can fire Brian Kelly. His job is never safe when it comes to speaking out.

What Bob Knight did and what Kelly is being asked to do on this thread are two very different things. Knight was a violent person, Kelly is simply speaking his mind and sticking up for his players. It was the opposite with Knight.

 

[Rhode Irish]

Or they're not on Twitter and their Facebook accounts are used like typical parents; weird games and random postings. Usually we don't take note of any parent of the football program unless they're like Phil Daniels. They're silence is not persuasive one way or the other.

What does it matter if they're on twitter? If my dad wanted to make noise about something he wouldn't create a twitter account. He'd call a reporter.

 

[johnnycando]

Guys,

We're all just frustrated here.

Some understand and side more with the process.

Some side with the players thinking they are innocent.

Bottom line: we're all Irish fans here and want to win.

Don't get at each other's throats for this guys. It's not worth it.

 

[IrishJayhawk]

For Kelly the answer is never. Doesn't have to do with job security or anything, it just doesn't make any sense for him to say anything. It won't make his job any easier and it won't do any good. It's also not his place to meddle in academic affairs. I think (and hope) that Kelly isn't anywhere near as fixated on this as some on this board are. It's 6% of his roster. His job is to coach the kids who have managed to keep themselves eligible.

As far as the parents, I'm kind of surprised that there hasn't been more noise. Kind of curious. Maybe it indicates that theirs sons aren't innocent victims of a witch hunt.

Can't be true. We decided a page or two back that the terrible, non-football-loving professors are to blame...didn't we?

EDIT: But, man, this is taking a long time. Sheesh.

 

[Rhode Irish]

Can't be true. We decided a page or two back that the terrible, non-football-loving professors are to blame...didn't we?

EDIT: But, man, this is taking a long time. Sheesh.

I do agree it's taking forever, and it's not a good look.

 

[Irish#1]

IMO, next to Jack, Kelly has the most secure job at ND. BK isn't keeping quiet to stay out of hot water, he's doing it because he understands it will only cause more problems.

Not picking on you, but if you believe that then you don't have an idea how businesses operate. You don't go behind the back of your company and its leaders and make an announcement like that. If he did that, then in the words of Sherm Sticky, "He Gone".

 

[IrishJayhawk]

I do agree it's taking forever, and it's not a good look.

True enough. It's just interesting how quickly one person's random speculation turns into the truth.

Person 1: I wonder if it's _____.
Person 2: That would make sense!
Person 3,4,5,6: I'm so frustrated that it's _____! Kelly should do something!

Grad students could write dissertations about this thread.

 

[Irish Insanity]

As far as the parents, I'm kind of surprised that there hasn't been more noise. Kind of curious. Maybe it indicates that theirs sons aren't innocent victims of a witch hunt.

Or that these are not kids involved in the situation. They are adults. All can smoke. All can serve their country. All legally of age. Some can drink. I understand the parents could be upset. But those involved are not kids.
What I don't get is why the players are raising more question. Not necessarily publicly, but to the school as students and athletes.

 

[koonja]

I checked DD to see if there's any info there and there is none. But one of the posters made a point that deserved a rep. He said a professor taking a job at ND and not liking the football team is like a person taking a job at an airport and complaining about the planes, lol.

 

[Irish#1]

For Kelly the answer is never. Doesn't have to do with job security or anything, it just doesn't make any sense for him to say anything. It won't make his job any easier and it won't do any good. It's also not his place to meddle in academic affairs. I think (and hope) that Kelly isn't anywhere near as fixated on this as some on this board are. It's 6% of his roster. His job is to coach the kids who have managed to keep themselves eligible.

As far as the parents, I'm kind of surprised that there hasn't been more noise. Kind of curious. Maybe it indicates that theirs sons aren't innocent victims of a witch hunt.

What Bob Knight did and what Kelly is being asked to do on this thread are two very different things. Knight was a violent person, Kelly is simply speaking his mind and sticking up for his players. It was the opposite with Knight.

Rhodes, I get where you're coming from, but don't kid yourself about job security. I have to believe BK has never thought about going public without approval because it could and probably would cost him his job.

NDH..........Totally agree that they are two different issues, but if BK were to speak out without approval, I have to believe the repercussions would be significant.

To anyone in general who questions why BK is pretty quiet on this. Don't lose sight of the fact that BK is married. His wife is enjoying the benefits (nicer than average home, nice cars, large savings, prestige, etc.) of his job and remembers what it was like at GVS. If this topic were to come up between them, she will remind him how nice they have it. Would BK land another job? Probably, but you can't guarantee that it will be as nice or pay as much.

It's easy to question why BK hasn't said anything, but there are always extenuating circumstances that can effect a decision.

 

[koonja]

The way I see it, BK is low on the list of people who should be making noise if there are kids who are innocent.

It goes 1) The kids involved 2) Parents of kids 3) ND students, and somewhere down the line BK.

They say your exit interview is your first interview for your next job. If BK wants to stay, he should do what he's doing. He's also looking rock solid in his handling of this for whoever he coaches for next.

 

[wizards8507]

I checked DD to see if there's any info there and there is none. But one of the posters made a point that deserved a rep. He said a professor taking a job at ND and not liking the football team is like a person taking a job at an airport and complaining about the planes, lol.

I hate it when conversations around here boil down to this, but what you just said is only true if you're exclusively a football fan and not a student or alum. Yes, football plays an important part in the past, present, and future of Notre Dame, but implying (or stating explicitly) that football at Notre Dame is as central or important as planes are to an airport misses the mark by a country mile. I'm not going to say "you don't get it unless you went there," because I think a lot of subway alums do get it, but that comment really rubs me the wrong way.

 

[koonja]

I hate it when conversations around here boil down to this, but what you just said is only true if you're exclusively a football fan and not a student or alum. Yes, football plays an important part in the past, present, and future of Notre Dame, but implying (or stating explicitly) that football at Notre Dame is as central or important as planes are to an airport misses the mark by a country mile. I'm not going to say "you don't get it unless you went there," because I think a lot of subway alums do get it, but that comment really rubs me the wrong way.

You don't think it's naive for a professor to take a job at ND while disliking football and all that comes with it? They're not going to win in their fight against football. I'm not saying they cannot be happy while being at ND, but if they're really against the football team, there's probably better fit for them. Northwestern has an under the radar football program, give them a shot.

 

[wizards8507]

You don't think it's naive for a professor to take a job at ND while disliking football and all that comes with it?

No, I don't. Football was maybe 10% of the total experience I had as a student, about on par (in terms of total impact) with the adjustment of moving 800 miles from home. For a professor, I imagine that impact could be as low as 1% if they wanted to make it so. If I were offered a 99% perfect job and the chance to do ground-breaking research, I'd deal with a 1% thing of which I wasn't a fan.

They're not going to win in their fight against football.

Maybe some other people have had a different experience than me, but I've never heard of a faculty member actively fighting against football. Even the ones who openly dislike it probably do little more than grumble about the fact that they have to deal with crazy traffic a few times a year.

I'm not saying they cannot be happy while being at ND, but if they're really against the football team, there's probably better fit for them. Northwestern has an under the radar football program, give them a shot.

I think you're hugely overestimating how much football drives Notre Dame. It's six Saturdays a year, plus three hours of television seven other weeks. Students and faculty spend much more time in class, work, the dining hall, at parties, and in church than thinking about football. Most students are FAR less "tuned in" than you or me, simply because we read and post on these boards. There's a reason Jimmymac stands out as one of the few students who posts here.

 

[Veritate Duce Progredi]

Skipped the last 8-10 pages. Coming back and reading the views:

 

[koonja]

No, I don't. Football was maybe 10% of the total experience I had as a student, about on par (in terms of total impact) with the adjustment of moving 800 miles from home. For a professor, I imagine that impact could be as low as 1% if they wanted to make it so. If I were offered a 99% perfect job and the chance to do ground-breaking research, I'd deal with a 1% thing of which I wasn't a fan.


Maybe some other people have had a different experience than me, but I've never heard of a faculty member actively fighting against football. Even the ones who openly dislike it probably do little more than grumble about the fact that they have to deal with crazy traffic a few times a year.


I think you're hugely overestimating how much football drives Notre Dame. It's six Saturdays a year, plus three hours of television seven other weeks. Students and faculty spend much more time in class, work, the dining hall, at parties, and in church than thinking about football. Most students are FAR less "tuned in" than you or me, simply because we read and post on these boards. There's a reason Jimmymac stands out as one of the few students who posts here.

I'm glad you had such an all around experience. I don't have much to say about that since I'm not an alumni, obviously.

If the professors don't go against the football team like you say, there's nothing to discuss. If that's the case, I have a flawed perception of how it is (mostly because of this whole issue at hand). If they do not like football and they make sure to raise a stink when they can, I think it's stuipid for a lack of better term. Iff this is happening, it's idiotic and unfair on their part. There's things you know and don't like about every job you take, but you get it, or at least you should, and go with the flow.

But that's not the case from what you're saying so I'm done on this issue.

 

[BobD]

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[PLACforever]

Any actual news here?

 

[wizards8507]

If the professors don't go against the football team like you say, there's nothing to discuss. If that's the case, I have a flawed perception of how it is (mostly because of this whole issue at hand). If they do not like football and they make sure to raise a stink when they can, I think it's stuipid for a lack of better term. Iff this is happening, it's idiotic and unfair on their part. There's things you know and don't like about every job you take, but you get it, or at least you should, and go with the flow.

I think we actually agree but there's just a nuance we're not connecting on. There are certainly some professors who are theoretically "against" the football team. I was simply stating that it's perfectly reasonable for those folks to take a position at the University even if they dislike or don't care about football. My objection was to your point that they shouldn't be at the school in the first place. Once they're there, however, I agree that they have an obligation to treat students with respect and not go out of there way to make things difficult for athletes. If that's what's happening, I'm right there with you in my outrage.